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BarbarianElephant posted:While none of the "cool kids" want to deal with the issue because it would interfere with their edgy memes, murdering 3 million people (the 1%) wouldn't be Very Nice. Beyond the thing about the 1% being smaller then that, what the hell kind of line of arguing is this? I'm not going to be suddenly more sympathetic towards a group just because goons might be part of that group. Like there might be plenty of goons who have lived privileged lives, but it doesn't change the nature of the problems of privilege, and in this circumstance, the issues of wealth disparity on our society. e: Cat tax, my cat from a few years old post in the black cats thread since I don't have anything else on hand; 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/AshAgony/status/1070252788041613313 He cant be let out of jail. Its clear he literally wants to kill democrats and still wants to. He is a “dangerously stupid” chud and he will be back behind the wheel if he ever gets out. Put him in a hole. Use him as an example. If you use your car to kill protestors, be ready for murder 1 charges.
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Unormal posted:Jesus loving christ was this literally like 10 pages of "actually obama (dems) bad"?
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Condiv posted:what does healing divisions even mean in this context? what is it you're hoping for with "healing divisions"? Well yea, it's apparent now that the Republican party is long past the point of having any good faith or intentions, and any negotiation would just be fruitless. But there was a time where being able to get bipartisan support for meaningful change was a possibility.
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spunkshui posted:He cant be let out of jail. he is never gonna get out and he will almost certainly get either life imprison or death.
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it's probably not literally possible to be president of the United States and not have to do awful poo poo, as we are an awful country who only serves the interests of the rich and powerful. even FDR had to do incredibly lovely things.
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this is pages ago but Trump seriously wears glasses? I cannot recall seeing any picture pre or post election where this is the case and that is loving hilarious. Who the gently caress cares grandpa?
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Dec 5, 2018 22:02
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Dec 5, 2018 22:03
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He was still "there", just not, you know, "alive."
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Dec 5, 2018 22:04
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theblackw0lf posted:Well yea, it's apparent now that the Republican party is long past the point of having any good faith or intentions, and any negotiation would just be fruitless.  we're talking about the party of nixon, newt gingrich, reagan, cheney, george w bush, george h. w. bush, karl rove, and more. they haven't had "good intentions" since well before I was born, and probably didn't have good intentions for even longer than that. And what makes you think the republicans have been good faith operators in decades if not a century?
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did you look in the box?
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what is that tweet even trying to say. "really makes u think", but about politics?
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Oh no, he is there! He's just got special seating accommodations because of his health condition. 
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Condiv posted:
they haven't had good intentions since the 50s at best.
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theblackw0lf posted:Well yea, it's apparent now that the Republican party is long past the point of having any good faith or intentions, and any negotiation would just be fruitless. Yeah, but you're making it sound like people thought it was possible in 2008. Mitch McConnell made it clear that Republicans weren't going to work with Obama. I remember complaints in 2010 that Obama needed to stop with the bipartisan nonsense. The "bipartisan" days probably died with Newt in 1994 and a lot of people knew that during Obama's first term. Idk why Obama stuck to it but it's actually bad that he did and not something deserving of praise. e: not to mention that bipartisanship with the GOP is bad.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he is never gonna get out and he will almost certainly get either life imprison or death. you're right but don't act like this is a no-brainer, remember before this when BLM protests were taking off multiple still sitting lawmakers at state AND federal levels supported the idea of making it legal to do literally this to protesters on the road. The only saving grace here is the first real actionable national level test of 'should we let dipshits just do a murder if there's a protest hurting his feelings' happened to involve a white woman as the victim.
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I think one of the things we have to confront is that the Executive branch, and the government as a whole, is basically designed such that even an actual decent human being is probably going to come out the other end having done a lot of bad poo poo. The amount of power available for a President to wield in the foreign policy and military realms is massive, and the number of establishment voices calling for its use for this thing or that thing is similarly huge. Everything is basically designed to force the President to continue imperialistic interests while thinking they're accomplishing some small good as part of it. Drone strikes, for example - with the benefit of distance from the office we can see that these are counterproductive, almost always cause mass casualties of civilians, are fundamentally anti-democratic, etc. But occupying the office, I think, changes the calculus, and not for the better. Instead, it's: "this terrorist is probably there, and we think he's planning something, and we think we can limit casualties if we strike at this time, and this is the tool we have for the job." Same thing goes for trying to enforce "friendly" governments in Latin America, for example. It's not like that's a thing Obama ran on. But I'm sure it was presented up the chain to the State Department by the career guys that, you know, here's the consequences if we don't do this, there might be blowback but we can handle that, this is a job where you have Tough Decisions in front of you, etc. And so the Tough Decisions get made, and the consequences for those countries and their people never really get addressed, because there's another Tough Decision to be made. These decisions are, of course, always made in the passive voice, and the victims' suffering is always judged as Acceptable but vaguely regrettable, whether they are or not. (It is basically never acceptable, of course, but it is always judged in the world of government as though it is.) This is neither to say that we should absolve Obama for the things he got very, very wrong (we shouldn't), nor that we shouldn't try to find a way to stop the use of drones and stop trying to topple governments just for what boils down to capital interests. But I think the problems go far beyond just trying to get the right person in the office. Obama wasn't up to the task of refusing to make Tough Decisions. He failed. But history seems to show that almost no President is. The real heavy lifting is to find a way to try to change the character of the Presidency and the Executive as a whole, rather than hoping we can find someone with the character to not use the tools shown to them. And that probably means getting Congress to take its own role seriously, for starters.
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Condiv posted:what does healing divisions even mean in this context? what is it you're hoping for with "healing divisions"? Remember when a black man got arrested because his front door was jammed, and then Obama invited him and the arresting officer to the White House to have a beer together, and it was hailed as a breakthrough in racial reconciliation and a victory for unity & understanding?
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:this is pages ago but Trump seriously wears glasses? I cannot recall seeing any picture pre or post election where this is the case and that is loving hilarious. Who the gently caress cares grandpa? It would objectively make him look more presidential and less ridiculous. Dude cannot stop self-owning with every fibre of his being.
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I don't know about you, but this is a hell of a deal. BRB gotta withdraw $750 from the bank. https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status/1070422286916874241
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I'm the drinks with Milo(you're buying)
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Main Paineframe posted:Remember when a black man got arrested because his front door was jammed, and then Obama invited him and the arresting officer to the White House to have a beer together, and it was hailed as a breakthrough in racial reconciliation and a victory for unity & understanding? remember when he wore a tan suit and sean hannity lost his mind for days. what a world.
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A little bit curious what those ring/text tones say Also why I have to pay $750 for a free pack of them
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Holy poo poo that's $750 PER MONTH!! 
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandstripes/status/1070294717210869761 Eagerly awaiting the first President to be Trolled by Gritty. Oxyclean posted:Beyond the thing about the 1% being smaller then that, what the hell kind of line of arguing is this? I'm not going to be suddenly more sympathetic towards a group just because goons might be part of that group. Like there might be plenty of goons who have lived privileged lives, but it doesn't change the nature of the problems of privilege, and in this circumstance, the issues of wealth disparity on our society. If you are a 1%er come thru like a g.
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Remember when he's not the loving President anymore so who gives a poo poo?
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https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1070401011767013377 Yeah, he’s running.
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Your Taint posted:Holy poo poo that's $750 PER MONTH!! Dude's got legal bills to pay.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandstripes/status/1070294717210869761 He criticized the quality of football in this game during the campaign.
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Your Taint posted:I don't know about you, but this is a hell of a deal. BRB gotta withdraw $750 from the bank. For the low low price of $750 I will record a personalized video calling you a white devil!!!
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:remember when he wore a tan suit and sean hannity lost his mind for days. what a world. The spicy dijon thing was still the best because it showed how amazing a Grey Poupon ad campaign from thirty years ago was that people thought that was some highfalutin rich folks only condiment and not a mass produced ~$3 thing you can buy in any supermarket like ketchup or whatever. Like when the one limo pulls up to the other and the guy asks the neighboring driver if they have any grey poupon, folks literally thought that was live footage.
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Fraction Jackson posted:I think one of the things we have to confront is that the Executive branch, and the government as a whole, is basically designed such that even an actual decent human being is probably going to come out the other end having done a lot of bad poo poo.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1070401011767013377 It wouldn’t surprise me if he ran, but he’s also exactly the Dem Texas needs right now. Elected official or not he is still motivating the party in the state. With any luck he’ll continue to do so for years to come.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean, even i still believe in the principles, even if america doesn't and never has. I just believe we can't trust the other side to do the right thing so gently caress them. because what the gently caress is left if you abandon the lie. I'm at this point myself. I realize a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and a sham, but the ideals and principles are there, even if we have never truly lived up to them. I always felt like the USA was becoming a better country gradually throughout my lifetime, at least a little. When Trump and this abomination of the GOP took over everything, that hope faded. I think a lot of Americans can't live with the idea that it's all a lie, so we delude ourselves into thinking otherwise. Because like you said, when you know all of it is a lie, what is left? If we can hope to actually start living up to the ideals in some near future, isn't that all we have? 
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theblackw0lf posted:Well yea, it's apparent now that the Republican party is long past the point of having any good faith or intentions, and any negotiation would just be fruitless. He really wanted to get bipartisan support for meaningful change to social security
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Retro42 posted:It wouldn’t surprise me if he ran, but he’s also exactly the Dem Texas needs right now. Elected official or not he is still motivating the party in the state. With any luck he’ll continue to do so for years to come. He’s not beating Cornyn.
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Condiv posted:i don't disagree with any of this, but I still think obama should have tried. trying and failing is better than not trying imo You could be right about this. I don't know. My opinion is that Obamacare showed a lot of conservative, underclass Americans that they could improve their quality of life with medicine. They are still massive, racist jerks and have been kicking and screaming about Obamacare ever since but just the idea that the government take care of its people has taken hold to the point where right-wing politicians have begun actively telling 180 degree, bald lies to their constituents to the effect of, 'we're going to get you healthcare!' I think some in the centrist camp warmed to the idea too, though that might be because the PPACA actively propped up medical and insurance companies. It's often hard to tell because the ideological battle our people are facing is often different than the ideological battle our government is performing.
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