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How has Michael been around since the existence of time (or at least the year 0000), and have no idea if the Bad Place is actually messing up the point totals and in fact only now worked his way up to an architect? Yes yes, Jeremy Bearimy and all that, but maybe Michael's really just not that good at his job after all.
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Bureaucracy is hell
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Dec 7, 2018 15:48
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remember that the good place was michael's first post as an architect. before that he was ... assistant architect? Just another torturer pulling out people's tonsils via their feet?
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Dec 7, 2018 16:00
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I think a more likely, (and arguably better) direction for the show would be rather than having the bad place interfering with the system, reveal that the system itself has naturally become flawed - maybe as humanity expanded and society grew more complex it became harder and harder to get points vs lose points, such that fewer and fewer people were getting in until it eventually stopped. The system is broken because its expanded too far beyond the original scope.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:03
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No one ever actually got to know the people getting into the Bad Place before Michael's system forced them to. How would anyone notice that the system seems unfair when all they're doing is torturing the people they get non-stop.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:04
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"Because freaking out about everything is my identity." Same, Chidi, same.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:29
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So what this means is that no one in the last 500 years has exceeded the moral standard set by Mindy St. Claire.
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The Lord Bude posted:I think a more likely, (and arguably better) direction for the show would be rather than having the bad place interfering with the system, reveal that the system itself has naturally become flawed - maybe as humanity expanded and society grew more complex it became harder and harder to get points vs lose points, such that fewer and fewer people were getting in until it eventually stopped. The system is broken because its expanded too far beyond the original scope. That makes a lot more sense.
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The Lord Bude posted:I think a more likely, (and arguably better) direction for the show would be rather than having the bad place interfering with the system, reveal that the system itself has naturally become flawed - maybe as humanity expanded and society grew more complex it became harder and harder to get points vs lose points, such that fewer and fewer people were getting in until it eventually stopped. The system is broken because its expanded too far beyond the original scope. I really see it being this. We saw how new actions get "judged" so as society and technology expands more new actions crop up and are arbitrarily judged as bad because gently caress context, motivation and circumstances do you know how long that would take with the population boom and people living longer etc??
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Dec 7, 2018 16:37
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The Lord Bude posted:I think a more likely, (and arguably better) direction for the show would be rather than having the bad place interfering with the system, reveal that the system itself has naturally become flawed - maybe as humanity expanded and society grew more complex it became harder and harder to get points vs lose points, such that fewer and fewer people were getting in until it eventually stopped. The system is broken because its expanded too far beyond the original scope. Michael thought the system was being interfered with, but he's wrong. The system is inherently unjust, and it needs to be completely overthrown.
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:So what this means is that no one in the last 500 years has exceeded the moral standard set by Mindy St. Claire. We Need More Cocaine.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:56
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It seemed to me it has something to do with age. The accountant acted like Doug was doing well until he mentioned his age. Maybe the longer you live the higher your point total needs to be.
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CapnAndy posted:The system is inherently unjust, and it needs to be completely overthrown. Well, killing God would be the perfect segue into Nietzsche.
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Dec 7, 2018 17:13
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:So what this means is that no one in the last 500 years has exceeded the moral standard set by Mindy St. Claire. So Mindy died in the 1980s, and it's been about 300 years since the gang died. That's still about 170 years accounted for, but maybe the moral dilemma of Mindy St. Claire broke the system.
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Dec 7, 2018 17:15
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the charitable version of Forcett's age being a factor is that a points system designed with fairness in mind would try not to advantage those who were lucky to die old. A person who dies as a 40 year old simply has more time to accumulate positive or negative point values than a person who dies a the age of 25. So you adjust the threshold depending on ageo, which apparently means the points required at 65 is a hell of a lot higher than 500k positive points.
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double nine posted:the charitable version of Forcett's age being a factor is that a points system designed with fairness in mind would try not to advantage those who were lucky to die old. A person who dies as a 40 year old simply has more time to accumulate positive or negative point values than a person who dies a the age of 25. So you adjust the threshold depending on ageo, which apparently means the points required at 65 is a hell of a lot higher than 500k positive points. That's what I'm leaning towards as well.
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double nine posted:the charitable version of Forcett's age being a factor is that a points system designed with fairness in mind would try not to advantage those who were lucky to die old. A person who dies as a 40 year old simply has more time to accumulate positive or negative point values than a person who dies a the age of 25. So you adjust the threshold depending on ageo, which apparently means the points required at 65 is a hell of a lot higher than 500k positive points.
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Evil Mastermind posted:That does raise the question of how many points you'd need to have to get into the Good Place at the age of 65. Doug's spent his life generating that total and it's not enough? I skipped through the episode where Tahani peaks at everyone's point total , she was second to last and her point total was somewhere in the 900k region, with fake eleanor at above 2 million points. Granted: these were made up by Michael which could mean anything, but it's the only thing we can use as a plausible benchmark. I just want to re-iterate my love for "They're SAFE! ... from the old scary thing, now there's a new scary thing". double nine fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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double nine posted:the charitable version of Forcett's age being a factor is that a points system designed with fairness in mind would try not to advantage those who were lucky to die old. A person who dies as a 40 year old simply has more time to accumulate positive or negative point values than a person who dies a the age of 25. So you adjust the threshold depending on ageo, which apparently means the points required at 65 is a hell of a lot higher than 500k positive points. I think it's a combination of that and what other people are saying. People are living longer, and things that might have mattered when the system started are no longer being done or don't mean the same thing. I mean, giving someone a rock got what, 10000 points? Seriously? If it still gets someone that many points what other dumb poo poo that no one does anymore is still around, but that they haven't bothered to update?
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Dec 7, 2018 18:06
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If only Janet's powers worked on Earth, she could turn all coins into rocks and get everybody into the Good Place by gaming the system
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seaborgium posted:I think it's a combination of that and what other people are saying. People are living longer, and things that might have mattered when the system started are no longer being done or don't mean the same thing. I mean, giving someone a rock got what, 10000 points? Seriously? If it still gets someone that many points what other dumb poo poo that no one does anymore is still around, but that they haven't bothered to update? Which, yes, is bullshit. But I really don't think there's a logical endpoint for this show that's not making war on Heaven to overthrow an unjust regime any more, so.
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So little babies that die at birth go to the bad place? That's some poo poo.
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GreenNight posted:So little babies that die at birth go to the bad place? That's some poo poo. The exact reason that the concept of Limbo came about.
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Dec 7, 2018 18:44
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This show does such an incredible job with the gimmick episodes. It reminds of Community in that way but with a much tighter overall narrative. God drat I love this show. The Chidi Eleanor kiss was cool.
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Dec 7, 2018 18:54
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GreenNight posted:So little babies that die at birth go to the bad place? That's some poo poo. I don't know, I think it would be funnier if The Good Place is just babies. Made your mom smile = 10,000 points Didn't do dookie on the floor =5656 points Etc. And then they died at the ripe old age of 2 months. Head on to the Good Place. The Good Place is so busy taking care of babies, they didn't have time to notice people weren't getting in.
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Dec 7, 2018 19:03
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I’m guessing a lot of babies died in 500 years.
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yorkinshire posted:It seemed to me it has something to do with age. The accountant acted like Doug was doing well until he mentioned his age. Maybe the longer you live the higher your point total needs to be.
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Anyone else think that the Retirement may be foreshadowing what Michael has to do to uproot the system? It's partially described as having every atom in your body incinerated on a separate star, but what if that's what Michael needs to do? Spread himself through the foundations of the entire afterlife to restructure himself in his image, with the main 4 humans forming a new metric - rather than a points system, a set of Ethical Pillars/Types of good/bad people against whom everyone becomes assessed: Jason the Innocent, Chidi the Theorist, Eleanor the Narcissist and Tahani the Rival. The titles I just threw out in a few minutes, so they're probably not very good.
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D'archive Garden deserves all the awards for that. The only possible flaw with that episode is that the humans seemed remarkably chill regarding the fact they were apparently now dead and in the afterlife with magical Janet powers. Eleanor is the only one with any afterlife memories after all, the others have only seen a couple of portal doors up to this point.
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I think the slumber party slamdown with Michael after seeing the door did a lot of that heavy lifting.
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Propaganda Machine posted:I think the slumber party slamdown with Michael after seeing the door did a lot of that heavy lifting. Yeah, I think after Jeremy Bearamy you just start taking things in stride. Everything else is somewhat sensible compared to that, and a lot of afterlife bureaucracy is easy to get your head around because it's fairly simple, it's just like Earth but slightly worse.
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I just want you all to know ... the corner cake was a lie.
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So the real Good Place really does have the anti-swearing rule in effect? Cause on the podcast they said that was secretly a torture for Eleanor to make her think the rest of the neighborhood was better than her because they don't swear. But now we're meant to assume it's a rule for the actual Good Place too? Yes, yes, I realize ultimately it's there so they can swear without swearing due to TV censors but it still bugged me just a little. Amazing episode, though.
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I think it follows that Michael would craft his fake good place to mimic the real one to the extent possible. If you look for more plot holes you can find them though. Maybe I missed it in the podcast, but if Chelenor's home is sneakily terrible, what is wrong with the Jahani mansion? She gets literally everything and he gets a secret man cave.
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I mean torturing Eleanor by applying a word filter to her, whilst making her aware nobody else used profanity is effective. Architect era Michael could see "Nobody swears in TGP, and in case good people do slip up they get autocorrected" as a great way to twist that into a way of torturing his 4 subjects. Short version : It's funny. Propaganda Machine posted:What is wrong with the Jahani mansion? Zedd fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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It’s part of Michael’s elaborate s1 plan to set Tahani up for failure and make her feel worthless, over and over again.
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Propaganda Machine posted:if Chelenor's home is sneakily terrible, what is wrong with the Jahani mansion? She gets literally everything and he gets a secret man cave. She's forced to constantly throw parties, since she has the biggest place, and Michael makes sure that the party always goes horribly wrong. It's the perfect torture for someone obsessed with throwing perfect events.
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It is a little weird that Michael dived right into the gimmicky tortures like making Jason pose as a monk, rather than starting off with a simple No Exit-type situation, but he's a demon I guess. Can't blame him for acting according to his nature.
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I guess Chidi’s torture was being given a perfect little apartment that he could never spend any time in because he was constantly being enlisted to help other people?
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