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PoopShipDestroyer
Jan 13, 2006

I think he's ready for a chair

He was just protecting himself from the antifa super soldiers planned beheadings

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Giggy
Jan 22, 2010

Rigel posted:

The number of people who will seriously believe that is extremely small.

We could avoid the problem entirety by agreeing that Democrats trying to score political wins by trolling the president on not getting Mexico to pay for the wall fundamentally frames the problem the wrong way and appeals to voters who want the wall and will vote Republican anyway....

E: while needlesly disengaging leftists who are already critical of the Democratic party's policy and messaging positions on many other issues.

Giggy fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 28, 2018

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Ague Proof posted:

I'm looking forward to his forced resignation humiliation. He's lasted too long.

Don't bet on it, he's good at keeping his head down when it comes to Trump's attention, and Trump likes military men because they remind him of daddy.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Slowpoke! posted:

Avenatti really imploded quickly. A few months ago he was considering a run in 2020.

that reminds me i should check on the Avenatti Will Be President toxx thread

and be very careful which thread i am posting in

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Good. Good, good, good. Good. I will never, ever forget how many people were so, so ready to start lionizing this scumbag and how I never fell for it, not even once. It's my turn to be smug, baby.

Burn in hell, Mike.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

ZobarStyl posted:

These are not mutually exclusive. Trump just committed a whole slew of new felonies with those submitted answers, he'll have to follow that up with an in-person interview for this and all his Cohen felonies at some point between today and January 2021. It's loving funny as hell to me that anyone thinks that the Mueller report is close to being done when Trump commits fresh crimes daily. His standard morning of tweets contains at least 3 indictable acts of obstruction of justice and he lies to the FBI each time they interact. Between the ongoing criminality of installing Whitaker to the joint defense agreement with Manafort, Mueller has his hands full all the way until the Dem House is seated and he can just dump everything in the respective committees' laps. Get ready for the weirdest loving winter in politics since the 70's.

My god I think you've figured out Trump's actual defense strategy. Just continue to commit crimes so that Mueller can never complete his investigation.

Rigel
Nov 11, 2016

Giggy posted:

We could avoid the problem entirety by agreeing that Democrats trying to score political wins by trolling the president on not getting Mexico to pay for the wall fundamentally frames the problem the wrong way and appeals to voters who want the wall and will vote Republican anyway....

E: while needlesly disengaging leftists who are already critical of the Democratic party's policy and messaging positions on many other issues.

This response is also for the guy who asked "to what end?" a few pages back.

This is not really aimed at Trump's base, or Dems, or the mythical Never Trump Republicans. It is aimed at the dumb middle, and they will smile, nod, and eat this kind of burn up.

There is no downside whatsoever, since there's almost no one in the party dumb enough to actually believe we want the wall if Mexico would pay for it.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



God the Epstein story is bonkers. It alleges that the Feds may have given a serial rapist a slap on the wrist to protect some of Epstein’s powerful friends, and also so that he would testify in the prosecution of some Wall Street people in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. In addition, the ‘punishment’ he received was 18 months in county jail where he could go for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to a cushy office as ‘work release’. This doesn’t even get into the fact that the victims were never notified of the plea deal and only learned after the fact.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
It's been widely reported that Mueller doesn't believe he can indict a sitting President...

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


FlamingLiberal posted:

God the Epstein story is bonkers. It alleges that the Feds may have given a serial rapist a slap on the wrist to protect some of Epstein’s powerful friends, and also so that he would testify in the prosecution of some Wall Street people in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. In addition, the ‘punishment’ he received was 18 months in county jail where he could go for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to a cushy office as ‘work release’. This doesn’t even get into the fact that the victims were never notified of the plea deal and only learned after the fact.

AND the guys he gave testimony against were acquitted.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Going through the picture about half of the long rifles aren't CA compliant so he's going away on gun charges for a long long time.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

FlamingLiberal posted:

God the Epstein story is bonkers. It alleges that the Feds may have given a serial rapist a slap on the wrist to protect some of Epstein’s powerful friends, and also so that he would testify in the prosecution of some Wall Street people in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. In addition, the ‘punishment’ he received was 18 months in county jail where he could go for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to a cushy office as ‘work release’. This doesn’t even get into the fact that the victims were never notified of the plea deal and only learned after the fact.

Call me a jaded motherfucker but it's not bonkers to me at all. The billionaire class has left the rest of us behind, and the laws of a particular country, city, county or state just are not big enough to apply to them or have any sort of teeth at all. When you can literally buy and sell the legal body charged with punishing you, it ceases to be able to punish you. The next one of these uber-rich assholes to ever be punished for anything they do will be the first. This is just the reality now.

mcmagic posted:

It's been widely reported that Mueller doesn't believe he can indict a sitting President...

To wit, this too. I was laughed at months ago for a friend of mine's theory: that even if there are crimes Mueller has evidence of, the ones against Trump himself will never see the light of day. Call me a loving Mueller skeptic. He's a Republican and they're all fash-adjacent at best. Nothing will come of it besides some of his lackeys going to jail or getting pardoned.

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



FlamingLiberal posted:

God the Epstein story is bonkers. It alleges that the Feds may have given a serial rapist a slap on the wrist to protect some of Epstein’s powerful friends, and also so that he would testify in the prosecution of some Wall Street people in the aftermath of the 2008 crash. In addition, the ‘punishment’ he received was 18 months in county jail where he could go for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week to a cushy office as ‘work release’. This doesn’t even get into the fact that the victims were never notified of the plea deal and only learned after the fact.

alleges is honestly too tentative, like all that poo poo is proven facts

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


~leaving on a jet plane don't put my name in the flight record~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_aJnf1Ntx8

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
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mcmagic posted:

It's been widely reported that Mueller doesn't believe he can indict a sitting President...

Ah, so we have finally figured out the reason trump uses a golf cart to get around while everyone else walks.

Giggy
Jan 22, 2010

Rigel posted:

This response is also for the guy who asked "to what end?" a few pages back.

This is not really aimed at Trump's base, or Dems, or the mythical Never Trump Republicans. It is aimed at the dumb middle, and they will smile, nod, and eat this kind of burn up.

There is no downside whatsoever, since there's almost no one in the party dumb enough to actually believe we want the wall if Mexico would pay for it.

We're trying to win over the dumb middle. No one in our party is dumb enough...

I don't think Democrats want the wall. I do think a lot of Democrats don't care about the wall and will build one if it means they win. I also think a lot of Democrats don't want a wall but don't understand how their language can normalize the idea.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Party Plane Jones posted:

Going through the picture about half of the long rifles aren't CA compliant so he's going away on gun charges for a long long time.
Can't show up to RAHOWA with a CA compliant AK. The other Nazis would laugh at you.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!
Hakeem Jeffries sucks.

https://twitter.com/kgosztola/status/1067901987415576583

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

VH4Ever posted:

Good. Good, good, good. Good. I will never, ever forget how many people were so, so ready to start lionizing this scumbag and how I never fell for it, not even once. It's my turn to be smug, baby.

Burn in hell, Mike.

It still kind of blows my mind that there was a time when I was getting in arguments with people that no, backing the scummy conman is NOT a valid plan to counter the other scummy conman because both scummy conman will con you.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

Party Plane Jones posted:

Going through the picture about half of the long rifles aren't CA compliant so he's going away on gun charges for a long long time.

If only he was rich enough, those laws wouldn't apply to him.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

STAC Goat posted:

It still kind of blows my mind that there was a time when I was getting in arguments with people that no, backing the scummy conman is NOT a valid plan to counter the other scummy conman because both scummy conman will con you.

SERIOUSLY. I remember that too, and y'all ITT here who did this poo poo know who you are. I haven't forgotten either. I'm not going to go on and on about this but, for my friend here and I: it was stupid then, and it looks even stupider now. A con man is a con man, to be avoided at all costs.

Unzip and Attack
Mar 3, 2008

USPOL May

mcmagic posted:

It's been widely reported that Mueller doesn't believe he can indict a sitting President...

It would be so cathartic if Mueller just drags this poo poo out another 2 years so he can indict Trump the day after he leaves office.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.

VH4Ever posted:

SERIOUSLY. I remember that too, and y'all ITT here who did this poo poo know who you are. I haven't forgotten either. I'm not going to go on and on about this but, for my friend here and I: it was stupid then, and it looks even stupider now. A con man is a con man, to be avoided at all costs.

Yup. I was all about "Let them fight" but in terms of actually giving support or even worse--cash to that guy? It's like leftwing Goldline.

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Giggy posted:

We're trying to win over the dumb middle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfR3ZbU-oYM

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

Rigel posted:

The number of people who will seriously believe that is extremely small.

I believe it. In fact, I seriously doubt most Senate Democrats have a problem with the wall on an ideological level. Schumer literally voted for the wall in 2006 and he's their leader lmao

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
:siren: HELLO USPOL :siren:

I have created a thread about Socialism in the United States, historical and present

You can find it here:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3875680

That is all.

This doesn't mean you are precluded from discussing socialism here as it is germane to current US politics.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

mcmagic posted:

It's been widely reported that Mueller doesn't believe he can indict a sitting President...

It's actually a reasonable belief, because there is a constitutional process that is defined for dealing with a criminal President. Impeachment, and that's a political process that requires political will and public support.

The way the Republican base is, it wouldn't matter if Mueller had a video of Trump and Putin watching a PowerPoint presentation detailing the plot ending with both of them saying "wonderful plan let's go commit some crimes"

The end game is make the Republicans try to defend that crap to the part of the electorate who isn't a movement conservative and hope that there are enough of us to deliver a resounding rebuke to such obviously corrupt behavior.

Honestly the only way I see him vacating the office any earlier than January 2021 is if he dies or becomes incapacitated.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Skex posted:

It's actually a reasonable belief, because there is a constitutional process that is defined for dealing with a criminal President. Impeachment, and that's a political process that requires political will and public support.

The way the Republican base is, it wouldn't matter if Mueller had a video of Trump and Putin watching a PowerPoint presentation detailing the plot ending with both of them saying "wonderful plan let's go commit some crimes"

The end game is make the Republicans try to defend that crap to the part of the electorate who isn't a movement conservative and hope that there are enough of us to deliver a resounding rebuke to such obviously corrupt behavior.

Honestly the only way I see him vacating the office any earlier than January 2021 is if he dies or becomes incapacitated.

IMO come the first of next year we need to just stop covering every piece of minutia of the Mueller probe and push it all to the backs of our minds and into the back pages of the newspaper and stop covering it endlessly on cable. The primary thing we should be covering and gnawing over as a society and a country, loathe as we are to start this poo poo so early, is how we unseat this motherfucker in 2020 using the normal electoral process, plus how we obstruct him until then. We need to get this right, it's too important. Hoping that Mueller would save us depended on the GOP having morals or scruples and we know now they do not. Time to leave this fairy tale of Mueller taking care of this problem somehow in the past with the stupid #Resist poo poo and focus on what really matters: obstructing him using the new Dem majority in the short term, and whooping his Big Mac eating rear end at the polls in 2020. If we miss the mark, kiss this country goodbye.

BirdOfPlay
Feb 19, 2012

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Party Plane Jones posted:

Going through the picture about half of the long rifles aren't CA compliant so he's going away on gun charges for a long long time.

My first thought. Whole lotta pistol grips. The tweet thread does have some people going "well akschully" about registration requirements only covering assault weapons.

He's only been changed with making threats thus far:

quote:

“The suspect had made a verbal threat stating words to the effect of maybe you need to go be with your son[Ed: the person's son is dead],” said Sgt. Jim Cota of Laguna Beach PD. “You could tell the voicemails and text messages became more and more threatening and then the tip of the iceberg was hearing the releasing of a handgun slide, so at that point we knew we were dealing with somebody whose got the potential of extreme violence.”
EDIT: Source.

Also:
https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1067656062734491648

BirdOfPlay fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 28, 2018

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013

VH4Ever posted:

Good. Good, good, good. Good. I will never, ever forget how many people were so, so ready to start lionizing this scumbag and how I never fell for it, not even once. It's my turn to be smug, baby.

Burn in hell, Mike.

That's the key difference between the two sides: the Left kills all its knife-fighting ruthless monsters, the Right pats them on the back and gives them more and better knives to fight with.

selec
Sep 6, 2003


loving yikes. Barbara Lee got hosed, and so did all the rest of us.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

selec posted:

loving yikes. Barbara Lee got hosed, and so did all the rest of us.

This loving sucks, Barbara Lee owns. :mad:

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.

VH4Ever posted:

IMO come the first of next year we need to just stop covering every piece of minutia of the Mueller probe and push it all to the backs of our minds and into the back pages of the newspaper and stop covering it endlessly on cable. The primary thing we should be covering and gnawing over as a society and a country, loathe as we are to start this poo poo so early, is how we unseat this motherfucker in 2020 using the normal electoral process, plus how we obstruct him until then. We need to get this right, it's too important. Hoping that Mueller would save us depended on the GOP having morals or scruples and we know now they do not. Time to leave this fairy tale of Mueller taking care of this problem somehow in the past with the stupid #Resist poo poo and focus on what really matters: obstructing him using the new Dem majority in the short term, and whooping his Big Mac eating rear end at the polls in 2020. If we miss the mark, kiss this country goodbye.

I disagree. I'm not really sure where I fall in the whole Russia debate. I definitely don't agree with the people screaming "red scare" with Tucker Carlson but I also routinely have to remind people in my life that Trump is not going to end up jail from this. But I do think there's a very good chance that this is basically his "but her emails" for 2020. It may not be anything that kills him or anything but its gonna be a pestering issue that keeps coming back up and as long as Trump is busy having to deal with that and deflect its gonna chip away.

There's bigger, more important stuff and we should talk about it. And I contend that we DO talk about it but people see what they want to see across the scale. But 2018 was a good example of what to do. Don't run on the Russia stuff. Run on the real stuff. Let the Russia stuff just be a nuisance for them to get headaches over. Because if the Democrats are talking about healthcare and human rights and the Republicans are complaining that Manafort, Stone, and Corsi are being mistreated I think that's a good position.

And keep locking up whatever scum you can because there's actual crimes committed and assholes who should be taken off the board.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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One thing about congressional Dems is that they will always, as a group, disappoint you.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

Living the comprehensive John Woo lifestyle.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

STAC Goat posted:

I disagree. I'm not really sure where I fall in the whole Russia debate. I definitely don't agree with the people screaming "red scare" with Tucker Carlson but I also routinely have to remind people in my life that Trump is not going to end up jail from this. But I do think there's a very good chance that this is basically his "but her emails" for 2020. It may not be anything that kills him or anything but its gonna be a pestering issue that keeps coming back up and as long as Trump is busy having to deal with that and deflect its gonna chip away.

There's bigger, more important stuff and we should talk about it. And I contend that we DO talk about it but people see what they want to see across the scale. But 2018 was a good example of what to do. Don't run on the Russia stuff. Run on the real stuff. Let the Russia stuff just be a nuisance for them to get headaches over. Because if the Democrats are talking about healthcare and human rights and the Republicans are complaining that Manafort, Stone, and Corsi are being mistreated I think that's a good position.

And keep locking up whatever scum you can because there's actual crimes committed and assholes who should be taken off the board.

Well, I mean we agree it sounds like. Sure, I'm not saying wrap it up. But what you said here, "Don't run on Russia?" Yeah, that. I'm not trying to white knight fuckers like Corsi, sure, lock all those fucks up. But we need to vote Trump out of office. We NEED to. By any means under the law.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/markos/status/1067823115118374913

(for the youngsters out there this is the guy that founded the daily kos)

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Chomskyan posted:

I believe it. In fact, I seriously doubt most Senate Democrats have a problem with the wall on an ideological level. Schumer literally voted for the wall in 2006 and he's their leader lmao

You can't just take all your framing of everything from fox news. There has never been a time democrats supported any sort of walling of the 2000 mile border. You aren't required to repeat conservative talking points of some sort of gotcha where a republican bill that included fences among other things got some votes so now that means dems are trump.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


come the gently caress on lmao

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1067907115501699072

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

BabyFur Denny posted:

Yeah but what would Poland alone be able to do against Russia?

The Russian Army is not exactly the Red Army today. Poland's military is well funded and would be operating on close logistical lines.

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