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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Sure, but at the same time, I would be warry of greeting the Russians with open arms as long as they still had nukes. I agree, or did, that we should have done a lot to rebuild them in the 90's. Edit  this cat gets off on american nuke death T. Bombastus fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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trinary posted:The saddest thing is that way back in the day we were on the right track. NNTP newsgroups (killed by hosted forums, then all social media), IRC (killed by AIM/ICQ/Gchat, killed again by Slack), hell webrings as primitive as they were let nearly anyone contribute to a community if you could get something hosted. Global XMPP messaging federation was possible until Google co-opted and ended it. Broadcasting by publishing RSS feeds ended with Reader, another one attributable to Google. Basically we're going to have to have another loving tech collapse in order to have good poo poo again.
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AriadneThread posted:this is a good post Even that was centralization on a smaller scale, with someone being in charge of collecting and distributing. Early internet had mailing lists that revolved around the same thing - someone with a server that could host it. Some amazing ones vanished when the owner got bored one day, and there was no recourse. Usenet was an interesting experiment but ultimately the same lack of central control led it to be completely overwhelmed with spam and eventually copyright infringement. Mastodon suffers from the same problem as mailing lists - it may be federated, but each instance needs someone to sponsor it, meaning you're at the whim of whoever pays for a hosted server. They've got even less resources to maintain a community hub than a big company does. You could pay for your own, but then you have to maintain it instead of just chatting about the dog breed you're obsessed with. I don't think there is a good answer, since even if an actual decentralized social network that didn't require you to pay for a server 24/7 wasn't a nearly-impossible project, there would be nobody to deal with the abuse that happens on every medium. Projects like freenet suffer from that, you "could" publish a blog there and it would last as long as people kept reading it, but it's extremely slow and technical which drives off everyone except dedicated privacy nuts and pedophiles. Even the  people don't bother with it, since torrents are so much easier and the penalty is a nasty letter, not jail time.There are two freenet social media "platforms". Both involve first setting up freenet then waiting a few days for it to figure out how to find other nodes, then running a separate program on top of that to access the social media side. The first one invented had no controls whatsoever, and basically instantly became a pedo haven. Probably didn't help that it was also designed around filesharing. The second is ridiculously complicated to the point it filters out everyone but technical nerds who join it just because it's there. Even they don't last long, because there's maybe a dozen active users so it's boring and everyone goes back to something with people on it. trinary posted:The saddest thing is that way back in the day we were on the right track. NNTP newsgroups (killed by hosted forums, then all social media), IRC (killed by AIM/ICQ/Gchat, killed again by Slack), hell webrings as primitive as they were let nearly anyone contribute to a community if you could get something hosted. Global XMPP messaging federation was possible until Google co-opted and ended it. Broadcasting by publishing RSS feeds ended with Reader, another one attributable to Google. That probably goes for IRC as well, although that had much more involved server politics than the "do you have a shitton of bandwidth and disk space?" of hosting usenet. The internet itself at the protocol level had support for multicast, with the inverted routing table of subscribers that was required to run it. Anyone could run a live video feed (or anything at all) if you had enough bandwidth to send out a single video stream. Everything beyond that was duplicated at the infrastructure level, fanning out to individual subscribers. It "worked" but the complexity of it meant it only really worked for things like NASA TV, and pretty early on ISPs blocked access to IGMP because it was trivially easy to DDoS your entire network by subscribing to everything. Imagine that now - twitch streaming without needing a company to pay for massive bandwidth duplication. It would be insanely popular. E: Is there a thread this would be better suited for, or a new one? It's an interesting subject as the amount of  I wrote about it would indicate, but not really USPOL anymore.Harik fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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I remember there was an article Lowtax contributed to about the history of internet social platforms, with the basic thesis being 'they were all born broken'. That and another one where Lowtax explained SA's moderation style and mechanics and how it contrasts with Twitter's opaque and unpredictable management.EdithUpwards posted:Basically we're going to have to have another loving tech collapse in order to have good poo poo again. Sounds likely. Both that we'll need a tech collapse and going to have a tech collapse. Seems like online advertising has been a bubble long awaiting its burst.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Sounds likely. Both that we'll need a tech collapse and going to have a tech collapse. Seems like online advertising has been a bubble long awaiting its burst. Good. The Bay Area has turned into a hell-world over the last decade.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I remember there was an article Lowtax contributed to about the history of internet social platforms, with the basic thesis being 'they were all born broken'. That and another one where Lowtax explained SA's moderation style and mechanics and how it contrasts with Twitter's opaque and unpredictable management. Yeah the lepers colony is sort of silly now, since it is mostly probations as jokes or idiots with ten billion 12hr trolling violations, but there didn't used to be probations, it cost you $10 if you were obnoxious, and it was a very good reference for how not to act.
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Skippy McPants posted:Good. The Bay Area has turned into a hell-world over the last decade. If I ever get to see the day Twitter goes out of business, it will be one of the happiest days of my life.
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nine-gear crow posted:If I ever get to see the day Twitter goes out of business, it will be one of the happiest days of my life. gently caress, can you even imagine it? I feel like the world has gotten so hooked a steady diet of hot takes that even if Twitter died a dozen replacements would sprout from its fetid corpse.
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Skippy McPants posted:gently caress, can you even imagine it? I feel like the world has gotten so hooked a steady diet of hot takes that even if Twitter died a dozen replacements would sprout from its fetid corpse. Acceptable if we goons completely destroy the conservative twitter like reaganbook.
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Lycus posted:I am curious how a subscription-model MySpacebook would do, but I doubt we'll see it. Thats basically LinkedIn. Maybe Lowtax should give everyone more customization options for our profiles
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Stereotype posted:Thats basically LinkedIn. I wonder what percentage pay for LinkedIn Premium tho? I'd guess 5% or less
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Skippy McPants posted:gently caress, can you even imagine it? I feel like the world has gotten so hooked a steady diet of hot takes that even if Twitter died a dozen replacements would sprout from its fetid corpse. I mean people are already trying with things like Mastodon and (lol) Gab, it's just that as long as Twitter continues to exist inertia means it's going to be the one everyone gravitates towards because it already has the userbase. Even back before the alt-right really blew up big I remember reading an article about how Twitter was looking for buyers but people weren't biting (Disney was cited in particular) because numerous instances of people bombarding celebrities with vitriol and chasing them away had irrevocably poisoned the well and nobody wanted to take on the social media equivalent of toxic debt. I wonder if at a certain point Jack just gave up on the idea of cashing out and that's why Twitter doesn't give a poo poo of you're a nazi or a Russian bot farm or whatever (and yes I'm sure that Jack probably doesn't mind the company of nazis for other reasons as well).
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Stereotype posted:Thats basically LinkedIn. Goons paying to hire other goons?
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tehinternet posted:I’m thinking there’s a business opportunity here for the forums since tumble is f There was the bizarre clone of the forums where porn was randomly inserted everywhere. That owned
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Mustached Demon posted:Goons paying to hire other goons? Goon paying a goon to hire another goon!
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There used to be a ton of porn in PYF. Think those threads went away a while ago though.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I wonder what percentage pay for LinkedIn Premium tho? I'd guess 5% or less https://www.statista.com/statistics/264074/percentage-of-paying-linkedin-users/ Cant be arsed clicking a link? 79% Free 20% Paid 1% Unsure
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https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/3/18124416/tim-cook-apple-infowars-white-supremacy-podcasts-platform-adlquote:“At Apple, we believe technology needs to have a clear point of view. This is no time to get tied up in knots. We only have one message for those who seek to push hate, division, or violence: You have no place on our platforms. You have no home here. From the earliest days of iTunes to Apple Music today we have always prohibited music with a history of white supremacy. Why? Because it’s the right thing to do. And as we showed this year, we won’t give a platform to violent conspiracy theorists. Why? Because it’s the right things to do.” God I hope all the racists start smashing their $1000+ iPhones and MacBooks into pieces to own the libs  .
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Please don't criticize me too harshly for living under quite the large rock all this time, but tumblr was used primarily for...porn? I was only familiar with its rep as ground zero for SJW-ism (hence the term "tumblrinas").
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A lot of artists, nerds and sex workers used the website and with them came a porn scene like anywhere else in the net.
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Mr Interweb posted:Please don't criticize me too harshly for living under quite the large rock all this time, but tumblr was used primarily for...porn? I was only familiar with its rep as ground zero for SJW-ism (hence the term "tumblrinas"). Not just porn. Tumblr had a huge LGBTQ community as well. Ditto for a pro-feminist community and a pro-sex community that was pretty firmly against any sort of bigotry. That being what helped piss off the chud types into co-opting the word SJW into an insult way back when. Interestingly enough after digging around it seems like this ban is mistargeting those groups as well. However, i'm kinda doubtful it's a mistake given that there's apparently a history of Tumblr not wanting the progressive and minority non-porn groups around. I recall hearing about how transgender issues and blogs were automatically flagged as "adult content" quite awhile ago. Meaning that you literally could not see them at all without a direct link. Ditto for some feminist stuff. Also, this means that anyone who is LGBTQ is at risk of and/or concerned about getting summarily banned since they're ditching the adult content section they were shunted off too. Which is monumentally lovely. Basically, TL;DR: It seems like someone high up in Tumblr puts Jack on Twitter to shame when it comes to being a regressive shithead. As for what precipitated this: My understanding is that much like Reddit Tumblr actively ignored child porn propagating on it's platform for years (The aforementioned hiding of adult content didn't get rid of it. It just hid it so that no one could see just how much was going on and demand that they put a stop to it. Which is also immensely lovely and highly suspect. Basically, they managed to out-Reddit Reddit in being creepy and scummy about that stuff on their platform.) until it propagated so much that even their slap-dash filtering system lead to it spilling out into the public far in advance of any other pornographic content out there. Keep in mind the aforementioned spillage of horrifying kiddie porn occurred in full view of anyone that owned the Apple Store version of Tumblr's app. Meaning that Apple promptly lost it's poo poo and proceeded to ban the Tumblr app from their platform. Since who the gently caress wants the stigma of that on their platform? Heck, part of the agreement that Apple has with software developers is that if you have a social media element in your app that sort of thing cannot be permitted on your platform. So Tumblr had to of known they were ignoring a fairly huge issue and were just gambling that no one would ever call them on their behavior. Instead of dealing with this in a rational and sane way by taking responsibility for their gently caress ups and getting the kiddie porn off of the platform once and for all the company executives at Tumblr are pretty much burning the entire platform to the ground in favor of...Well, I don't even know. Maybe they're hoping it becomes the next Gab? It seems like someone is throwing the business equivalent of a suicidal tantrum in the hopes that they get back on the IOS store and don't die of severe depopulation in the next few years. Notably male nudity isn't mentioned in the banned content. So maybe they're hoping for some wholesome gay soft core porn? Who the gently caress even knows at this point. Archonex fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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Themagicalgoat posted:I really want to care about what milquetoast Democrats too, I really do. But then I remember Republicans don't even admit climate change is real. And they commit voting fraud while accusing Democrats of doing it. And that's just on this page of the thread. Not doing anything sufficient to stop the immense problem is exactly as damaging as pretending the problem doesn't exist. Dems who don't have a sweeping plan to fight climate change are a complete non-starter for me at this point. There is no more future to kick the can to
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CyberPingu posted:https://www.statista.com/statistics/264074/percentage-of-paying-linkedin-users/ Adonbilivit
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T. Bombastus posted:who are "they" in this context? Surely the answer is not "every person in Russia," even though that's how your post reads. Enough people in Russia to keep the government afloat, and act as a bulwark against any sort of change? I mean, it's obviously not everyone, but I don't see any evidence that there isn't a large and loud majority of Russians who are homophobic bigots that parrot the kremlin's line.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Enough people in Russia to keep the government afloat, and act as a bulwark against any sort of change? This seems extremely ignorant of Russia's history and current climate of murking the gently caress out of anyone questioning authority.
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Deplatforming works a lot of the time like with Alex Jones but I don't think it applies in Milo's case. Milo became more popular after he was banned from Twitter. Left groups trying to shut down his college tours (rightfully) led to bad faith actors like FOX and free speech shitheads including Bill Maher to promote him as this martyr figure. Ironically it was becoming too popular and too visible too quickly that caused his downfall. He was slated to speak at CPAC so NeverTrumpers desperate to reclaim their party scoured his history for oppo, outing him as a pedophile. Within a week everyone he was associated with dropped him like a hot stone. Leftists and liberals already knew he was awful. Deplatforming is good, but it doesn't work all the time. Milo would be fine right now if he hadn't fed into your average Republican's delusion where they associate gay men with pedophilia. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 12:29 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:This seems extremely ignorant of Russia's history and current climate of murking the gently caress out of anyone questioning authority. I would find it hard to believe that there are more tolerant people in Russia than here, and I pretty much would nuke large portions of the US if I was given a chance, so it's kind of a small comfort. "Oh, sure, they work with the Religious Right in making sure people like you go to camps to get the gay out of them, among other issues, but it's OK because a majority don't like it. It will also never change, and nothing can be done about it, so welcome them with open arms!" It just doesn't work. It might be tragic, but at the end of the day, I can't imagine any other way of dealing with Russia except with the deepest suspicions and backed with as much of a military advantage as I can muster.
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exploded mummy posted:it's more or less because no one cares about SA any more and our user base is dying and shrinking Do we have actual evidence for this? Coz I see it said so often and I can’t remember how many people we had when I joined. Also it’s amusing to think what would happen if Twitter and other sites put up like a $5 tax on continuing to post. Most everyone would pay it once and never think about it again, but it would annihilate the fake accounts. Like a Tobin Tax for fake news.
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Speaking of things working, the super regressive french gas tax just got repealed. But uh, that might just stoke the flames at this point for the Jupiter king.
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FizFashizzle posted:Speaking of things working, the super regressive french gas tax just got repealed. Turns out burning down half your city is fairly effective.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Do we have actual evidence for this? Coz I see it said so often and I can’t remember how many people we had when I joined. I don’t know, but just by anecdotal experience Let’s Play tends to have between 200-400 active users browsing it at any given hour of the day if the “Who’s online?” Feature actually works properly and isn’t just more lol radium smoke and mirrors. And we’re one of the smaller more niche subs on SA, especially since the heyday of SA LPs is like at least 8 years past now. So if we’re doing that... okay, I’d assume the rest of SA is doing at least better than that too. Right?
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:I would find it hard to believe that there are more tolerant people in Russia than here, and I pretty much would nuke large portions of the US if I was given a chance, so it's kind of a small comfort. lol we literally just had midterm elections where we voted a ton of those people out but yeah it will never change
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Regarding Tumblr, they’ve known for years about adult content hemorrhaging on the website. There are been pornbots for at least the past three years, kiddie porn for probably around that length (not to mention the WEIRD pedo community), and the nsfw filtering is a mess and isn’t keen on LGBTQ people. While sites and scripts like tumblrsavior have helped, it shouldn’t be up to the users to fix what’s broken (or the Bethesda Approach). I hate that I’ve had an account for nearly a decade, chronicling through my freshman year of college, graduating, working, moving abroad until now, and all of that will likely go away in a second. It’s odd to feel so sentimental but hopefully I can find a way to back it all up. I’ve only lurked SA for longer than having a tumblr. But cool that they let nazis run rampant and did NOTHING. Silicon Valley being swallowed by a sinkhole would be a net loving positive.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:lol we literally just had midterm elections where we voted a ton of those people out but yeah it will never change We did, sure. I'm not sure how that's supposed to make me feel better about, you know, being super wary of Russia?
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