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infernal machines posted:like, i fully expect ms to do the dumbest most wasteful thing in any circumstance, but maybe ditching edge for chromium isn't the most coherent choice Why? There's absolutely no reason to keep their own rendering engine. It just means more hassle for web developers, there's no value to EdgeHTML/Presto reloaded.
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infernal machines posted:like, i fully expect ms to do the dumbest most wasteful thing in any circumstance, but maybe ditching edge for chromium isn't the most coherent choice
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Lambert posted:Why? There's absolutely no reason to keep their own rendering engine. It just means more hassle for web developers, there's no value to EdgeHTML/Presto reloaded. it would be much more microsoft to keep pouring resources into their godforsaken browser that nobody wants to use
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None of the users of edge disliked it because of the rendering engine, just as none of the users of opera liked the browser because of its rendering engine
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Lambert posted:Why? There's absolutely no reason to keep their own rendering engine. It just means more hassle for web developers, there's no value to EdgeHTML/Presto reloaded. its a better rendering engine than chome/slowkit in terms of both accuracy and performance.
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jit bull transpile posted:majoras mask is the best one. some of the stories in that one still make me tear up. you could bet on yorkshire terriers racing around a track
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Lambert posted:Why? There's absolutely no reason to keep their own rendering engine. It just means more hassle for web developers, there's no value to EdgeHTML/Presto reloaded. seeing how it is the most commonly used application programming interface in present day (as sad as this is) in effect yielding control of it to one of their main competitors seems dubious at best sure the control is not that firm since it is an oss thing, but once everything is chromium i think microsoft will find that google is in a much more powerful position to define how things work than they can hope to be
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chrome and search are like the only two things that google is competent at
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chome and all its offshoots are so bad.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:seeing how it is the most commonly used application programming interface in present day (as sad as this is) in effect yielding control of it to one of their main competitors seems dubious at best google already does whatever the gently caress it wants, though?
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Can't wait for chedge to automatically sign in people to google services
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Fiedler posted:google already does whatever the gently caress it wants, though? not with the windows apis, which includes as a huge piece the edge engine
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Shaggar posted:chome and all its offshoots are so bad. chome is becoming the new ie6 in that in not unusual for some pages to only work in it (and maybe safari)
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Shaggar posted:chome and all its offshoots are so bad. shaggar was right. firefox is best
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Wheany posted:Can't wait for chedge to automatically sign in people to google services chedge, chome, chatbots: 2019 has begun
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:seeing how it is the most commonly used application programming interface in present day (as sad as this is) in effect yielding control of it to one of their main competitors seems dubious at best Microsoft isn't even using their rendering engine for their own applications. Visual Studio Code is Chromium based. And others aren't using some hypothetical EdgeHTML application framework, either. Also, when no one can define where exactly this power lies, maybe the rendering engine isn't that important. Lambert fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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Shaggar posted:its a better rendering engine than chome/slowkit in terms of both accuracy and performance. if edge goes to chromium, what will you use to post???
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we will always have Internet Explorer 
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My Linux Rig posted:if edge goes to chromium, what will you use to post???
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r u ready to WALK posted:we will always have Internet Explorer it's funny to think that ie6 was so very, very bad and broke everything on the internet to such a degree that it permanently burned "microsoft browser = bad" into the brains of almost the entire world for all time it's successors were not quite as bad, but they still sucked and weren't really used for anything beyond downloading a better browser
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Dec 4, 2018 18:08
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unless you worked in government or other large public institutions, in which case they were used for everything
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https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1069694712464973829?s=19 Yes, I want my identity handled by Microsoft, known for making fool proof products
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infernal machines posted:unless you worked in government or other large public institutions, in which case they
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sorry, we're experiencing a temporary outage of azure identity services, please try to vote again later
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Dec 4, 2018 18:25
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maybe real mfn webkit but goddamn chome?
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orange sky posted:https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1069694712464973829?s=19 *werner herzogishly* "But they would not."
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dont be mean to me posted:maybe real mfn webkit but goddamn chome? Nah. Why would you use an out-of-date engine maintained by Apple and primarily used in Safari, 2018's Internet Explorer, when you can use a more modern engine instead? Microsoft today isn't about repeating past mistakes. They've had browsers with old engines before.
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ms still corncobbing as an ad strategy in tyool 2018
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i assume "universally recognized digital identity" will just amount to a new single sign on service which is also sponsored by mastercard
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I mean yeah it'll help the little girl with troubleshooting why no Bluetooth device works correctly or why suddenly the graphics card drivers are crashing
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:i assume "universally recognized digital identity" will just amount to a new single sign on service which is also sponsored by mastercard microsoft has a really solid history of totally functional sso products
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infernal machines posted:microsoft has a really solid history of totally functional products
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remember when apple stopped bothering to run the mac vs pc campaign altogether after microsoft took up the own themselves by running cringey "yeah, i'm a PC!!!!" ads they are still doing this. they are still this dumb. it has been ten years and they are still this dumb
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Didn't microsoft just try to introduce some sort of web authentication system that was basically like client certificates with a new UI a few years ago? I can't remember what it was called and I'm completely failing at googling it though. Edit: Found it. It was "cardspace" and "a few years ago" was apparently like 2010-2011. mystes fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Dec 4, 2018 |
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infernal machines posted:unless you worked in government or other large public institutions, in which case they were used for everything ya know it hardly occurs to me i use ie on windows 10 every day 
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infernal machines posted:microsoft has a really solid history of totally functional sso products yeah azure ad and adfs are great.
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IMO switching away from edgeHTML to Blink is, as with every decision involving Microsoft these days, Azure. - base your browser around a common web engine that happens to be used in a shitload of devices (Android, ChromeOS, etc.) - now you can tell developers "build PWAs, they will work the same across all these devices!" and make them first-class citizens in Windows - conveniently provide tooling to make better PWAs, that just so happen to integrate with easily deploying Azure app services - watch as Azure continues to grow and Windows continues to shrink in relevance
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Shaggar posted:yeah azure ad and adfs are great. the real innovation is Microsoft graph which is an amazing experience when you can get it to work, despite its terrible documentation
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