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TulliusCicero posted:I'm at this point myself. I realize a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and a sham, but the ideals and principles are there, even if we have never truly lived up to them. I always felt like the USA was becoming a better country gradually throughout my lifetime, at least a little. You can imagine better ideals yourself and justify them based on the material improvements it will deliver to people's lives. American "ideals" are fine i guess (I think we're talking about the same ideals), but they're intrinsically tied to "because the founding fathers said so," which is terrible and cultlike and is destroying the world.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1070427101445140492 It worked in Portugal, and is doing wonders in Seattle. Legalizing heroin would lead to people not being afraid of getting their drugs tested. It's also encourages people to get treatment that would otherwise be too afraid to stick their necks out. Decriminalization is a very positive step in combating opioid addiction.
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1070427101445140492 We've been in Afganistan for almost 2 decades, might as well get something good out of it 
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FizFashizzle posted:It worked in Portugal, and is doing wonders in Seattle. Yes, but this isn't saying to decriminalize heroin, its saying to turn it into another prescribed opioid. It also doesn't make any of the arguments put forward in this thread, its just Fentanyl sucks and kills people, rehab doesn't work. Like this is the conclusion where it goes from just talking about how bad Fentanyl is and then it gets to this quote:Drug policy involves an uncomfortable tradeoff: The easier you make it to continue a drug habit, the more addicts you will have. That’s why the law forbids doctors from prescribing most opiates simply to maintain addictions. And why policies such as needle exchange, supervised injection and methadone maintenance have always been controversial. Most people don’t want addiction made safer or easier; they want it stopped, cold. Ted Cruz has continued to try to grow his beard https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1070429012512657409 The Glumslinger fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Dec 5, 2018 |
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Giggy posted:You can imagine better ideals yourself and justify them based on the material improvements it will deliver to people's lives. American "ideals" are fine i guess (I think we're talking about the same ideals), but they're intrinsically tied to "because the founding fathers said so," which is terrible and cultlike and is destroying the world. Oh no, I'm talking about the nation of immigrants, melting pot of the world, liberty and justice for everyone stuff. The Founding Fathers cult needs to go away forever, because there are many stupid Americans who treat them like they were gods.
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Your Taint posted:I don't know about you, but this is a hell of a deal. BRB gotta withdraw $750 from the bank. Hmmm... $750 to have a direct line to call Milo a kiddie diddling dipshit and spam goatse at him on as many times as I can before he blocks me? Ooo, don’t temp me, Milo...
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FizFashizzle posted:It worked in Portugal, and is doing wonders in Seattle. Or we could put the dealers against the wall and then give the users free healthcare, rehabilitation and housing.
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FizFashizzle posted:It worked in Portugal, and is doing wonders in Seattle. Legalizing it is one-hundred percent the correct choice.
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Everyone who has ever existed or ever will exist is an evil monster. Can we move on to the next discussion now?
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So what's the consensus here on Beto's actual policy positions? I get real Obama vibes from him and not in a good way.
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nine-gear crow posted:Hmmm... $750 to have a direct line to call Milo a kiddie diddling dipshit and spam goatse at him on as many times as I can before he blocks me? It would be fun to see some crowdsourced trolling but it's still better for him to not get the money and spend the rest of his life offline scrubbing gender-neutral toilets or whatever.
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FizFashizzle posted:It worked in Portugal, and is doing wonders in Seattle. I'm pretty sure clean Heroin or opium has fewer damaging side effects than all the other crazy hard drugs. I've been arguing this lately amongst friends: Why is Heroin (I usually say opium) unacceptable and alcohol is not. I usually discuss this by laying out my theory that addiction is sometimes more of a situational thing than even a medical one.
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Katt posted:Or we could put the dealers against the wall and then give the users free healthcare, rehabilitation and housing. Most people dealing heroin are supporting their own addiction. The Glumslinger posted:Yes, but this isn't saying to decriminalize heroin, its saying to turn it into another prescribed opioid oh, gotcha. Well even that isn't a terrible idea assuming an increase of quality. Most of the people we saw at work overdosed because something was in their heroin that usually isn't there.
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Your Taint posted:I don't know about you, but this is a hell of a deal. BRB gotta withdraw $750 from the bank. Can I gently caress with him and buy it on behalf of someone else? So then he would have to call Michael Avenatti every year and wish him a happy birthday?
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Condiv posted:what does healing divisions even mean in this context? what is it you're hoping for with "healing divisions"? You don't heal gangrene, you amputate. There are groups in this country where the best we can hope for it to prevent them from infecting others with their hateful ideology.
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Nixon supported a health care plan that is more progressive than what we have now Bush the first signed the Disability Act and revised Clean Air Act Hell even Bush the second increased Aids funding to Africa and supported some clean energy proposals. If the Republican party that existed under Bush the 1st or Clinton existed under Obama, we probably would have seen more infrastructure and clean energy spending, just as a start. Even the Republican party under GWB would have supported some of Obama's proposals. You are right that though that there were signs leading up to Obama's presidency that the Republican party that existed in congress was much more partisan than the past.
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Unzip and Attack posted:So what's the consensus here on Beto's actual policy positions? I get real Obama vibes from him and not in a good way. Largely an empty suit who’s to the right of Obama on certain issues like banking regulations.
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JasonV posted:Can I gently caress with him and buy it on behalf of someone else? So then he would have to call Michael Avenatti every year and wish him a happy birthday? For free I will make a video telling goons not to give Milo any loving money goddamn
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haveblue posted:It would be fun to see some crowdsourced trolling but it's still better for him to not get the money and spend the rest of his life offline scrubbing gender-neutral toilets or whatever. What I want to know is, do you still get all those rewards if you just pay for one month and then immediately delete or suspend the pledge? Is Milo legally obligated to call you and have dinner with you in a fancy restaurant even if you only paid him the one time and he knows you’re going to show up to the table armed with an air horn and a giant poster board saying MILO IS A PEDOPHILE with an arrow pointing directly at him? Of course the answer is no, Milo’s a grifting coward and would find any way he could to weasel out of it, but oooh the trolling potential is still immense...
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The only reason anyone should donate money to Milo is if hes necking himself live on Twitch.
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Koalas Massacre posted:For free I will make a video telling goons not to give Milo any loving money goddamn Do it for the exposure. Really get your name out there in the goon community.
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TulliusCicero posted:I'm at this point myself. I realize a lot of it is smoke and mirrors and a sham, but the ideals and principles are there, even if we have never truly lived up to them. I always felt like the USA was becoming a better country gradually throughout my lifetime, at least a little. but if we just say "gently caress it, nothing matters, don't even try" and the answer isn't some littlefinger esc acceleration bullshit where we just let it all burn and hope some of us come out on top because "well everyone is poo poo". i think if we get a good candidate who can be progressive and hopeful, trump is hosed, the GOP is pretty hosed in general, there sole idea now is just to appeal to facists and psychos and no one else, that isn't a sign of strength. its a sign of desperation, they are losing the numbers game and trump has ripped off the human face most of these ghouls try to wear. we swept the house on the line of progressive ideals/policy and gently caress trump. it can win.
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Giggy posted:I'm pretty sure clean Heroin or opium has fewer damaging side effects than all the other crazy hard drugs. I've been arguing this lately amongst friends: Why is Heroin (I usually say opium) unacceptable and alcohol is not. I usually discuss this by laying out my theory that addiction is sometimes more of a situational thing than even a medical one. Heroin is absolutely worse than alcohol and fucks up your brain chemistry in ways that are extremely hard if not impossible to unfuck.
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Koalas Massacre posted:For free I will make a video telling goons not to give Milo any loving money goddamn
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theblackw0lf posted:Nixon supported a health care plan that is more progressive than what we have now i think during those days, there were still flickers of bipartisan decorum and going with the flow because they can get poo poo out of it at some point. but fox news and Obama winning broke the parties brain hard.
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Hot take: Don't give a nazi pedo any money. Even to "own the cons"
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Giggy posted:I'm pretty sure clean Heroin or opium has fewer damaging side effects than all the other crazy hard drugs. I've been arguing this lately amongst friends: Why is Heroin (I usually say opium) unacceptable and alcohol is not. I usually discuss this by laying out my theory that addiction is sometimes more of a situational thing than even a medical one. Yeah heroin/opium are actually really benign except for the addictive property. Like sugar is worse for you, never mind alcohol which is awful. From what I know though opiate addiction is more demanding on the user than casual alcohol use. Think nicotine. That said opiate addiction even to clean benign opiates is problematic - primarily because they’re illegal yes, but that’s unlikely to change soon on any grand scale. So then you end up with the current synthetic opioids coming in and people dying.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Heroin is absolutely worse than alcohol and fucks up your brain chemistry in ways that are extremely hard if not impossible to unfuck. Can you provide a link to cite this - honestly curious because I’ve read the opposite.
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Zero_Grade posted:What do I get for the tier in-between this one and the "personalized white devil video"? A handwritten letter calling you an rear end in a top hat
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Dapper_Swindler posted:but if we just say "gently caress it, nothing matters, don't even try" and the answer isn't some littlefinger esc acceleration bullshit where we just let it all burn and hope some of us come out on top because "well everyone is poo poo". i think if we get a good candidate who can be progressive and hopeful, trump is hosed, the GOP is pretty hosed in general, there sole idea now is just to appeal to facists and psychos and no one else, that isn't a sign of strength. its a sign of desperation, they are losing the numbers game and trump has ripped off the human face most of these ghouls try to wear. we swept the house on the line of progressive ideals/policy and gently caress trump. it can win. This I agree with yeah. I think the time has finally come where we can run on truly progressive policies and candidates.
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squirrelzipper posted:Can you provide a link to cite this - honestly curious because I’ve read the opposite. Same. And I know it's anecdotal, but I've had a better time hanging out with heroin addicts than alcoholics.
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TulliusCicero posted:This I agree with yeah. I think the time has finally come where we can run on truly progressive policies and candidates. i mean like i said, we won the house on that kinda stuff. the monsters who ran on killing our healthcare got loving stomped.
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The Glumslinger posted:Yes, but this isn't saying to decriminalize heroin, its saying to turn it into another prescribed opioid. It also doesn't make any of the arguments put forward in this thread, its just Fentanyl sucks and kills people, rehab doesn't work. Like this is the conclusion where it goes from just talking about how bad Fentanyl is and then it gets to this huh, he actually looks less appalling now
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The Glumslinger posted:Ted Cruz has continued to try to grow his beard Y'all remember when Paul Ryan grew a beard and the right threw a shitfit and accused him of being ISIS?
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