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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do?
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Nov 28, 2018 17:49
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Somewhere there's a Tomahawk nearing its 'best before' date that is the answer to your question. I feel like this would go badly and we shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders, even really lovely ones.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:50
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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do? This is a genuine question, I assume the answer is “stop all weapons sales and maybe also sanctions” but I see a lot of leftist argumentation against sanctions as a tool and it’s not clear to me why. I know it has something to do with them being ineffective? Or maybe targeting the poor? I see a lot of reference to Iraq in the 90s. the general argument is "outside of stuff focused extremely specifically on individual rich assholes, punitive sanctions against a state generally hurt the innocent people there more than the rich powerful assholes" which is actually why i moooooostly like the current structure of sanctions on the Venezuelan leadership we could totally use the rich-rear end in a top hat part of that as inspiration, or, you know, the Magnitsky Act we might be able to LITERALLY use the Magnitsky Act, I don't remember the trigger conditions
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Nov 28, 2018 17:50
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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do? This is a genuine question, I assume the answer is “stop all weapons sales and maybe also sanctions” but I see a lot of leftist argumentation against sanctions as a tool and it’s not clear to me why. I know it has something to do with them being ineffective? Or maybe targeting the poor? I see a lot of reference to Iraq in the 90s. when you come right down to it, the argument advanced by Trump and Pompeo is identical to that of the currently existing DC foreign policy blob, just put a little more crudely than they'd prefer. due to the United States' serious interests in the middle east, it is necessary for us to continue our unconditional support of the guys who brought you 9/11. there is no amount of blood they could shed that would get us to reconsider. the immediate proscription, of course, is to cut off arms sales. might even be able to sneak that by a few of the blob's acolytes with "this is just reminding them who wears the pants in this relationship." but that's part of the longer-term project to ask the question "what are the interests, precisely, that require us to sign off on a theocratic monarchy's reign of bloody terror. whose interests are these, and who profits through our pursuit of them." these are questions that the blob does not wish asked, because the blob is by and large wholly owned and operated by Saudi dark money
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Nov 28, 2018 17:53
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Lightning Knight posted:I feel like this would go badly and we shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders, even really lovely ones. Did they say Tomahawk? They meant "Independent Unidentified Off-Brand missile from an unknown source"
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Nov 28, 2018 17:53
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/nwadhams/status/1067812954383503360 According to twitter, the GOP was not happy with his op-ed at all, saying it landed like a lead balloon. They seem to be serious about punishing Saudi Arabia in some way. If thats the case, we may end up with veto-proof sanctions like those Russia sanctions which Trump will also illegally refuse to implement.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:53
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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1067633221578514432
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Nov 28, 2018 17:54
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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do? This is a genuine question, I assume the answer is “stop all weapons sales and maybe also sanctions” but I see a lot of leftist argumentation against sanctions as a tool and it’s not clear to me why. I know it has something to do with them being ineffective? Or maybe targeting the poor? I see a lot of reference to Iraq in the 90s. Sanctions definitely 'work' in that they can drive the target country into ruin but the fuckers in charge aren't going to be that materially impacted by it, since they'll just steal even more from their own people to make up for whatever part of the sanctions targets them specifically instead of the country. Not selling them weapons would be a great start. If Trump hadn't re-hosed things up with Iran we could start making noise that maybe we like them more than the Saudis now.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:54
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Did they say Tomahawk? They meant "Independent Unidentified Off-Brand missile from an unknown source" I Can’t Believe It’s Not Tomahawk! Also thank you for the answers everyone.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:54
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I mean definitely stop selling them weapons which we need to do anyway. I've long been of the opinion that we shouldn't export any military hardware more advanced than prop driven biplanes and muskets.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:54
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Nov 28, 2018 17:55
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Is there a thread or book to blue-pill myself on globalization and open borders? Or at least what a successful immigration policy looks like? Because right now I can't shake the idea that it's probably a good thing to get a head count of everyone coming and going into the country
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Nov 28, 2018 17:55
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Lightning Knight posted:I Can’t Believe It’s Not Tomahawk! Blue Bomb-it
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Nov 28, 2018 17:55
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Lightning Knight posted:I feel like this would go badly and we shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders, even really lovely ones. Edit: Although I approve of taking a page from Putin's book. "Not us. Missile was on vacation " Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Nov 28, 2018 17:55
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:but that's part of the longer-term project to ask the question "what are the interests, precisely, that require us to sign off on a theocratic monarchy's reign of bloody terror. whose interests are these, and who profits through our pursuit of them." america is currently extremely reliant on saudi cheap oil. until we move away from that they're always going to have leverage. you'd think the 70s oil shocks would have been wake up calls, but nah.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:56
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I respectfully disagree. It is only right and proper that assholes should explode. another derail about your cooking? jeez
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Nov 28, 2018 17:57
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Stexils posted:america is currently extremely reliant on saudi cheap oil. until we move away from that they're always going to have leverage. you'd think the 70s oil shocks would have been wake up calls, but nah. I see this as a feature, not a bug. Do you remember the aftermath of Katrina, where gas started approaching 6 or 7 bucks a gallon and EVERYONE was talking about alternative energy sources? At the time it felt like as soon as that hit the mainstream, gas prices plummeted again and everyone stopped talking about it. Cutting Saudi Arabia off would be painful but it's the exact type of tough weaning we need.
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Nov 28, 2018 17:59
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GreyjoyBastard posted:another derail about your cooking? jeez
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Nov 28, 2018 17:59
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Dr Christmas posted:What if Pizzagate abd Qanon are real, and the reason Donald Trump has them figured it is that he spent decades trying to get in, only to be rejected because he's so personally unpleasant? I seem to remember reading some article back when Trump was running in the primary about his crazy coke parties in New York in the 80s where underage girls were present. I also have a really certain feeling that Russia has Trump on tape raping kids. If it were just prostitutes I don't think he'd be so utterly terrified of Putin, and if it's just dirty mob money propping up his decrepit real estate empire well I don't buy that that would explain his fear either. It's gotta be kids.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:02
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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do? This is a genuine question, I assume the answer is “stop all weapons sales and maybe also sanctions” but I see a lot of leftist argumentation against sanctions as a tool and it’s not clear to me why. I know it has something to do with them being ineffective? Or maybe targeting the poor? I see a lot of reference to Iraq in the 90s. for Saudi Arabia. id go sanctions against MBS and his top supporters, freeze their accounts/etc and halt the arm sales. Rigel posted:According to twitter, the GOP was not happy with his op-ed at all, saying it landed like a lead balloon. They seem to be serious about punishing Saudi Arabia in some way. If thats the case, we may end up with veto-proof sanctions like those Russia sanctions which Trump will also illegally refuse to implement. yeah the GOP old breeds never really liked saudi arabia, they know they cause most of Wahabi issues in the middle east and that they are human rights hell hole, its also because much like trump, they have been doing the quiet stuff very loving loud. The GOP would be fine tossing kasshogi under the bus if it was done with "tact" but trump and plumpio have made that impossible.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:03
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I respectfully disagree. It is only right and proper that assholes should explode. I just think if we’re going to be anti-intervention we should be consistent about it. Lotta lovely world leaders might deserve to be Tomahawked but the US certainly shouldn’t be making that call imo.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:04
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Blitz7x posted:Is there a thread or book to blue-pill myself on globalization and open borders? Or at least what a successful immigration policy looks like? Because right now I can't shake the idea that it's probably a good thing to get a head count of everyone coming and going into the country I feel like it's totally reasonable for a country to want to account for the coming and going of people across their borders. The problems arise with people who want to make that coming and going unnecessarily restrictive.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:05
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Stexils posted:america is currently extremely reliant on saudi cheap oil. until we move away from that they're always going to have leverage. you'd think the 70s oil shocks would have been wake up calls, but nah. The US economy is way less reliant on oil today than in the 1970s
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Nov 28, 2018 18:06
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Lightning Knight posted:I just think if we’re going to be anti-intervention we should be consistent about it. Lotta lovely world leaders might deserve to be Tomahawked but the US certainly shouldn’t be making that call imo. also it usually makes things worse. if a leader gets assassinated the go-to person who will fill the vacancy is a military leader.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:07
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Feinne posted:I feel like it's totally reasonable for a country to want to account for the coming and going of people across their borders. The problems arise with people who want to make that coming and going unnecessarily restrictive. I posted an article about this but if you read the work of Brianna Rennix (I may be spelling her name wrong, my apologies I’m phone posting) for Current Affairs she has written awesome stuff on moral immigration policy for the left.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:07
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Typo posted:The US economy is way less reliant on oil today than in the 1970s The economy yes, but for plutocrats its still part and parcel of hegemonic control.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:07
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Stexils posted:america is currently extremely reliant on saudi cheap oil. until we move away from that they're always going to have leverage. you'd think the 70s oil shocks would have been wake up calls, but nah. I don't believe this is as true as it used to be. The US has plenty of oil and natural gas, it's just not cost effective if SA drops their prices to 20 bucks a bbl
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Nov 28, 2018 18:08
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How are u posted:I seem to remember reading some article back when Trump was running in the primary about his crazy coke parties in New York in the 80s where underage girls were present. I actually don't think so. I don't get the impression Trump actually likes sex, given the weird poo poo we've heard from Stormy and other sources. I think it's his Russian mob ties from the 80s. I think he's a giant loving idiot who never expected to win and only ran to get his dumb TV empire off the ground. He's now in this position where his every move is scrutinized, and the poo poo he did in the 80s that he thought he was free and clear on are now possibly going to land him in jail for the rest of his life.All because he accidentally won
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Nov 28, 2018 18:08
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More votes than a presidential election and the senate is 47-53. Abolish it.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:08
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Lightning Knight posted:I just think if we’re going to be anti-intervention we should be consistent about it. Lotta lovely world leaders might deserve to be Tomahawked but the US certainly shouldn’t be making that call imo.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:09
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Lightning Knight posted:What exactly should we do? This is a genuine question, I assume the answer is “stop all weapons sales and maybe also sanctions” but I see a lot of leftist argumentation against sanctions as a tool and it’s not clear to me why. I know it has something to do with them being ineffective? Or maybe targeting the poor? I see a lot of reference to Iraq in the 90s. There's a pretty large body of study on sanctions, their efficacy, how they affect different populations, etc., and if I recall correctly from a class I took on them waaay back as an undergrad when I was all over the place changing majors, yeah, they're basically only good for domestic optics. You're doing something, even if they really don't have much effect, or at very least not the intended one, though the average person wouldn't know that, so you skate on. e:I recall this being the book we used in that class
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Nov 28, 2018 18:09
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Why not? They deserve missiles, we got extra missiles. gently caress 'em. Do you think we should Tomahawk Assad and Kim? That’s a slippery slope man. We would just be destabilizing these countries for no real gain since some lovely general will just take over.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:10
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Why not? They deserve missiles, we got extra missiles. gently caress 'em. Dumping missiles without a plan to help rebuild is a large part of why our standing in the world is where it is
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Nov 28, 2018 18:10
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Why not? They deserve missiles, we got extra missiles. gently caress 'em. Because what the world needs is definitely more bloodshed, civil wars, and power vacuums right? And we don't have extra missiles, we actually have a shortage of missiles because we already like to bomb brown people too much.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:12
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Lightning Knight posted:Do you think we should Tomahawk Assad and Kim? That’s a slippery slope man. We would just be destabilizing these countries for no real gain since some lovely general will just take over. But then the lovely general will know we'll just tomahawk them if they get outta line, it's the perfect plan 
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Nov 28, 2018 18:13
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:But then the lovely general will know we'll just tomahawk them if they get outta line, it's the perfect plan The Darth Vader school of international relations.
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Nov 28, 2018 18:14
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Flake gon' Flake https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1067828927379513350?s=19
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Nov 28, 2018 18:14
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cr0y posted:Flake gon' Flake gently caress him, he pulled that poo poo theater on Kavanaugh and didn't follow through
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Nov 28, 2018 18:15
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Nonsense posted:More votes than a presidential election and the senate is 47-53. Abolish it.  Normal country. Republicans got a smaller percentage of the vote than Walter Mondale.
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