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SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

The SNES/NES Classic were both well made, worthwhile products that represented the original games quite well, about equal to a homebrew solution on similar hardware. The Playstation Classic just doesn't have the same level of quality or care put into it.

I also get why a Pi isn't for everyone as they can absolutely be a pain in the rear end to set up, but when official products can't hit the same standard as a hobbyist project it just reeks of lack of effort.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The people making these pointless "nostalgia consoles", also known as hunks of plastic that are going to rot unused in someone's drawer as monuments to pollution and excess consumption, deserve a place in hell.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

steinrokkan posted:

The people making these pointless "nostalgia consoles", also known as hunks of plastic that are going to rot unused in someone's drawer as monuments to pollution and excess consumption, deserve a place in hell.

Tell us how you really feel

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
I love brands

uvar
Jul 25, 2011

Avoid breathing
radioactive dust.
College Slice
I was looking forward to these mini consoles because I never had any as a kid and would be willing to pay to experience classic games with no effort on my part... but the games just look old, I haven't heard of half of them, and I don't have any nostalgia for the rest :shrug: There's probably a theoretical PS1/Xbox Classic I would love but oh well. Oh, and that "DOS Classic" kickstarter if it wasn't doomed to fail.

Trying to remember a game brought up this vaguely-related file: the best magazine cover disc I ever got

Disc 1 demos: Age of Empires 2, Battlezone 2, Deus Ex, Doom, Half-Life, Indijones'n'fernalmachine, Lemmings Revolution, Myth 2, Pharaoh, Quake 1/2/3, System Shock 2, Unreal Tournament, Wolfenstein 3D, Worms Armageddon
Disc 2 demos: C&C Tiberian Sun, Comanche Gold, Dark Forces 2, Diablo, Nuke Dukem 3D, Curse of Monkey Island, Descent 2, Grand Prix Legends, Ground Control, Hidden & Dangerous, Homeworld, Motocross Madness 2, Re-Volt!, StarCraft, Tomb Raider 1/2/3/4, Total Annihilation, X-Wing V Tie Fighter, Warcraft II

Not perfect in hindsight but pretty much all hits. This was 2000, we were out in the sticks so if we had dial-up then it was mediocre. I must have lived off those discs for months.

Oh and some neat predictions for the future of gaming in the magazine's "brief history of PC gaming":
  • More powerful 3D cards, physics models, real-time lighting, ray tracing
  • Voice recognition in all kinds of games, ushering in a new age of conversational adventure games
  • VR won't come back, 30-40" screens will be the norm
  • Force-feedback mice and gloves (what the hell, FF mice were a thing)
  • Multiplayer games, online multiplayer, always-on multiplayer where the units contact you via ICQ when they're under attack

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
It’s true.

Most of those games are amongst the greatest of all time.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

I can't recall pharaoh at all and only vaguely remember ground control but yeah.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Seeing Motocross Madness reminded me how much I loved all of the "* Madness" series. Midtown Madness 1 and 2 were great fun. I remember playing Monster Truck Madness online against other people in the MSN Gaming Zone or whatever it was called.

THAT reminded me that I also owned a paid copy of Kali (http://www.kali.net/) that I would use to play Duke Nukem against other idiots on dial up over a faked IPX connection across the planet. It sucked but its all I had.

Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

uvar posted:


[*]Force-feedback mice and gloves (what the hell, FF mice were a thing)


I had one of those mice...

For desktop stuff it was pretty poo poo but it worked with some games and that was a different story.
Playing COD1 & being able to feel the impact of explosions & the firing of your gun was amazing, Unreal Tournament supported it too.

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer
Reminds me, I had a purely optical mouse in the early 90s that used a metal mousepad with a grid of dots on it for tracking. Worked great as long as the you kept the mouse and the mousepad aligned. Turn the mouse a few degrees and it would track sideways.

edit: I say purely optical because at that time the apple mice were machanical-optical, with a spoked wheel that would pass in front of an ir "eye" inside when you moved it.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

edit: I say purely optical because at that time the apple mice were machanical-optical, with a spoked wheel that would pass in front of an ir "eye" inside when you moved it.

...like every ball mouse ever made....?

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer

Qwijib0 posted:

...like every ball mouse ever made....?

Didn't know if I needed to specify. I assumed some were purely mechanical.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

Reminds me, I had a purely optical mouse in the early 90s that used a metal mousepad with a grid of dots on it for tracking. Worked great as long as the you kept the mouse and the mousepad aligned. Turn the mouse a few degrees and it would track sideways.

edit: I say purely optical because at that time the apple mice were machanical-optical, with a spoked wheel that would pass in front of an ir "eye" inside when you moved it.

Oh god, those Sun mice.

The metal mousepad was ALMOST square, and the grid was ALMOST the same spacing horizontal and vertical. So it was super easy to get the mousepad rotated 90 degrees and then everything was all fucky

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
We were still using those optical mice at work until about 6 months ago when we "upgraded" to ball mice.

We have an old Sun 3/260 which has a Motorola 68020 at 25MHz. It works fine, and it's still used in production 24/7.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Old Sun hardware was great, I wish it was still around in some form

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Motocross Madness

I still have the discs for Motocross Madness 1 & 2. I install them once every 3 or 4 years just to dick around on the stunt courses.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Qwijib0 posted:

...like every ball mouse ever made....?

Is that what the rollers did?

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer

0toShifty posted:

We were still using those optical mice at work until about 6 months ago when we "upgraded" to ball mice.

We have an old Sun 3/260 which has a Motorola 68020 at 25MHz. It works fine, and it's still used in production 24/7.

My Mac LC had a 68020. i upgraded it with an FPU card because there was some sprite based shooter game that was really cool that wouldn't run without it. I don't remember the name of the game though. I played the hell out of some Sky Shadow back then though. Sound effects that weren't bleeps and bloops blew my mind.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


Fallom posted:

Is that what the rollers did?

Yes, the rollers turn optical encoding discs.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



0toShifty posted:

We were still using those optical mice at work until about 6 months ago when we "upgraded" to ball mice.

We have an old Sun 3/260 which has a Motorola 68020 at 25MHz. It works fine, and it's still used in production 24/7.

If you ever retire the Sun, PM me

TotalLossBrain
Oct 20, 2010

Hier graben!

Pham Nuwen posted:

If you ever retire the Sun, PM me

Check in about 5 billion years.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



TotalLossBrain posted:

Check in about 5 billion years.

:sbahj:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




TotalLossBrain posted:

Check in about 5 billion years.

He’s talking about the computer, fyi

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

He’s talking about the computer, fyi

What's your point?

Queen Combat
Dec 29, 2017

Lipstick Apathy

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

He’s talking about the computer, fyi

Yes and?

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




My pint is that the sun computer will last 5 billion years. drat goons.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007


About that part 2

https://twitter.com/AlphaFoxWarfare/status/1070350442788466688

That line up is loving incredible

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Testing doesn't necessarily mean working. Considering that a third of the games they did release on the system barely work, I think it is safe to say that most of those weren't worth getting the licences for.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




The hilarious part is the the snes classic runs PlayStation games better than the PlayStation classic

Barudak
May 7, 2007

The fact they tested Mr. Driller G and then gave us Mr. Driller is loving garbage.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
Lol paying any money for PS1 games in 2018, hell dimension indeed.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free
sony is so god drat bad at everything lmao

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Sony is weirdly good at some things. I have one of their voice recorders from a couple years back. It's a thoughtfully designed device that reflects a heritage of portable voice recording equipment in the Sony line. In the 1980's my dad bought one of their microcassette recorders, and it was this squared-off, elegantly designed tank of a thing, and this boring little recorder echoes some of the design and many of the features: slow-down, on-device editing, labeling, and so forth. It understands that it isn't a consumer toy but a device potentially for work, so you can swap out the memory card and the rechargeable AAA battery it runs on with no trouble and no niche shopping. The USB connector slides out of a little trap door in the bottom and secures itself with a little click so that it doesn't slide back in when you try to plug it into a computer.

It includes Windows software that will recognize all new audio files on it, just copy those, then let you do some basic editing and normalization with a pop-out thing that visualizes the levels of what you're recording. It then lets you load music on the thing and will even fetch podcasts to put on the device for you. So if you want to, you can use it as a music and podcast player. This software will run without the device, and is free to download, and the device will function perfectly without the software. There is no storefront full of bullshit apps built into the software.

These features all work about how you'd want. This is a thoroughly unsexy device that does nothing special, but does it all well. There isn't a thing this voice recorder does that doesn't have a practical use, and there's nothing missing that I'd want, unless I want a literal upgrade to the device itself. It's not the cheapest nor most expensive thing on the market. It's old school Sony.

What I'm saying is let the 60 year old men who designed this voice recorder build a dumb retro console, I wanna see how that looks.

doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 20:04 on Dec 6, 2018

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



doctorfrog posted:

Sony is weirdly good at some things. I have one of their voice recorders from a couple years back. It's a thoughtfully designed device that reflects a heritage of portable voice recording equipment in the Sony line. In the 1980's my dad bought one of their microcassette recorders, and it was this squared-off, elegantly designed tank of a thing, and this boring little recorder echoes some of the design and many of the features: slow-down, on-device editing, labeling, and so forth. It understands that it isn't a consumer toy but a device potentially for work, so you can swap out the memory card and the rechargeable AAA battery it runs on with no trouble and no niche shopping. The USB connector slides out of a little trap door in the bottom and secures itself with a little click so that it doesn't slide back in when you try to plug it into a computer.

It includes Windows software that will recognize all new audio files on it, just copy those, then let you do some basic editing and normalization with a pop-out thing that visualizes the levels of what you're recording. It then lets you load music on the thing and will even fetch podcasts to put on the device for you. So if you want to, you can use it as a music and podcast player. This software will run without the device, and is free to download, and the device will function perfectly without the software. There is no storefront full of bullshit apps built into the software.

These features all work about how you'd want. This is a thoroughly unsexy device that does nothing special, but does it all well. There isn't a thing this voice recorder does that doesn't have a practical use, and there's nothing missing that I'd want, unless I want a literal upgrade to the device itself. It's not the cheapest nor most expensive thing on the market. It's old school Sony.

What I'm saying is let the 60 year old men who designed this voice recorder build a dumb retro console, I wanna see how that looks.

well don't leave us hanging, now that you've sold me on this recorder you better share the model.

Laslow
Jul 18, 2007
I use Sony headphones from the late 80's and they still sell them new.

You can do better than MDR-V6/7506's but you're gonna end up paying a lot more for an appreciable jump in quality. They're still the standard issue equipment for broadcasting because they're built like a tank, sound good and are less than $100. They're some of the best studio monitors around too since their sound profile is the most neutral you can get.

Audiophiles will poo poo on them because they're not $350, but they might be better for that purpose since most albums are mixed and mastered with them, so you're getting the exact product that the studio intended for you to hear.

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

doctorfrog posted:

Sony is weirdly good at some things. I have one of their voice recorders from a couple years back...

Alternatively, some of the old Sony voice recorders that were in use in my department this year could only be accessed via software that would only work on Windows XP. I told them to throw them away as it would be better to use their own phone than that pain in the arse.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Here's some more things I found at Bookmans this week, that, if you are able to identify them, will make you feel old like me.

Because we are.

Ooooooooooooooooollllllld.





The Commodore 128, in it's original box, with a monitor, keyboard, mouse and disk drive, also in their original boxes, in working order, was the best thing I saw yesterday.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe

Gonz posted:


The Commodore 128, in it's original box, with a monitor, keyboard, mouse and disk drive, also in their original boxes, in working order, was the best thing I saw yesterday.

I was about to ask which bookman's then I saw the price. :eyepop:

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Pham Nuwen posted:

well don't leave us hanging, now that you've sold me on this recorder you better share the model.

Mine is an ICD-UX533. I like it for having the AAA battery, but there are newer, slimmer Sony's that are probably better and sleeker and rechargable and all those good things.

Sony's perfectly capable of making bad personal electronics, of course. I went several hundred dollars into Minidisc, and am all too aware of the idiotic choices they made with Sonicstage and all... although I bet Sony's music arm had something to do with that. But even in those cases the hardware was still decent.

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Queen Combat
Dec 29, 2017

Lipstick Apathy
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