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theflyingorc posted:All opinion sections are garbage and we shouldn't have them WaPo let Jamal Khashoggi have a space in theirs and look how THAT went.
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ColonelMuttonchops posted:Hot drat, they've really been on a roll lately, haven't they. I've seen from the posting in D&D that they've always had poo poo takes, but have they ever been this unrelentingly garbage? I dunno, maybe this is just new to me, and this is actually the norm for them. Bari Weiss is literally the worst thing that has happened to journalism over the past decade.
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome AOC for God Empress 2020
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Lumpy posted:How are the people of WI not ripping them limb from limb while they do this stuff? Most people don't realize that it's happening, much less how it's going to impact their lives. That's why leftists, progressives, etc, need to organize and make sure nobody doesn't know about it.
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome I cannot believe someone this great got elected to anything in the US. Could you all please just get behind her movement in a big way and actually solve your poo poo. She sounds like a true left-wing working class progressive from the european social democratic movements of the 50's and 60's that quite literally built these northern european socialist utopias you all talk about and it's absolutely glorious. This woman is exactly what america needs and needs badly.
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome could have done without the "inspirational" music
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome Pro click right here. I teared up a bit.
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enraged_camel posted:could have done without the "inspirational" music Agreed, but otherwise it was a pretty damned good speech. Music made it saccharine.
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Lumpy posted:How are the people of WI not ripping them limb from limb while they do this stuff? Because of the ring of riot gear equipped police forming the first line
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This is assuming Trump wins 2020 which would be a disaster to undermine any glee of Pence being out. theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome Bernie sitting there like "Please god strike me dead while I'm still vaguely a leftist icon" Katt fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome Woah, she's really good. I'd not really heard her speak before - obviously her message is great, but that's a really inspirational performance, and that's a crazy potent combination.
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Mr Interweb posted:Amazingly enough, that's somehow not the absolute worst headline of the day:
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theblackw0lf posted:AOC talking about the Green New Deal. God she’s awesome Shes gonna be the goddamn president someday.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Shes gonna be the goddamn president someday. But odds are still long.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Her style of delivery is very different, but she reminds me a lot of Obama in 2004. It's definitely possible she could make a serious run for president in the future. It's a harder hill to climb from the House than the Senate, but it's more about media attention than actual credentials, and so far she is getting a lot of it. Don't we also have like 10 years before she's of the legal age to be President? Like I'm for real down with Prez AOC but it's a while before we get there.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Her style of delivery is very different, but she reminds me a lot of Obama in 2004. It's definitely possible she could make a serious run for president in the future. It's a harder hill to climb from the House than the Senate, but it's more about media attention than actual credentials, and so far she is getting a lot of it. It’ll be easier once she becomes Senator by primarying Schumer
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DiggityDoink posted:Don't we also have like 10 years before she's of the legal age to be President? Like I'm for real down with Prez AOC but it's a while before we get there. 6 years to go to be legally eligible. 45 years years to be practically eligible. On the day of her inauguration 2064 I will light a candle for all you olds who didn't live to see it.
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DiggityDoink posted:Don't we also have like 10 years before she's of the legal age to be President? Like I'm for real down with Prez AOC but it's a while before we get there. She’s 29 right now, so 2024 would be the absolute earliest since she’d turn 35 less than a month before the election. That’s assuming there’s no legal issue with a 34 year old running?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Shes 29 right now, so 2024 would be the absolute earliest since shed turn 35 less than a month before the election. You and I both know there would be a shitstorm from the Pro-Rape party.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:She’s 29 right now, so 2024 would be the absolute earliest since she’d turn 35 less than a month before the election. Pretty sure as long as you’re 35 by the day you take the oath of office, you’re eligible.
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Nice piece of fish posted:She sounds like a true left-wing working class progressive from the european social democratic movements of the 50's and 60's that quite literally built these northern european socialist utopias you all talk about and it's absolutely glorious. This woman is exactly what america needs and needs badly.
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Peter Daou Bundy posted:they took away Nixon’s abilities to launch nukes , I guarantee they took away Trumps. oh you sweet summer child
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Big Mean Jerk posted:She’s 29 right now, so 2024 would be the absolute earliest since she’d turn 35 less than a month before the election. Assuming the democrats win the White House in 2020 she’s looking at 2028 at the earliest. She’d only be eight years younger than Obama when he became president. So definitely in the realm of possibility.
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I mean from what I understand it'd be a tough sell to the media and political classes, but anything that breaks up the gerontocracy in the US is surely extremely desirable. Especially when it comes coupled with a leftist, environmentalist agenda
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She has exciting rhetoric for sure, but maybe it would be wise to see her vote on, well, anything before lionizing her.
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AOC being Pres would be super cool, but in the meantime maybe she can get experience and then boot Schumer's rear end out of the senate.
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Harik posted:How the actual gently caress did this nuclear take manage to go live? I bet you can follow that headline directly to the nazi-fellating department every loving news corp seems to employ. https://mobile.twitter.com/kroati1/status/1070356706046152706
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The focus of the media, and indeed this thread, is certainly on AOC - and it's not hard to see why; but I would dearly love to hear more about the other new congress members - what they are doing, what they are passionate about, what opportunities they are being given or are taking. I'd like to believe that it wasn't just one young, passionate, intelligent person was elected - but a whole class of them!
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I get more and more confident in my feeling that powerful people within the NYT are Nazi sympathizers. There's just too many "look this Nazi is human like you and me" stories and headlines contrasted with almost no similar level of introspective elsewhere. That is combined with their clear attitude that GOP governence is the baseline and anything that keeps that going (bullshit non crisies, what happened in WI) is fine or just business as usual. Then you get into Maggie constantly having a "it was a good week for Trump!" statement ready for when he looks weak and a literal white supremacist OPED yesterday. It has some good journalists but the leadership is incredibly questionable and frankly there are some worrisome indications.
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Radish posted:I get more and more confident in my feeling that powerful people within the NYT are Nazi sympathizers. There's just too many "look this Nazi is human like you and me" stories and headlines contrasted with almost no similar level of introspective elsewhere. That is combined with their clear attitude that GOP governence is the baseline and anything that keeps that going (bullshit non crisies, what happened in WI) is fine or just business as usual. Then you get into Maggie constantly having a "it was a good week for Trump!" statement ready for when he looks weak and a literal white supremacist OPED yesterday. That expose the Daily Beast did on Milo as he was reaching terminal velocity in his post-pedo career tailspin had a fascinating sub-plot weaved through it and that was how Access Journalists like Olivia Nuzzi worked their asses off to ingratiate themselves to Milo and become his friends despite knowing he was a toxic white supremacist. I think it is endemic to the system, they don’t know how to properly respond to actual fascists so they divide by zero mentally and try to make friends with the fascists, because Almighty Access. Maggie demands her precious Access.
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They were Nazi sympathisers back in the days of the Nazi Party, they just found better ways to hide it.
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Chuck Schumer's up for reelection in 2022. Maybe he'll retire (he'd be 72) but probably not. Gillibrand's not up until 2024, but the seat may become vacant if, y'know, some national political office gets her. Cuomo's up for reelection in 2022 also, and is probably more vulnerable to a good leftist primary challenge than Schumer. If AOC is serious about all this, being a good House member for four years and then kicking Cuomo to the curb in '22, getting some executive experience, and running for president in '24 or '28 depending on the national environment is probably the "easiest" path.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Her style of delivery is very different, but she reminds me a lot of Obama in 2004. It's definitely possible she could make a serious run for president in the future. It's a harder hill to climb from the House than the Senate, but it's more about media attention than actual credentials, and so far she is getting a lot of it. Didn’t Obama also promise a Green New Deal? 
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Radish posted:I get more and more confident in my feeling that powerful people within the NYT are Nazi sympathizers. There's just too many "look this Nazi is human like you and me" stories and headlines contrasted with almost no similar level of introspective elsewhere. That is combined with their clear attitude that GOP governence is the baseline and anything that keeps that going (bullshit non crisies, what happened in WI) is fine or just business as usual. Then you get into Maggie constantly having a "it was a good week for Trump!" statement ready for when he looks weak and a literal white supremacist OPED yesterday. See the thing is, they've always been this sort of lovely. Looking up the NYT from circa 1900-1945 proves it. I follow an account on the Twitter called 'On this Day in Nazi Germany' which is run by someone with full times historical access and they've been posting up article snippets from the run up to WWII and nothing has changed. We're up to 1938 so you can figure where things are at and just how dry the NYT is about it. They didn't have an alarming tenor about the actual loving Nazis, they're not going to have it for our dime store Nazis.
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Wouldn’t she be more effective serving in the house or senate for a few decades first? If she wins the presidency on that kind of timeline she’d basically be done with politics by her mid-40s.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Her style of delivery is very different, but she reminds me a lot of Obama in 2004. It's definitely possible she could make a serious run for president in the future. It's a harder hill to climb from the House than the Senate, but it's more about media attention than actual credentials, and so far she is getting a lot of it. She's got time to run for NY Senate and serve a term.
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Radish posted:I get more and more confident in my feeling that powerful people within the NYT are Nazi sympathizers. There's just too many "look this Nazi is human like you and me" stories and headlines contrasted with almost no similar level of introspective elsewhere. That is combined with their clear attitude that GOP governence is the baseline and anything that keeps that going (bullshit non crisies, what happened in WI) is fine or just business as usual. Then you get into Maggie constantly having a "it was a good week for Trump!" statement ready for when he looks weak and a literal white supremacist OPED yesterday. Yeah, this is my lean also at the moment. I think someone(s) in the ownership has gone full CHUD if not outright proud boy. That said sometimes you'll see jewish NYT reporters publishing some of those stories so the institutional culture must be overpowering
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Jealous Cow posted:Wouldn’t she be more effective serving in the house or senate for a few decades first? If she wins the presidency on that kind of timeline she’d basically be done with politics by her mid-40s. Political office should not be a loving profession in a Democracy and we need leaders that are relevant and still in touch with the needs of younger generations. Asking her to wait her turn until she is older plays into this stupid cultural trap that "age= experience = better at everything, suck it young folk"
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