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Voyager also has an episode where a group of Klingons cleave apart a group of Nazis so I can never fully dislike it as a series
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Kibayasu posted:The best part of the blood tests is that Sisko's dad figured out a way to beat them in like 5 seconds that the entirety of Starfleet apparently hadn't thought of. Didn't he just refuse to do them?
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He also points out that if all the shapeshifters need is blood to show that they're human, why wouldn't they just kill the first human they could and carry around their blood inside them.
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Odo: security chief/handy liquid containerBobby Deluxe posted:the worst bit of the thing game was the blood tests to see if your npcs had been infected I can't find it anymore but there's a great gif of the Alien basically shuffling around a room that works really well if you set it to "Puttin on the Ritz" this one's pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvZ8CYXucYI
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Danaru posted:Voyager also has an episode where a group of Klingons cleave apart a group of Nazis so I can never fully dislike it as a series Wherein a generic holodeck Nazi officer successfully converts the entire Hirogen race to Nazi ideology with a rousing speech.
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Voyager is at its best when its at its worst. Just don't think about anything too hard or expect too much from the writers.
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Zodiac5000 posted:He also points out that if all the shapeshifters need is blood to show that they're human, why wouldn't they just kill the first human they could and carry around their blood inside them. as odo demonstrated, he can create containers and appear to fill those containers with liquid, so the dude doing the test can appear to take blood, hold up the phial, and as long as it never breaks contact with his hand, he can choose whether the result looks like blood or shifter goo
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Bobby Deluxe posted:just made sure you replace the guy doing the tests They literally did this in the ep where the changeling on the Defiant hacked it to go start a war with another empire. He tested himself first to eliminate himself as a suspect and then it was off to the paranoia races.
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My favorite changeling scene is when one of them shows up as O'brien to talk to Sisko on Earth. He's a completely smug piece of poo poo and it's hilarious.
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the changeling imitates it very well, yes
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Trast posted:My favorite changeling scene is when one of them shows up as O'brien to talk to Sisko on Earth. He's a completely smug piece of poo poo and it's hilarious. That episode also owned because it was the first time I genuinely felt like the Federation might be hosed.  They don't use it too much but christ hostile shape shifters are a scary idea
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I do like how they establish Odo isn't actually a very good shapeshifter, and it's a genuinely difficult skill that the Founders have had millennia to practice.
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i Really dont understand how making ears look normal is harder than, say, a dogs fur or bird feathers
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Uncanny valley. If you're 9/10ths of the way there, you7'd creep people out. Or if you get the visual down, but are loving up with mannerisms
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mods changed my name posted:i Really dont understand how making ears look normal is harder than, say, a dogs fur or bird feathers odo literally says his "bird" wouldn't fool a real bird
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Pick posted:odo literally says his "bird" wouldn't fool a real bird  you're right, I had forgotten that
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mods changed my name posted:
you lost a single instance of star trek trivia to a girl. you know what happens now.
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I..I think you have to go get some Taco Bell. Or some McNuggets.
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Odo sorts out his face in about 100 years, but now that I think about it, does he even once shape-shift into a humanoid other than ''himself'? He's mostly just bar supplies around Quark's
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Sinding Johansson posted:Odo sorts out his face in about 100 years, but now that I think about it, does he even once shape-shift into a humanoid other than ''himself'? He's mostly just bar supplies around Quark's dude just loves being a table leg
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there's a subtext to some his dialogue with that travelling shapeshifter he comes across, where the traveller makes fun of odo's attachment to his form and is basically like "you will get bored of this shape and the pretence that it allows you to fit in" which i always took to mean that on top of the whole founder's thing being that nobody loving trusts you because you can be anyone you want, odo intentionally doesn't change into other people (or much else for the matter comparatively) because he's still very much trying to figure out how to be an odo.
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Ghostlight posted:there's a subtext to some his dialogue with that travelling shapeshifter he comes across, where the traveller makes fun of odo's attachment to his form and is basically like "you will get bored of this shape and the pretence that it allows you to fit in" which i always took to mean that on top of the whole founder's thing being that nobody loving trusts you because you can be anyone you want, odo intentionally doesn't change into other people (or much else for the matter comparatively) because he's still very much trying to figure out how to be an odo. The only thing Odo has figured out in life is knowing when to grunt
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I think Odo's problem with making faces is psychological, not a lack of skill
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FuturePastNow posted:I think Odo's problem with making faces is psychological, not a lack of skill No, it's brought up on multiple occasions that it's a lack of skill. numberoneposter posted:Voyager is at its best when its at its worst. Just don't think about anything too hard or expect too much from the writers. It's really not. Its actual worst is legitimately reprehensibly bad and never should've gotten out of the writer's room. The rest of it is either just bad writing cliches, or just plain tepid writing that'll leave you bored for 45.
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what about the episode of voyager where tuvok wrote a holoprogram about the marquis taking over the ship the first half of that episode was pretty ok Mx. fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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I figured Odo keeps his face the same even after his skills have improved mostly out of convenience, since it's how people recognise him, and because it seems Changelings are quite comfortable in a 'default' form. Laas has a lot more exotic forms and abilities from his two centuries or so of adventures while the Founders seem to have specifically practised imitation and deep-cover spying. I wouldn't be surprised if, while most Changelings tend to get stuck in a rut and/or join the space tyrant ocean, the high-end ones can join the ranks of Star Trek's interstellar godlike entities.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:No, it's brought up on multiple occasions that it's a lack of skill. This is the kind of thing that the TNG writers should've thought of re: Troi. They made her "empathic" instead of fully telepathic but that means poo poo-all for the "solve the plot in five minutes" problem, whereas Odo's limitations are both character-driven and help curb his ability to break scripts.
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Of course Odo's shapeshifting abilities being limited also helps the special effects budget, but that they actually wrote it into his character is a sign that they thought it out for once, and it sells the Dominion as more of a threat when the Federation doesn't have anything comparable to the Founders' spycraft. And still like that Odo's personality, and the Changelings in general, is about the opposite of what you'd expect from a shapeshifter.
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Section 31 did nothing wrong.
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when odo is near his 16 hour limit he says a few times that he is having difficulty maintaining his form like maybe its something he has to dedicate concentration to, so if he is doing that he is not able to concentrate properly on anything else. maybe he could imitate a face perfectly but all he would be able to do is stand there, not concentrate on what he is saying or doing or what is going on around him. so instead he just does the bare minimum he needs so that he can concentrate on other stuff like quark i guess it is like if you could juggle - you could probably do it for a while as a trick but if someone asked you to do it while doing your normal job you would probably just grunt at them too
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Try clenching your butthole for sixteen hours, that's probably what trying to maintain his form feels like to Odo.
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sweet geek swag posted:Try clenching your butthole for sixteen hours, that's probably what trying to maintain his form feels like to Odo. Pfft that's just a Tuesday
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PenisMonkey posted:Section 31 did nothing wrong. So what's it like writing for Star trek these days
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Sinding Johansson posted:Odo sorts out his face in about 100 years, but now that I think about it, does he even once shape-shift into a humanoid other than ''himself'? He's mostly just bar supplies around Quark's He disguised himself as the female changeling once. IIRC she only chose that blobby face in the first place to make Odo more comfortable when they first met. If only you'd been less nice to Odo, your base wouldn't have been infiltrated by the galaxy's worst shapeshifter.
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tactlessbastard posted:Pfft that's just a Tuesday Either way the results will have a similar consistency.
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Maybe I'm forgetting something else, but didn't Odo have a normal face when Kurzon's ghost was in him? Totally psychological/intentional if thats the case.
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No, he still has a mushyOdo face but different hair
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