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Absolutely loving not. Not a single dollar. gently caress off Schumer.
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Schumer is going to agree to the 5 billion if they can name it after John McCain.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:02
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Chuck Schumer is loving terrible at every aspect of his job. What a waste.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:02
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gently caress this useless turd
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Nov 27, 2018 22:03
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Lightning Knight posted:Absolutely loving not. Not a single dollar. gently caress off Schumer. https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/1067524040255041536
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Nov 27, 2018 22:04
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Yeah I don't want to go all DEMS BAD but even if $1.6 billion isn't that much in terms of the federal budget the symbolic value of saying "gently caress off" to Trump regarding the wall is pretty important for who we should be as a nation.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:04
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The President wanted 20 death camps but we are taking a stand and saying he can only have 8.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:06
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Mind_Taker posted:Yeah I don't want to go all DEMS BAD but even if $1.6 billion isn't that much in terms of the federal budget the symbolic value of saying "gently caress off" to Trump regarding the wall is pretty important for who we should be as a nation. This guy gets it.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:06
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given that the recent wave was from anti trump sentiment thats a pretty clear guide
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Nov 27, 2018 22:06
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Bipartisan politics is agreeing to only a third of what the racist idiot wants to complete a vanity project campaign promise to other racist idiots after the country rejected his party in an unpresidented wave. It's why the smart and reasonable people subscribe to this sort of sensible and economically responsible politics.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:07
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tbh defending Schumer is way worse than defending Manchin
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Nov 27, 2018 22:08
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I just called Tammy Baldwin’s office and told them that I have canvassed for her in the last two elections and if she votes for wall funding I will never campaign for her again. Call your loving senators.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:08
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God, just imagine what we could do with 1.6 billion dollars that isn't a political stunt. E. Billions is a weird number, to recontextualize it we could take that same sum and hand $50,000 USD to every migrant that crosses the border. It would last for 32,000 people. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Nov 27, 2018 22:10
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Fortunately, it sounds like Trump might just be too stupid/evil to take Schumer's deal: https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/1067525827125014529
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Nov 27, 2018 22:10
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I think last year we were generally fine with a trivial amount of wall funding back when Trump was holding the DREAMers hostage and threatening to deport them, but now that the courts have stopped him, there doesn't seem to be a point to agreeing to the wall. If the government shuts down, Trump will get all the blame. We will probably get a supreme court ruling on DACA next summer, and if Trump is freed to make good on his threat again, maybe we can revisit the issue.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:14
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CuddleCryptid posted:God, just imagine what we could do with 1.6 billion dollars that isn't a political stunt. A politician stunt TO HELP THE OTHER PARTY.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:15
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Lightning Knight posted:I just called Tammy Baldwin’s office and told them that I have canvassed for her in the last two elections and if she votes for wall funding I will never campaign for her again. Call your loving senators. realtalk, what about (instead, hypothetically) funding for immigration judges and refugee placement workers? con: deportations would speed up pro: so would acceptances and placements, leading to kids spending less time in camps et al
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Nov 27, 2018 22:15
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I like how Corsi looked at Mueller's pocket aces, face up on the table, and still decided Mueller was bluffing. Edit: oh this is the slow thread, you guys haven't seen that yet
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Nov 27, 2018 22:15
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Definitely a possibility. Once again what's your alternative plan?
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Rigel posted:I think last year we were generally fine with a trivial amount of wall funding back when Trump was holding the DREAMers hostage and threatening to deport them, but now that the courts have stopped him, there doesn't seem to be a point to agreeing to the wall. If the government shuts down, Trump will get all the blame. We have the House now. He has to agree with what we want, not the reverse. A year ago we had no real power other than the power of obstreperousness. Now we have real power to set terms.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:18
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Of course he won't negotiate publicly, he'll just privately negotiate with the fake people living in his head.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:We have the House now. He has to agree with what we want, not the reverse. A year ago we had no real power other than the power of obstreperousness. Now we have real power to set terms. not for this shutdown fight we don't  unless it goes on until the new congress is seated (although McConnell's unwillingness to blow up the filibuster gives us-read-schumer some actual power)
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Rigel posted:I think last year we were generally fine with a trivial amount of wall funding back when Trump was holding the DREAMers hostage and threatening to deport them, but now that the courts have stopped him, there doesn't seem to be a point to agreeing to the wall. If the government shuts down, Trump will get all the blame. I was one of the people who was okay with some symbolic wall funding if it meant practical gains on immigration, but the pathetic impotency of the senate Dems over the past year has changed my attitude. There shouldn't be a nanometer of compromise on this.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:20
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There is no political or policy justification for any democrat voting for 1 dollar of funding for his stupid loving racist wall. In fact there is a mandate, based on the last election, to not vote for it.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:21
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not for this shutdown fight we don't that's the thing though -- when you know the tide is coming in, it doesn't matter so much that it isn't here yet.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:21
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:We have the House now. He has to agree with what we want, not the reverse. A year ago we had no real power other than the power of obstreperousness. Now we have real power to set terms. I'm not sure you understand what I was saying. If Trump gets a favorable ruling on DACA, then he won't need the house's permission to deport kids into countries where they don't speak the language. He would then have the ability to hold them hostage for wall money. Right now it doesn't make sense to give him anything while the courts are blocking him, but if Trump has a gun to the head of DREAMers, then things could change, just like we were reluctantly talking ourselves into wasting some money on the wall last year to save DREAMers. (Trump needed Dem votes because there were too many Republicans balking at wasting money on the wall who didn't care about the kids)
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GreyjoyBastard posted:not for this shutdown fight we don't can't wait for several more months of short term extension bills!
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Nov 27, 2018 22:22
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Lightning Knight posted:I just called Tammy Baldwin’s office and told them that I have canvassed for her in the last two elections and if she votes for wall funding I will never campaign for her again. Call your loving senators. My senators are Mike Enzi (WY-R) and John Barrasso (WY-R) 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:We have the House now. ...In a month and some change. There is still time to pass wall funding in the lame duck. E:FB
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iirc that 1.6b "wall funding" is actually funding to repair and maintain existing fences and is specifically prohibited from being used for "the wall"
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Star Man posted:My senators are Mike Enzi (WY-R) and John Barrasso (WY-R)  Also I was not ok with wall funding as a compromise last year and I’m still not ok with it this year. Democrats capitulating on the wall after winning the House is pissing in the face of everybody who worked to get them elected.
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evilweasel posted:iirc that 1.6b "wall funding" is actually funding to repair and maintain existing fences and is specifically prohibited from being used for "the wall" That's not any better
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evilweasel posted:iirc that 1.6b "wall funding" is actually funding to repair and maintain existing fences and is specifically prohibited from being used for "the wall" yeah, same
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After that midterm how loving stupid or craven do you have to be to do this? I'm constantly amazed by the depths these people will stoop to
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Star Man posted:My senators are Mike Enzi (WY-R) and John Barrasso (WY-R) No offense but your state is bullshit and that fact that your state and mine both have 2 Senators is even more bullshit. Have a good day.
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Nov 27, 2018 22:25
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If I wasn't sure I'd be deported for it I'd be writing a letter to Mr Schumer right now.
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Lightning Knight posted:
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Mind_Taker posted:Yeah I don't want to go all DEMS BAD but even if $1.6 billion isn't that much in terms of the federal budget the symbolic value of saying "gently caress off" to Trump regarding the wall is pretty important for who we should be as a nation. It really depends on what the Democrats get for compromising on that. I mean part of it will be to make sure that government employees and those who depend on government payments and services for survival aren't left hanging out to dry, but he should be securing more in order to justify giving them their symbolic victory. The problem is that it's Schumer so he'll probably get gently caress all for it.
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Help Im Alive posted:Melania's hell christmases are probably the most likable thing about her For real. For all the jokes I made about those displays they're legitimately cool looking in that way that'd make you stop and go "What the heck?". The idea that the first lady is setting up nightmarish trees in the White House that look like someone shaped congealed gore/meat is uh...Not so much comforting. But yeah. Props for the kick rear end goth christmas decorations.
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anime was right posted:half this thread is complicit for nazi-tier crimes. retire. ban yourselves. anime was right posted:anyone who defended manchin itt is a pro-rape pro-nazi piece of poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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