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the bugs didn't actually send the asteroid that hit buenos aires. https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1068323471644479488 Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Skex posted:Yes please continue to repeat this line coming from health industry lobbyists. The reality is that there weren't enough votes for the public option in the Senate. So even if the Obama administration "pre-compromised" the public option away it was more likely an effort to gain some utility out of the situation. And if you are convinced that the Obama administration could have gotten it anyway if they had simply tried harder I'd like to take the opportunity to remind you that the Republicans couldn't even control their members enough to get their kill Obamacare bill through even though that was their entire loving platform for 6 years. Pra pra pra pragmatism strikes again
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Your Taint posted:Did he officially offer Putin the suite or did he just think about it? Because if he just thought about it I'm pretty sure that's not a crime. I don't think they actually made the offer to Putin and the whole deal was scrapped (or more likely just paused) as soon as the Washington Post revealed the Russians were the source of the email hacks. BUT when the negotiations involve your people causally throwing around and working towards implementing an absolutely massive FCPA violation you just know there is more rot there. This revelation also shows the Trumps were closely in the loop on the negotiations. Which makes me think - doesn't Ivanka have a security clearance of some level? If so I suspect that there are a few things missing from the "contacts with foreign nationals" part of her sworn-as-true-and-complete background check paperwork.
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Trump wants us to think this is like a sitcom, where he was just a happy developer trying to do something Very Legal and Very Cool for us, but that nosy Robert Mueller almost spoiled the surprise, so he had to keep making up zanier and zanier lies to keep it going, but now it's ruined! Thanks a lot, Witch Hunt! But it's okay, we understand you were trying to do something Very Legal and Very Cool, so we'll forgive all those comedic misunderstandings in the end.
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Random Stranger posted:If Trump isn't impeached then the democrats in the house aren't doing their job. Impeachment is political and I think there is an argument to be made that impeaching him would be politically harmful to Democrats. That should really be the only calculus.
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mcmagic posted:Impeachment is political and I think there is an argument to be made that impeaching him would be politically harmful to Democrats. That should really be the only calculus. My first instinct was to say "nah ur dumb" but then I realized the Dems have been doing jack and poo poo the last two years and still won the house so with Pence being the VP and people willing to vote for Dems over Trump without them lifting a finger, maybe?
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Ladies, gentlemen, I present to you the most legally hosed man in the World. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1068523203272728576
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mcmagic posted:Impeachment is political and I think there is an argument to be made that impeaching him would be politically harmful to Democrats. That should really be the only calculus. At the very least the House needs to proceed with their own real investigations and present evidence to the public before considering impeachment.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Ladies, gentlemen, I present to you the most legally hosed man in the World. March is a long way off. Think of all the crimes he can do until then.
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Random Stranger posted:If Trump isn't impeached then the democrats in the house aren't doing their job. Agreed, if only because it will make GOP Senators have to vote on it.
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FizFashizzle posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1068486315145134080 About that loving  https://mobile.twitter.com/RandyMBell/status/1066094111235678213 https://mobile.twitter.com/docjlm/status/1067199808690110464 https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1068502770360082432 GOP Rep. Doug Lamborn quote:For the first time in a free trade agreement, sexual orientation and gender identity language (SOGI) is contained within President Trump’s U.S.-Mexico-Canada-Agreement (USMCA). At Canada’s insistence, Article 23 of the agreement redefines the word “sex” to include “sexual orientation and gender identity.” Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government is calling it a “win” for the LGBT community.
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"Listen to me, you fat orange toad. You NEVER cancel meeting with me. If you screw us, then I release piss tape!"
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Hmm, do you think that LGBT protection clause was calculated by Trump as a way to try to get some emergency cred from Dems, or a case of broken clock?Rigel posted:"Listen to me, you fat orange toad. You NEVER cancel meeting with me. If you screw us, then I release piss tape!" In soviet Russia, meeting cancels YOU
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Hmm, do you think that LGBT protection clause was calculated by Trump as a way to try to get some emergency cred from Dems, or a case of broken clock? I assume he just plain got out maneuvered by other countries looking to improve social conditions in a backwards hellstate
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Hmm, do you think that LGBT protection clause was calculated by Trump as a way to try to get some emergency cred from Dems, or a case of broken clock? Probably a case of, "Didn't read it, nobody told him it was there."
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:My first instinct was to say "nah ur dumb" but then I realized the Dems have been doing jack and poo poo the last two years and still won the house so with Pence being the VP and people willing to vote for Dems over Trump without them lifting a finger, maybe? Who's mind are you changing by impeaching him? Who's vote are you turning out who isn't already politically activated to vote against him?
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impeaching clinton harmed the republicans because it was so blatantly partisan. plus during that term his approval rating was constantly in the high 50s to high 60s. trump will never ever sniff those numbers. impeaching a historically unpopular president would not harm the democrats. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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LOL watch the GOP start screaming for impeachment.
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Shifty Pony posted:I don't think they actually made the offer to Putin and the whole deal was scrapped (or more likely just paused) as soon as the Washington Post revealed the Russians were the source of the email hacks. There’s a chance that the trump tower meeting involved trump Moscow in exchange for magnitsky sanctions relief. Quid pro quo. Also we’ve learned of numerous crimes ivanka has done this week - private e-mail server usage for government emails and almost definitely lying on security clearances, most notably.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Hmm, do you think that LGBT protection clause was calculated by Trump as a way to try to get some emergency cred from Dems, or a case of broken clock? quote:calculated by Trump lol I'm sure it was Canada that snuck it in there and Trump literally didn't read it.
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mcmagic posted:Who's mind are you changing by impeaching him? Who's vote are you turning out who isn't already politically activated to vote against him? It's not about changing minds. It's about curtailing damage you dork Like I said, the real calculus should be "Does what Mueller have implicate Pence also" because Trump is better than Pence
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quote:At Canada’s insistence, Article 23 of the agreement redefines the word “sex” to include “sexual orientation and gender identity.” Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government is calling it a “win” for the LGBT community. e: I've also gotten the vibe Trump is generally apathetic about this issue - if he knew about it he probably just forgot it was his party's policy to be against it, and thought it was a win when Canada pushed it as a term since he felt like he wasn't losing anything by accepting it? Oxyclean fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Oxyclean posted:I'm glad there's at least one thing my government is doing right. This is actually kind of funny that Republicans let this slip in there not thinking that it could be used as a cudgel against our regressive anti-LGBTQ policies. Only after they finished it and Trump signed it were they like, "Wait, what? I have to treat them like people?" Edit: Granted Congress has to ratify it, but lol if they think Donny is going to be okay with them humiliating him by sending it back.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:It's not about changing minds. It's about curtailing damage you dork Impeaching him but not removing him is not curtailing much damage. He will do as much damage as senate republicans let him.
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mcmagic posted:Impeachment is political and I think there is an argument to be made that impeaching him would be politically harmful to Democrats. That should really be the only calculus. If it becomes crystal clear that he has done illegal stuff then they will suffer politically if they don't. The blue wave was clearly a reaction the Trump and the Republicans malificence and if the Democrats decide that they should ignore it they are going to kill motivation for 2020. They will look complicit in the corruption while Republican voters won't care what Trump is doing. They will be lending credibility to the idea that his crimes aren't a problem for the highest governement official. Also saying "we don't have enough people in our party in the Senate" is Congress admitting justice is entirely political and abdicating any check they have on the executive branch forever.
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Haha it's the Omnibus Bill all over again. Wonder what else is in it. (So does Trump. Well, "wonder" is a strong word...)
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Random Stranger posted:If Trump isn't impeached then the democrats in the house aren't doing their job. Impeachment should only go forward if they're sure he'll be removed by the Senate or it'll probably help his reelection chances. We even have recent evidence of this from Clinton's impeachment. Yes, there's a difference here in that he did Real-rear end Crimes rather than lie about an affair, a thing regualr people can understand wanting to do, but being 'cleared' by the Senate is good cover for aww shucks everyday dipshits to support him. Since the current Senate is so unlikely to vote for removal, I'd like to see him impeached and removed by the incoming congress so he can't even attend the inauguration of President Klobuchar and VP O'Rourke.
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the red box is when the impeachment proceedings happened (ending with acquittal in the senate). the orange line is where 538 has trump's approval rating right now. his disapproval is about 20 points higher (nearly 30 in some polls) than clinton's was.
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Oxyclean posted:I'm glad there's at least one thing my government is doing right. He almost definitely has no idea what's in the agreement aside from maybe a very broad stroke, extremely simplified overview. He very definitely doesn't know a thing about any deep cut provisions like that.
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GHOST_BUTT posted:We're gonna look like idiots when Buenos Aires gets hit and we all laughed away the idea of a Space Force Wake up sheeple the meteor was only CG the Federation did it to themselves
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Learned something new today. I honestly did not know it was illegal for a businessman or a company to bribe a foreign leader or government official to help their own business. Sure, it might be illegal in THEIR country, and we obviously have a problem with a company bribing our politicians, but I didn't think we cared about a company doing business in Russia bribing Putin to open a hotel. Sure, its a problem if you are running for office or are elected, but its apparently illegal even if Trump never ran for office. That said, the law seems to treat "greasing the skids" different from bribery. If its not illegal to pay an official to do his job quicker (ie put your business at the front of the line to do what they eventually would have gotten around to doing), and if its a commonly accepted practice over there, then we'll allow it, but if a payment by an American company is illegal in their country even if they never enforce their own law, then we can go after them.
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lmao that is how you do a headline https://twitter.com/bethfertig/status/1068528965663498240
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Radish posted:Also saying "we don't have enough people in our party in the Senate" is Congress admitting justice is entirely political and abdicating any check they have on the executive branch forever. Why would Republicans care about that? They can shut down anything progressives want by only approving judges who worship at the altar of Lochner, which they'll have the power to do because they'll control the Senate for the foreseeable future.
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Radish posted:If it becomes crystal clear that he has done illegal stuff then they will suffer politically if they don't. The blue wave was clearly a reaction the Trump and the Republicans malificence and if the Democrats decide that they should ignore it they are going to kill motivation for 2020. They will look complicit in the corruption while Republican voters won't care what Trump is doing. They will be lending credibility to the idea that his crimes aren't a problem for the highest governement official. Of course justice is entirely political.
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