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Herbotron posted:That's a really cool bit of trivia. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember Senran Kagura having a fairly large female fanbase, as another example women not being prudish. Senran Kagura's fanbase is something like 40/60 female/male and there's a large number of female staff. It's also worth noting that Neptunia has a female character designer and is probably the RPG series with the most female staff members, since there's multiple interviews where people on that dev team mention that there's way more women than anywhere else they've ever worked. Not that it makes these things above criticism or makes them actually woke, or something, just that the whole 'pandering to MEN' thing is attacking it from the wrong angle.
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Feels a bit silly to do this nonspecific "dumb people do this genre of argument" thing, especially since the original person being talked about (Dan Olson, if I'm not mistaken), never said anything like that as far as I can tell.
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Nov 30, 2018 19:48
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Fangz posted:Feels a bit silly to do this nonspecific "dumb people do this genre of argument" thing, especially since the original person being talked about (Dan Olson, if I'm not mistaken), never said anything like that as far as I can tell.
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Endorph posted:Senran Kagura's fanbase is something like 40/60 female/male and there's a large number of female staff. I'm not super keyed into video game industry statistics, but I wonder if a lot of these notions at least in the US come about just because it seems to be harder to get statistics on player base demographics because companies don't usually release their data or even ask and no websites really have enough of a user base for good sample sizes, especially on more niche games. It seems like things just get taken on faith and assumptions or one or two articles or twitter opinions because nobody ever really asks or is able to get a trustworthy answer. Or maybe this data is out there and I'm just out of touch. There were occasionally some good threads in Games on this but they tended to go south quickly. chumbler fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Nov 30, 2018 |
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Nov 30, 2018 20:20
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Allarion posted:I'm still having trouble connecting this with Love Live “Granted, I haven’t watched Love Live,”
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good av
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Thanks friend
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the notion comes from sexism
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Nov 30, 2018 20:43
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Huh. Right on, Chivalry was actually pretty decent I thought. https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1068588234324828160?s=19 Edit: not available in the US 
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Nov 30, 2018 21:05
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a kitten posted:Huh. Was Chivalry of a Failed Knight the one considered good and Asterisk War the one considered bad, or was it the other way around?
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Nov 30, 2018 21:07
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Silver2195 posted:Was Chivalry of a Failed Knight the one considered good and Asterisk War the one considered bad, or was it the other way around? The former.
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Endorph posted:Senran Kagura's fanbase is something like 40/60 female/male and there's a large number of female staff. Saki probably is a great example of something that a casual observer would think it's design evolution was done to pander to men when in reality it's changes were done cause Ritz finally got the freedom to indulge her thirsts
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Nov 30, 2018 21:11
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It would be neat if they did something like Chivalry/Asterisk on purpose as an experiment. Make 2 or 3 shows with literally the same first episode (or maybe the same script but different animation and voice acting), and give each show a different writer/director who can take the show in whatever direction they want. There are sometimes shows with a promising first episode that are taken in a not-great direction later, often by a different creative team than the writer of the first episode (e.g., Aldnoah/Zero); it would be interesting if a different writer was given a chance to pick up the story from the same first episode.
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Nov 30, 2018 21:21
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who's Dan Olson
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Chivalry also had a character that looked like Iori Yagami had a bastard son whom he verbally abused, with "lovely brat" being the kindest thing he could muster, so he grows up to resent him, becomes a womanizing douche and bullies MC's for fun and profit. Also probably one of the funniest roles Kirito's VA, Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, has ever done. DisDisDis posted:who's Dan Olson
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Nov 30, 2018 21:36
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someone give me sparknotes on his 2+ hour analysis of 50 shades of gray
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Nov 30, 2018 21:40
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The original book, being based on a serialized fanfiction, is kind of a fuckin' mess narratively, and gosh darn it the first movie tries its best to construct a coherent plot which is all completely disregarded with a new creative team for the second and third movies. Also since the second and third movies were directed and written by dudes, there's some hilariously no homo moments with regards to Christian being sexy.
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thank you
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Nov 30, 2018 21:46
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Also the plot is largely incoherent and the books' portrayal of BDSM alternates between being what actual enthusiasts would describe as hilariously vanilla and being actively insulting and condescending to them, with the implication that one only ever falls into the subculture as a result of intense psychological damage.
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Nov 30, 2018 21:49
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Onmi posted:That's extremely limited in view, both the implication that only horny young men can be gotten into anime with horny stuff, and the idea that a focused sex-scene is somehow more inappropriate or distracting than spread out nudity or sexual gazes. No no I'm saying that spread out nudity is more distracting than focused sex scenes. Sex scenes are usually relevant to the plot, or at least a specific thing that happens. And I know girls are horny come on. I don't think I'd have any issues recommending run with the wind to straight women, and I chat about yuri anime with bi women. But I know a lot of women who aren't going to watch a show when they get up to the inevitable beach episode because they're going to realise they're not the target audience in a big way. The fact that the sexualized bikini babe is usually under 18 is also going to go down like a lead balloon.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Also the plot is largely incoherent and the books' portrayal of BDSM alternates between being what actual enthusiasts would describe as hilariously vanilla and being actively insulting and condescending to them, with the implication that one only ever falls into the subculture as a result of intense psychological damage. MY MOTHER....THE CRACK WHORE
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Nov 30, 2018 21:51
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i, too, can't go to the beach, because there might be people of all ages in various states of undress there.
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Nov 30, 2018 21:51
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All of my lady internet friends went bonkers in yonkers over the gridman beach episode
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Nov 30, 2018 21:52
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I don't think close up shots of 16 year old T&A being not for everyone is a particularly hot take but here we are
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Nov 30, 2018 21:57
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you leave chobits out of this
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Space Flower posted:you leave chobits out of this
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The beach is fun because nobody says squat about you being shoeless. Also, sand feels good between your toes.  Expect My Mom posted:All of my lady internet friends went bonkers in yonkers over the gridman beach episode
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Nov 30, 2018 22:01
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sand loving sucks
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yeah lets get a bunch of coarse poo poo on my feet that's near impossible to all get off without shower facilities. great idea
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Wark Say posted:The beach is fun because nobody says squat about you being shoeless. Also, sand feels good between your toes. Chunks of broken rock or seashell don't. The beach is good in theory but bad in practice.
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Wark Say posted:Also it had a kid being teased for being slightly pudgy/out of shape, and that was both strangely endearing and relatable. Davincie posted:sand loving sucks
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Davincie posted:yeah lets get a bunch of coarse poo poo on my feet that's near impossible to all get off without shower facilities. great idea Hi Anakin
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Spiritus Nox posted:with the implication that one only ever falls into the subculture as a result of intense psychological damage. I dunno from what I hear, BDSM has a massive problem with actual domestic abuse.
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Ugh, fine then! No anigoon meet at any beach.Expect My Mom posted:I liked that a lot of the girls didnt make fun of him but thought it was cute 
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Is no one gonna mention that Gridman had a mountain ep and not a beach one?
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sorry it was the same idea, there were swimsuits
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Lemon-Lime posted:HisoMaso is a good show. Yep. Just got around to seeing it recently, myself. The cast is endearing, the romances are fun and charming even when it seems initially like they really won't be, and the plot develops at a nice pace.
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I agree that a lot of Western critics "analyze" what they believe to be the audience of the show, as opposed to the actual text, which is also often used as a springboard to launch into tedious ranting about "real issues" as opposed to dumb cartoons or whatever. However, it is a double edge sword. 70% or even 100% female viewership / stuff can't be used as an argument against critique based on solid textual evidence.
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that's exactly what a trump lover would say
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