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Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

lol at this loving govt

# ? Dec 6, 2018 07:40

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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Moon Atari posted:

They need to get rid of the home affairs portfolio. It is ridiculous that we have this constant churn of new national security laws being introduced without any successful organized terror plot to justify why more is necessary. There isn't any popular demand for any of this stuff. It seems more like the lnp are proposing increasingly ridiculous or open to abuse laws to try and goad labor into rejecting one so that they can claim they are soft on terrorists.

:yes:

# ? Dec 6, 2018 07:41

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

Just don't ask him if he has stairs in his house.

Nah they installed a ramp in the senate.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:03

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

Why is everything so poo poo right now?

quote:

Former Adelaide archbishop Philip Wilson is set to walk free after his conviction for concealing child sexual abuse was quashed by a judge.

....

Newcastle Local Court convicted Father Wilson in May of concealing abuse committed by paedophile priest Jim Fletcher in the Hunter Valley dating back to the 1970s.

It found that in 1976 a victim, Peter Creigh, confided in Father Wilson that he had been sexually abused, yet Father Wilson failed to report it to police when Fletcher was charged with other child sex offences in 2004.

Before overturning Father Wilson's conviction, Judge Roy Ellis said the former archbishop was honest and consistent.

"There were very honest features of his evidence to provide a strong platform for him to be an honest witness," he said.

"[He] did not attempt to blacken the name of Peter Creigh and allege he was a liar.

"He was clearly an intelligent and articulate witness.

"There is no proper basis on which I can rely to reject the evidence of [Father Wilson]."

Judge Ellis said the crown failed to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, upheld the appeal and then ordered that the clergyman be released.

At that point a Catholic clerical abuse survivor stood up in the courtroom gallery and shouted, "Bullshit, that is a disgrace".

....

In his judgment, Judge Ellis highlighted what he called inconsistencies in a Mr Creigh's evidence.

He also questioned Mr Creigh's memory in relation to the timing of his alleged conversation with Father Wilson, when he claimed he raised the alarm about Fletcher's abuse.

He also said there were inconsistencies in relation to the length of the conversation and frequency of the abuse.

"Was the duration of the abuse, six or nine months?" the judge asked.

This is such bullshit. Claiming the victim isn�t consistent about details of something that happened 40 years ago, and when you�re talking about whether something was 6 or 9 months. This is just more reason why victims don�t speak up, because they are treated like the ones on trial and predators get off free on the flimsiest of technicalities.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:07

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

Synthbuttrange posted:

lol at this loving govt

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:07

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

Newspoll Sunday :getin:

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:11

GotLag: Jul 17, 2005; 食べちゃダメだよ

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Why is everything so poo poo right now?

This is such bullshit. Claiming the victim isn�t consistent about details of something that happened 40 years ago, and when you�re talking about whether something was 6 or 9 months. This is just more reason why victims don�t speak up, because they are treated like the ones on trial and predators get off free on the flimsiest of technicalities.

Our court system should have the third verdict that Scotland has, "not proven" (we're pretty sure you did it but can't prove it)

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:12

Starshark: Dec 22, 2005; Doctor Rope

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Why is everything so poo poo right now?

This is such bullshit. Claiming the victim isn�t consistent about details of something that happened 40 years ago, and when you�re talking about whether something was 6 or 9 months. This is just more reason why victims don�t speak up, because they are treated like the ones on trial and predators get off free on the flimsiest of technicalities.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious that someone remembers with no inconsistencies exactly what happened 40 years ago?

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:13

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Don Dongington posted:

Newspoll Sunday

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:24

fiery_valkyrie: Mar 26, 2003; I'm proud of you, Bender. Sure, you lost. You lost bad. But the important thing is I beat up someone who hurt my feelings in high school.

This is a really interesting article about how being in such a traumatic situation can affect memory and how when police start from a place of disbelieving the victim it biases and hinders the investigations. It�s a very good read.

https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:24

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

I can�t remember what happened forty loving minutes ago

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:26

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

drunkill posted:

Nah they installed a ramp in the senate.

should have installed a half-pipe

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:28

CAT INTERCEPTOR: Nov 9, 2004; Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

fiery_valkyrie posted:

Why is everything so poo poo right now?

This is such bullshit. Claiming the victim isn�t consistent about details of something that happened 40 years ago, and when you�re talking about whether something was 6 or 9 months. This is just more reason why victims don�t speak up, because they are treated like the ones on trial and predators get off free on the flimsiest of technicalities.

gently caress that judge. Clearly justice hasnt been served today and a pedo enabler walks free. Absolutly disgusting

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:34

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

Michael O'Brien. Jesus Christ the Vic libs are doubling down on their not wanting to be electable strategy.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:39

hambeet: Sep 13, 2002

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:41

hidys: May 6, 2015; "Give the boys a bit of a rev up."

quote:

Centre Alliance senator Rex Patrick told Guardian Australia his party supports Labor�s amendments to the encryption bill.

Several crossbench parties suspect that Labor is now not going to move its own amendments so the encryption bill will pass this year.

Curiously, Bill Shorten and Mark Dreyfus have called a press conference � Let�s see if that�s what they�re going to announce.

Please don't do this.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:47

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/PeterDutton_MP/status/1070581736373805056

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:50

hidys: May 6, 2015; "Give the boys a bit of a rev up."

Jesus loving Christ they did it.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:50

Trapezium Dave: Oct 22, 2012

https://twitter.com/BevanShields/status/1070585862751023105

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:50

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

Shorten dropping the amendments to the encryption bill.

loving hell

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:51

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Both feet with both barrels.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:53

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

lol

who needs tech jobs anyway, we have manufacturing

uh...mining

...tourism?

real estate!

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:55

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

Solemn Sloth posted:

lol

who needs tech jobs anyway, we have manufacturing

uh...mining

...tourism?

real estate!

VICTORIAN INFRASTRUCTURE!

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:57

bowmore: Oct 6, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

Spineless Bill appears yet again

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:58

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Not spineless, just absolutely without any convictions of his own.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:59

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

tithin posted:

absolutely without any convictions of his own.

so... spineless???

# ? Dec 6, 2018 08:59

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

So are they gonna push the asylum seeker thing or do Labor just pass LNP stuff now?

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:00

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

So are they gonna push the asylum seeker thing or do Labor just pass LNP stuff now?

No, they already lost that fight. Liberals adjourned the HoR rather than allow a potential vote for it. They did this for no reason whatsoever.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:03

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

someone post van badtakes on why this is actually cool and good and actually the greens fault

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:03

Reclines Obesily: Jul 24, 2000; Hey Moona!; Slippery Tilde

quote:

�We offer to let it go forward, without the amendments which are needed...provided the government agrees on the very first sitting day, to pass the amendments we say are needed.�

So Labor will pass the bill, unamended on the proviso the government allows the amendments to go through in February.

im sure theyll honour that

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:04

Vilgefartz: Apr 29, 2013; Good ideas 4 free; Fun Shoe

So is this encryption poo poo gonna break the internet? And is there a forum somewhere where encryption buffs are explaining in deep detail why this is a bad idea? No one seems to think it's a smart move.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:04

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

How do they always manage to disappoint even when you don't expect anything from them, it's incredible

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:05

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Vilgefartz posted:

So is this encryption poo poo gonna break the internet? And is there a forum somewhere where encryption buffs are explaining in deep detail why this is a bad idea? No one seems to think it's a smart move.

asio can tell someone to assist them to break encryption under the threat of up to 10 years imprisonment if they fail to comply (and were capable of doing so) with the order, and that person is under the threat of 5 years imprisonment if they disclose the order asio gave them

once you make encryption breakable, it's going to be broken by criminal elements, guaranteed. Even if someone wasn't worried about the police state this fundamentally undermines any secure transaction or communication people want to carry out. There's no way a tech company can risk having staff in australia who would have capability of assisting asio, because the staff may be required to do so and would be prohibited from telling the company they've done it.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:06

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Knobb Manwich posted:

so... spineless???

Spineless is sort of a fair description, but not entirely accurate imo because spineless implies he has convictions but is unwilling to stand for them.

Shorten's a political weathervane / windcock. He believes what he thinks you want a political leader to believe and if the pressure from the oppo gets too much, he is willing to bend.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:07

sweetroy: May 23, 2011; thats a space bar

man i hate yall

imagine supporting labor in any capacity

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:10

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

It's not going to even get the liberals off his back or the media on his side. Bill shorten is a pathetic coward and I don't know what anidav sees in him

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:10

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY: Feb 3, 2006

Labor should definitely continue to practice bipartisanship with the party the people hate.

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:10

im alan jones: Feb 1, 2009; the muhammad ali of radio

real cool trial run of what a shorten government is gonna look like. gently caress im so mad

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:13

Vilgefartz: Apr 29, 2013; Good ideas 4 free; Fun Shoe

Solemn Sloth posted:

asio can tell someone to assist them to break encryption under the threat of up to 10 years imprisonment if they fail to comply (and were capable of doing so) with the order, and that person is under the threat of 5 years imprisonment if they disclose the order asio gave them

once you make encryption breakable, it's going to be broken by criminal elements, guaranteed. Even if someone wasn't worried about the police state this fundamentally undermines any secure transaction or communication people want to carry out. There's no way a tech company can risk having staff in australia who would have capability of assisting asio, because the staff may be required to do so and would be prohibited from telling the company they've done it.

well poo poo

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:13

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JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

gently caress this poo poo

# ? Dec 6, 2018 09:14

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