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The Glumslinger posted:The first one is hilarious, yeah, get 290 people to cosponsor a bill, lol eh, theoretically, you could have 200 republicans + 90 blue dog democrats sponsoring something that the speaker didn't want, but yeah that seems unlikely. I just hate the "problem solvers caucus" on principle though, the way to solve problems is to be more socialist https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1066425004940767232
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The Glumslinger posted:The only thing in there that looks bad is changhe to amendment process, but the language is so vague its hard to say anything. The discharge petition change doesn't make them any easier to pull off, just removes the byzantine scheduling. The first one is hilarious, yeah, get 290 people to cosponsor a bill, lol Until it gets used to ram through the TCBBA (Tax Cuts and Blowjobs for Bankers Act) Or probably more relevant to the conversation, the gently caress You We Are Selling Arms to Saudi Arabia and Starving the gently caress Out Of Yemen Act
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Willa Rogers posted:What's the rationale behind having an outgoing House elect leadership for the incoming House? Is it tradition, or something else? Is the new Congress unable to have another leadership contest if they were so inclined?
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Willa Rogers posted:What's the rationale behind having an outgoing House elect leadership for the incoming House? Is it tradition, or something else? it's not the outgoing house, its the presumed members elect for next Congress
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Rigel posted:nah, its fine. He is not earnestly saying "I'm fine with building the wall, its just too expensive, we can't afford it, but if Mexico will pay for it, then that would be swell." Yeah no poo poo. How could anyone read that tweet and legitimately believe that he seriously wants to pursue forcing Mexico to pay for a wall?
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:Nobody can find him, apparently? future posting but he already voted yes(maybe? I have name blindness with peeps that arent from my state) but this wouldnt happen if my cybrpunk idea of GPL and a/v implants were a thing.
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"The first step in avoiding a trap is knowing of its existence" - Thufir Hawat "I think I'll open-palm slap my dick directly into this industrial-sized rattrap" - Paul Manafort "I hire the best people" - A piss colored golem
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Willa Rogers posted:What's the rationale behind having an outgoing House elect leadership for the incoming House? Is it tradition, or something else? I was more influenced by Symone Sanders to be honest. Just mentioning the progressive punch stuff for info. As I said though they also rate Pelosi an A and I wouldn't give her that.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I am making an argument to principle here I suppose. I don't think that kind of snide attack is very effective to people who aren't already politically engaged, and it's morally dubious. I would prefer they did a different message. But I suppose I have no empirical evidence for my position so I will let it go. IMO, the proper response to Israel is withdrawing US financial and political support for Israel, removing the laws and policies preventing people from voluntarily boycotting Israel, ramping up financial and political aid to the Palestinians, and threatening to publicly reveal Israel's nuclear program. There's a lot of actions that can be taken without having to engage in outright collective punishment.
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The one that I'm most suspicious of is making a motion to vacate the chair privileged if coming from a major party. Seems like that could be abused by the GOP as a time-waster.
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exploded mummy posted:it's not the outgoing house, its the presumed members elect for next Congress So AOC and the other newbies participated in the vote?
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Ague Proof posted:It's an unconventional approach to fighting back against a mass shooter, but it's something Oakland University is willing to try. Faculty at school will soon be armed with hockey pucks. This feels like a bad late night comedian trying to make a joke about Canada then swapping in Oakland.
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Willa Rogers posted:So AOC and the other newbies participated in the vote? Yes
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:eh, theoretically, you could have 200 republicans + 90 blue dog democrats sponsoring something that the speaker didn't want, but yeah that seems unlikely. The problem solvers caucus is solving the problem of human existence by getting us all killed. Anyway, the Lee/Jeffries thing bothers me because even if the caucus chair position is primarily symbolic, even if, the continued desire of Dems to mediate a more progressive possibility with a corporate friendly face (Hilary/Bernie, Perez/Ellison, and now this) speaks poorly to their ability to react to the extreme necessity of quick, rapid movement to the left if we are to affect any real change for the future. We just don't have a lot of time to gently caress around.
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Shifty Pony posted:The one that I'm most suspicious of is making a motion to vacate the chair privileged if coming from a major party. Seems like that could be abused by the GOP as a time-waster. It gives the Blue Dogs an easy mechanism to try to boot out Pelosi or wring even more concessions out of her in round 2
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:eh, theoretically, you could have 200 republicans + 90 blue dog democrats sponsoring something that the speaker didn't want, but yeah that seems unlikely. yeah nothing here looks at all significant. the highlights seem to be: #1, which is basically meaningless because 290 means every republican + 90 democrats, which is vastly more than just the conservative dems alone. bills that are that popular don't actually have a lot of problems making it to the floor and #5, which is explicitly a reform that people wanted because the Freedom Caucus was constantly threatening Paul Ryan with a procedural trick that would let them force a vote on whether he stays speaker, even though they only had a couple dozen votes for it. also lol 6-9 are 'commitments' that are meaningless because they are not actually set in stone
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Main Paineframe posted:IMO, the proper response to Israel is withdrawing US financial and political support for Israel, removing the laws and policies preventing people from voluntarily boycotting Israel, ramping up financial and political aid to the Palestinians, and threatening to publicly reveal Israel's nuclear program. There's a lot of actions that can be taken without having to engage in outright collective punishment. So do you think BDS is wrong to call for sanctions? I am honestly intrigued and I have not considered this idea before.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Jesus Christ, the simulation really is breaking down
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Lightning Knight posted:You don't have to explain neocolonialsm to say "Trump's wall is stupid and bad, and we don't need to build it when we could spend that money on making people's lives better here." Now you've got more problems! You're tacitly promising to spend that money on some other program like the Brexit campaign with NHS. You're also making some people think "Uh, actually I think the wall would make my life better?!" Just point out that the man in charge is a clown - much easier. e: actually that other thing probably wasn't worth responding to Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Nov 28, 2018 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Who was Caucus Chair the last time Dems held the House 8 years ago? John Larson from Conneticut (2009-2013), and then Rahm Emmanueul before that (ugh) (2007-2009)
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Feldegast42 posted:Until it gets used to ram through the TCBBA (Tax Cuts and Blowjobs for Bankers Act) These are terrible acronyms, they don't even spell anything. I would go with something like the GETAHEAD (Giving Earners Tax Affordability and Hot Easy Action for their Dicks) Act. And that Problem Solvers (what an awful name) compromise is a whole lot of nothing, but we'll have to see if it actually results in anything. The language looks to have been written vague and nonbinding so everyone can say they won.
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Feldegast42 posted:It gives the Blue Dogs an easy mechanism to try to boot out Pelosi or wring even more concessions out of her in round 2 it's literally the reverse of what you're saying. currently ANY single member can immediately force a vote to 'vacate the chair' - this removes that option and instead requires it to be from a majority of either party (the democrats call theirs a caucus, the republicans a conference)
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eke out posted:yeah nothing here looks at all significant. the highlights seem to be: I think that this clause is actually really significant because it will allow congress to continue passing the really vile bipartisan crap. Even if someone further left than Pelosi gets the chair they won't be able to stop the centrists from defecting and passing funding for ICE or continuing the war in Yemen or deregulating the banks even more eke out posted:it's literally the reverse of what you're saying. Got it, I spoke too soon on that. Still worried about #1 though
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Willa Rogers posted:So AOC and the other newbies participated in the vote? yes, there were about 236 votes, 40 more than the outgoing Congress
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Main Paineframe posted:IMO, the proper response to Israel is withdrawing US financial and political support for Israel, removing the laws and policies preventing people from voluntarily boycotting Israel, ramping up financial and political aid to the Palestinians, and threatening to publicly reveal Israel's nuclear program. There's a lot of actions that can be taken without having to engage in outright collective punishment. I agree with this post, but LMAO if you think the nuclear program is some sort of secret or that Israel would suffer if the US "revealed" it.
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Guze posted:Because it's a blood soaked bone saw my dude https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1067863388200599555 Wow this is embarrassing for Mattis
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Munkeymon posted:Now you've got more problems! You're tacitly promising to spend that money on some other program like the Brexit campaign with NHS. You're also making some people think "Uh, actually I think the wall would make my life better?!" I mean ok, fair, but then they could just say the wall is bad, immoral, horrible for the environment, and won't solve any problems. It is a monument to Trump's racism. I want to see Democrats campaign on that, because the wall is unpopular and it would be a compelling message. I want to be able to tell Latino people who are worse off than I am that yeah, the Democrats are gonna stand up for you and defend you. The way that attack plays out, I don't feel like it is compelling in the same way. It's an argument of ethics and rhetoric, so I concede that this is entirely a matter of opinion and I can't prove what I believe here.
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Groovelord Neato posted:love these dudes torching their reputations and legacies for the dumbest man in the world. You know that whole tape is gonna get all the way out too
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I would have preferred Lee but I’m not sure how important the Caucus Chair really is for a Dem House within a Republican controlled government that will block literally anything from being passed. The next two years is all about holding down the fort, making Trump as much of a lame duck as possible, and integrating all of the new young and progressive blood into the government so that when 2020 rolls around and the Dems presumably take back control of the Presidency and hopefully Senate there will be a changing of the guard. I highly doubt Pelosi stays on as Speaker after the next 2 years for instance.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I agree with this post, but LMAO if you think the nuclear program is some sort of secret or that Israel would suffer if the US "revealed" it. I mean if we did this, wouldn't that potentially result in international sanction since they're in violation of nuclear proliferation treaties?
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mcmagic posted:All the Republicans plus the blue dogs is close to 290. Anything that empowers republicans is bad. You think that there are 90 Blue Dogs in the House?
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean ok, fair, but then they could just say the wall is bad, immoral, horrible for the environment, and won't solve any problems. It is a monument to Trump's racism. I want to see Democrats campaign on that, because the wall is unpopular and it would be a compelling message. I want to be able to tell Latino people who are worse off than I am that yeah, the Democrats are gonna stand up for you and defend you. The way that attack plays out, I don't feel like it is compelling in the same way. It's an argument of ethics and rhetoric, so I concede that this is entirely a matter of opinion and I can't prove what I believe here. Calling it that instead of "the wall" all the time sounds like a fun tactic, actually.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I'm sorry, but are you arguing that sanctions helped get Donald Trump elected and that's proof that they work? Yes. People who are hurt by sanctions are going to retaliate. You don't spend money trying to get "nothing" back. So the fact that they put time and effort in trying to get these sanctions lifted proves that they were having the desired effect of hurting some people with power, because they used that power to respond. The failure wasn't in the sanctions but in American security. We were particularly vulnerable to a counter attack. And that's the problem, any time you try an punish an equal or a near equal they are going to hit back, because frequently they don't agree with your interpretation of justice. Anything we do in response to actions like the Khashoggi murder is going to have repercussions because the people we are acting against have real power and will respond to us. If they don't then our sanctions are entirely for show.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:I agree with this post, but LMAO if you think the nuclear program is some sort of secret or that Israel would suffer if the US "revealed" it. I believe acknowledging the elephant in the room triggers a whole fuckton of mandatory sanctions because Israel isn't a non-proliferation-treaty member.
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PhazonLink posted:future posting but he already voted yes(maybe? I have name blindness with peeps that arent from my state) but this wouldnt happen if my cybrpunk idea of GPL and a/v implants were a thing. I mean, he doesn't say that, but I assume he's thinking it.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/1067863388200599555 he doesn't know how to loving lie and now he is being scooted out by pissbrain to lie about poo poo.
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Ague Proof posted:It's an unconventional approach to fighting back against a mass shooter, but it's something Oakland University is willing to try. Faculty at school will soon be armed with hockey pucks. Puck chuckin 101
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