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hidys
May 6, 2015

"Give the boys a bit of a rev up."
I know I know marginal seat polling but still....

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1069921980248248320

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Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

evilbastard posted:


BTW, to give you an idea of their position, here is one of their worst case scenarios from 2018, thinking that somehow those dreaded millenials will outvote the rest of the population, and install an actual left-wing Democratic party in the US.

Well this uh.. this happened. The congressional house route was comparable to the Victorian election; the only reason the senate didn't flip was that none of the seats that flipped blue to red from 2012 and 2014 are up. 2020 won't be much better, so the senate will stay in Republican hands until 2022 most likely.

State legislatures and governorships fell like flies though. Millennials turned out like a motherfucker and by all accounts will be putting a democrat in the White house in 2 years.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

hidys posted:

I know I know marginal seat polling but still....

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1069921980248248320

Lmao. I think once the numbers reach a particular bigness it is fair to draw a rough conclusion.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

JBP posted:

Isn't it done?
No, they are voting on it next week

i’m surprised nobody else here is talking about one of the most dangerous bills about to be passed

evilbastard
Mar 6, 2003

Hair Elf

Don Dongington posted:

Well this uh.. this happened. The congressional house route was comparable to the Victorian election; the only reason the senate didn't flip was that none of the seats that flipped blue to red from 2012 and 2014 are up. 2020 won't be much better, so the senate will stay in Republican hands until 2022 most likely.

State legislatures and governorships fell like flies though. Millennials turned out like a motherfucker and by all accounts will be putting a democrat in the White house in 2 years.

No, everyone knew that the Democratic party would re-take the house, but this bank assumes a massive shift to the left that is simply impossible under the current US system.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus has 96 out of 435 seats in the US house, for this system to have happened they would have had to have had over 120 Democratic primary defeats by socialist-leaning candidates on sitting members, (similar to what happened with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), and then every single one of the caucus would need to ignore all the money that was donated to get them there.

Remember, the US Democrats are not a left wing party compared to the rest of the world. This is right-wing fearmongering dressed up as a financial predition.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

bowmore posted:

No, they are voting on it next week

i’m surprised nobody else here is talking about one of the most dangerous bills about to be passed

I don't know enough (anything) about encryption. They want to read my wechats or something? If they read my wechats it will let in cyber bandits? Something like that.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Is this why they closed tumblr

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

JBP posted:

I don't know enough (anything) about encryption. They want to read my wechats or something? If they read my wechats it will let in cyber bandits? Something like that.
I’m not incredibly well versed in it as well but here is the gist. They want tech companies to build backdoors into software and hardware so that law enforcement can easily read encrypted messages - only issue is that you can’t create a door just for law enforcement, it will be open to everyone, and it weakens the security of the entire internet (like, internet banking for an obvious example).

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
it basically undermines the security of the entire internet to catch a few dumb bad guys and will force a bunch of companies to shut up shop here when they refuse to do build an open door for anyone to exploit

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




bowmore posted:

I’m not incredibly well versed in it as well but here is the gist. They want tech companies to build backdoors into software and hardware so that law enforcement can easily read encrypted messages - only issue is that you can’t create a door just for law enforcement, it will be open to everyone, and it weakens the security of the entire internet (like, internet banking for an obvious example).

Deliberately breaking the security of encryption so that the criminals in the police can access data whenever they want also allows criminals not in the police to do it too, so it's really double the threat

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice

evilbastard posted:

No, everyone knew that the Democratic party would re-take the house, but this bank assumes a massive shift to the left that is simply impossible under the current US system.

The Congressional Progressive Caucus has 96 out of 435 seats in the US house, for this system to have happened they would have had to have had over 120 Democratic primary defeats by socialist-leaning candidates on sitting members, (similar to what happened with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez), and then every single one of the caucus would need to ignore all the money that was donated to get them there.

Remember, the US Democrats are not a left wing party compared to the rest of the world. This is right-wing fearmongering dressed up as a financial predition.

The thing is, given the state of massive inequality and the resultant risk to the economy, you don't necessarily have to be a flag waving DSA faithful to support an FDR-style new deal approach to economic repair. Demand-side economics is a far cry from UBI or mass nationalisation of utilities and the means of production.

Yeah people like Schumer or Clinton will still find away to gently caress it up - but even Pelosi and D.W.S. will probably come around on the Green New Deal proposal given its what's getting people out to vote, regardless if it's to the left of their own agenda. They'll need that if they want to take back the White house.

The ALP, Shorten and particularly supply-side hold outs like Bowen could really learn a lot from the 2018 midterms, and the folly of chasing voters on their right, while ignoring the larger cohort to their left, who haven't been captured by the media.

/Derail

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

NTRabbit posted:

Deliberately breaking the security of encryption so that the criminals in the police can access data whenever they want also allows criminals not in the police to do it too, so it's really double the threat
this too, basically internet gestapo

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
the Assistance and Access Bill deliberately creates vulnerabilities in honest online communications

AbortRetryFail
Jan 17, 2007

No more Mr. Nice Gaius

Encryption backdoors are a ridiculously stupid idea pushed ever forward by people that are ignorant re: actual criminal activity, people that don't care that want to sound tough on crime / terrorism, and people that actually do understand what it's dangers but just want the power regardless. There's no right for the government to listen in on everything that is said, and communication is obviously migrating to the internet from all other forms. Installing backdoors is essentially unregulated wiretapping that can be done by anyone that knows how, and there's no way of knowing where it's going to end up taking us. The only thing that is certain is it will be abused.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.
If the FBI couldn't compel apple (I know they withdrew) then I don't see these chucklefucks having more luck.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

bowmore posted:

No, they are voting on it next week

i’m surprised nobody else here is talking about one of the most dangerous bills about to be passed

I don't watch anime so have nothing to fear

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I think breaking the security of the entire internet to stop three jackass dumbshits getting a .22 rifle for Allah is loving stupid and I'm ringing Tim Watts today to tell him it's loving stupid.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

hidys posted:

I know I know marginal seat polling but still....

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/1069921980248248320

If the ALP really cared about the number of women in parliament they wouldn't try to throw a female Lib out.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

JBP posted:

I think breaking the security of the entire internet to stop three jackass dumbshits getting a .22 rifle for Allah is loving stupid and I'm ringing Tim Watts today to tell him it's loving stupid.

Wouldn't the party room have already voted on this?

teacup
Dec 20, 2006

= M I L K E R S =
I’d try to call my local MP but I live in Menzies so it’s Kevin loving Andrews. Not much good it’ll do.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Labor is loving terrified of an election on national security so is green flagging everything the Coalition does in order to *Checks notes*

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

is there a 2018 update on the goose wagon

AgentF
May 11, 2009
It's a beautiful swan now

TheMightyHandful
Dec 8, 2008

Its cooked

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

It’s cool that Labor’s principled position on privacy is that only the Feds should be allowed to read your private messages, not state police

Intoluene
Jul 6, 2011

Activating self-destruct sequence!
Fun Shoe
I'll be contacting my MP when I can. She's a pretty low ranking backbencher but Dobell is a marginal seat.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

BBJoey posted:

It’s cool that Labor’s principled position on privacy is that only the Feds should be allowed to read your private messages, not state police

It makes more sense that letting state plods use the system since federal cops deal with the "terrorist" messages in question. It's still dumb and stupid but loving *screeching Jim Sterling voice* "mums and dads" whoever they are must be appeased.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

hambeet posted:

Wouldn't the party room have already voted on this?
they are debating in the next couple of days

im alan jones
Feb 1, 2009

the muhammad ali of radio

those centre alliance shitheads are gonna make it even easier to discriminate against lgbt peeps

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

don't say peeps please

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

Jonah Galtberg posted:

don't say peeps please

Srsly?

im alan jones
Feb 1, 2009

the muhammad ali of radio

Jonah Galtberg posted:

don't say peeps please

peeps

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi5Or5yfjdo

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

norp posted:

Srsly?

srsly

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

i identify as a marshmallow chick.

monkeu
Jun 1, 2000

by Reene
https://twitter.com/firstdogonmoon/status/1069931546600034305?s=21

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Not really news, but landlords/ladies are garbage people:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/05/most-australian-renters-live-in-homes-in-need-of-repair-report-finds

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009


somehow more verbose than his awful drawings. brevity dude, brevity

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JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I don't know anyone that's been evicted for no reason or run into any issues renting personally, but I definitely have a couple of repairs that need to be done. I am simply too lazy to contact the agent while simultaneously too busy to go and sit at home all day waiting for some jackass to reattach a bathroom rod. I wish they'd give an idea of the kind of people/homes/areas that are seeing renters punted willy nilly and whether the fear is real or concocted. I've always been amazed at stuff like employees not wanting to raise basic things for fear of getting sacked or disciplined when there is a 0% chance of that outcome happening.

Oh yeah and the last tradie that was meant to come and fix a roof leak cancelled five times. The one that's meant to patch the roof this time has cancelled 3 times, twice at short notice after I'd arranged to be at home.

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