Speedrunning thread 3.6: Oh my god ball block

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trashy owl: Aug 23, 2017

pumpinglemma posted:

That's pretty much the dictionary definition of privilege - not knowing or understanding the full extent of what minorities have to deal with because you don't deal with it yourself on a regular basis. It doesn't make you a bad person, but it does make you an ineffective ally if you don't recognise it.

# ? Nov 29, 2018 23:57

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 17:26

fishmech: Jul 16, 2006; by VideoGames; Salad Prong

People shouldn't need any kind of special qualification to do the things Matty for example refused to do, imo. It's easy poo poo which is why not doing it is super galling.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:00

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

but in the past few years of being repeatedly disappointed with the subculture on this front, speedrunning has no effective delivery method for that kind of peer shaming. Which leaves GDQ as the only entity that can, really?

this is the sort of thing that would hinge on the platforms that enable this (twitch and friends) deciding to step up and shut down bigotry and racism, which they absolutely won't bother doing because it turns out that being a humongous rear end in a top hat is a great way to get viewers and viewers mean more money for twitch :v:

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:06

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

I oppose public shaming, for the record. It is a far harsher penalty than most people think.
...is that even what peer shaming means?

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:07

site: Apr 6, 2007; Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

fishmech posted:

People shouldn't need any kind of special qualification to do the things Matty for example refused to do, imo. It's easy poo poo which is why not doing it is super galling.

They shouldn't, but well...gestures broadly at humanity

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:09

Col. Roy Campbell: Dec 19, 2008

McFrugal posted:

I oppose public shaming, for the record. It is a far harsher penalty than most people think.
...is that even what peer shaming means?

Yeah, please think of the Nazis before you publicly shame them for saying Nazi stuff!

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:17

Propaganda Hour: Aug 25, 2008; after editing wikipedia as a joke for 16 years, i ve convinced myself that homer simpson's japanese name translates to the "The beer goblin"

Not directed at anyone, but

Normal brain: recognizing a lack of inclusiveness, recruiting for a trained specialist with lived-in knowledge at competitive wages, then giving them the authority to do their job
expanding brain: appointing the nearest minority and then ignoring their recommendations
galaxy brain: "Hey Matt, can you google a way to get transgender folks to like us?"

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:18

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

Supercar Gautier posted:

If you genuinely want minority input, then yeah, they need to be in an actual position (paid commensurately) to execute policy, not just consult and make recommendations that can be ignored.

That's a thing here too. Koalas march is a racial minority, and I have asked her for guidance on things before.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:19

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

Col. Roy Campbell posted:

Yeah, please think of the Nazis before you publicly shame them for saying Nazi stuff!

Oh my god really? No. The vast majority of people who get publicly shamed are not clear-cut Nazis. That is why it's a bad practice.
The worst case scenario is a person says something dumb or even something smart that gets taken out of context, and then that gets spread around until it hits a tipping point where EVERYONE knows about it. Then the shamed person loses their job and has to move to another country just to live in peace. You think I'm exaggerating but that exact thing has happened before on Twitter.

People used to get punished this way by small towns. There's a reason why it's not done anymore, and it's not just the internet. It ruins lives.

ANYWAY, if that's not what peer shaming means then whatever.

McFrugal fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Nov 30, 2018

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:48

Col. Roy Campbell: Dec 19, 2008

McFrugal posted:

Oh my god really? No. The vast majority of people who get publicly shamed are not clear-cut Nazis. That is why it's a bad practice.
The worst case scenario is a person says something dumb or even something smart that gets taken out of context, and then that gets spread around until it hits a tipping point where EVERYONE knows about it. Then the shamed person loses their job and has to move to another country just to live in peace. You think I'm exaggerating but that exact thing has happened before on Twitter.

People used to get punished this way by small towns. There's a reason why it's not done anymore, and it's not just the internet. It ruins lives.

ANYWAY, if that's not what peer shaming means then whatever.

We're not talking about making some dumb joke. We're talking about these people making anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, etc... remarks. Those people should be shamed into hiding and their lives ruined.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:54

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

McFrugal posted:

The vast majority of people who get publicly shamed are not clear-cut Nazis.

lol

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:55

SuccinctAndPunchy: Mar 29, 2013; People are supposed to get hurt by things. It's fucked up to not. It's not good for you.

McFrugal posted:

Oh my god really? No. The vast majority of people who get publicly shamed are not clear-cut Nazis. That is why it's a bad practice.
The worst case scenario is a person says something dumb or even something smart that gets taken out of context, and then that gets spread around until it hits a tipping point where EVERYONE knows about it. Then the shamed person loses their job and has to move to another country just to live in peace. You think I'm exaggerating but that exact thing has happened before on Twitter.

People used to get punished this way by small towns. There's a reason why it's not done anymore, and it's not just the internet. It ruins lives.

ANYWAY, if that's not what peer shaming means then whatever.

I was referring more to your friends politely informing you that you are saying some dumb poo poo, so that people realise that they are saying some dumb poo poo before it it in fact blows up all over the internet and fucks you over hard. Getting shunned from an event doesn't seem like it serves this purpose too well.

perhaps the wrong turn of phrase but I kinda fear the same thing you do but speedrunning has proven ineffective at not reaching that stage. Social media in general I suppose having much to do with that?

I don't know. This hobby is a weird mix of the personal relations and the ability to see everyone's dumbass thoughts at the same time.

I'm not seeing a better option other than just "gently caress a nazi gtfo out of my hobby". It consistently doesn't pan out any other way.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:57

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

SuccinctAndPunchy posted:

I was referring more to your friends politely informing you that you are saying some dumb poo poo, so that people realise that they are saying some dumb poo poo before it it in fact blows up all over the internet and fucks you over hard. Getting shunned from an event doesn't seem like it serves this purpose too well.

perhaps the wrong turn of phrase but I kinda fear the same thing you do but speedrunning has proven ineffective at not reaching that stage. Social media in general I suppose having much to do with that?

I don't know. This hobby is a weird mix of the personal relations and the ability to see everyone's dumbass thoughts at the same time.

I'm not seeing a better option other than just "gently caress a nazi gtfo out of my hobby". It consistently doesn't pan out any other way.

Thanks for the clarification.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 00:59

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Did we get rid of all the goddamn Nazis at GDQ yet, I am not reading 500 posts because it will make me sick.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 01:10

mp5: Jan 1, 2005; Stroke of luck!

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Did we get rid of all the goddamn Nazis at GDQ yet, I am not reading 500 posts because it will make me sick.

seems like no, but Grav is banned at least

# ? Nov 30, 2018 01:12

heehee: Sep 5, 2012; haha wow i cant believe how lucky we got to win

reading 500 posts in the speed run thread makes anyone ill

# ? Nov 30, 2018 01:13

Arbitrary Number: Nov 10, 2012

the cool matty post about not being nice to him makes him a worse ally

# ? Nov 30, 2018 01:18

Kaubocks: Apr 13, 2011

heeheex2 posted:

reading 500 posts in the speed run thread makes anyone ill

speedrunning the thread by clipping through page 82 directly t othe end

# ? Nov 30, 2018 02:33

Aurora: Jan 7, 2008

speedrunning gdq by doing the credits warp to skip the entire thing

# ? Nov 30, 2018 03:24

The 7th Guest: Dec 17, 2003

McFrugal posted:

The worst case scenario is a person says something dumb or even something smart that gets taken out of context, and then that gets spread around until it hits a tipping point where EVERYONE knows about it. Then the shamed person loses their job and has to move to another country just to live in peace. You think I'm exaggerating but that exact thing has happened before on Twitter.

define "something dumb"

easiest way to see what kind of person someone is is to just look at their twitter likes because the racists and neo-nazis never hide those tracks

# ? Nov 30, 2018 03:41

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

The 7th Guest posted:

define "something dumb"

easiest way to see what kind of person someone is is to just look at their twitter likes because the racists and neo-nazis never hide those tracks

That does sound like a good method. The incident I was referring to was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_shaming#Justine_Sacco_incident though there are other examples listed there.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 04:22

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

Did you know that in less than a weeks time you can watch THE big jon do a run of the only good 3D sonic game for Power Up With Pride?

That's right, Sonic 3D blast, be there or be a isometric square.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 04:34

Johnny Joestar: Oct 21, 2010; Don't shoot him?

...
...

i'm genuinely interested in checking out power up with pride now

for obvious reasons

lmao

# ? Nov 30, 2018 04:36

Fawf: Nov 5, 2009; It's Me, It's Me, It's DDD

SeXReX posted:

Did you know that in less than a weeks time you can watch THE big jon do a run of the only good 3D sonic game for Power Up With Pride?

That's right, Sonic 3D blast, be there or be a isometric square.

Thanks, the event wasn't on my radar at all and everything about it sounds refreshing as hell after the past couple of days.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 04:37

DizzyBum: Apr 16, 2007

Yeah I hope PUWP will be a nice palate cleanser and in the meantime GDQ gets their poo poo together for January.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:18

mbt: Aug 13, 2012

How do you pronounce puwp

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:26

DoctorWhat: Nov 18, 2011; A little privacy, please?

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

How do you pronounce puwp

puh-wup

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:27

Huzzah!: Sep 15, 2007; Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

How do you pronounce puwp

Similiar to PubG, so basically puppy.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:29

Captain Invictus: Apr 5, 2005; Try reading some manga!; Clever Betty

DoctorWhat posted:

puh-wup

So kinda like megaman's landing de-dit

There is DEFINITELY a classic megaman enemy that makes a puh-wup noise when jumping

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:49

DoctorWhat: Nov 18, 2011; A little privacy, please?

Huzzah! posted:

Similiar to PubG, so basically puppy.

i mean, sure, if you have a homestar runner accent

# ? Nov 30, 2018 05:53

bare bottom pancakes: Sep 3, 2015; Production: Complete

Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:

How do you pronounce puwp

I'm struggling to not pronounce it "poop" 💩

# ? Nov 30, 2018 06:42

chiefnewo: May 21, 2007

For some reason the first time I saw Power Up With Pride mentioned I thought it was some white power type event, glad to see I was mistaken.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 08:30

SeXReX: Jan 9, 2009; I drink, mostly.
And get mad at people on the internet

My agent tells me i should specify the event next week is called winter pride and is not the "mainline" power up with pride event that happens in the summer.

https://horaro.org/wp18/schedule

SeXReX fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Nov 30, 2018

# ? Nov 30, 2018 08:57

timp: Sep 19, 2007; Everything is in my control; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/GamesDoneQuick/status/1068565327233994752

# ? Nov 30, 2018 19:30

Mr E: Sep 18, 2007

timp posted:

https://twitter.com/GamesDoneQuick/status/1068565327233994752

I ready past PMG's reply and would not recommend anyone else do that.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 19:36

McFrugal: Oct 11, 2003

Mr E posted:

I ready past PMG's reply and would not recommend anyone else do that.

Newer replies are listed first. Probably shouldn't look at the replies at all.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 19:40

Kaubocks: Apr 13, 2011

Mr E posted:

I ready past PMG's reply and would not recommend anyone else do that.

the only good thing about tweets like this is it's a honeypot to find more idiots i should block outright

# ? Nov 30, 2018 19:46

DizzyBum: Apr 16, 2007

timp posted:

https://twitter.com/GamesDoneQuick/status/1068565327233994752

I'm glad they're acknowledging this.

I'm still looking forward to AGDQ '19; I'm not going to stop supporting them immediately because I feel like that would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But the next year is going to be very important for GDQ and I sincerely hope they improve as a result of this.

# ? Nov 30, 2018 20:16