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Sulphagnist posted:The fun part is that we have no way of knowing if this is just mean reversion. Which persu do you think converts to Green as soon as Pekka took the reins?  edit koiravero 
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What I'd want to see them do is peel off misguided liberals from voting Kokoomus so that it doesn't get into government, well, ever again really.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:33
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Sulphagnist posted:What I'd want to see them do is peel off misguided liberals from voting Kokoomus so that it doesn't get into government, well, ever again really. Do these people actually exist? Like I can understand rural liberals voting keskusta because they're dumb and blind and their daddy told them to back in 1975. How can any liberal ever vote Kokkerspanielit?
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Dec 7, 2018 16:36
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The alternative is that roughly 20 percent of the electorate are members of the capitalist death cult (and another 10 to 20 are members of the fascist death cult) and that's a scary thought even if it might be true.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:37
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Nurge posted:Do these people actually exist? Why wouldn't a liberal vote for Kok?
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Dec 7, 2018 16:40
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Andrast posted:Why wouldn't a liberal vote for Kok? Mainly because the idea of a party where the main goal is stuffing the pockets of big corporations isn't exactly the liberal ideal.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:44
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Nurge posted:Mainly because the idea of a party where the main goal is stuffing the pockets of big corporations isn't exactly the liberal ideal. Liberals are right wingers
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Andrast posted:Liberals are right wingers That doesn't have anything to do with what I said though.
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Nurge posted:That doesn't have anything to do with what I said though. Liberals are FYGM right wingers, obviously they are going to vote for the FYGM right wing party
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Dec 7, 2018 16:46
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Andrast posted:Liberals are FYGM right wingers, obviously they are going to vote for the FYGM right wing party I'll just direct you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism since this is kind of a worthless thing to argue about.
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Nurge posted:I'll just direct you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism since this is kind of a worthless thing to argue about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
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So you're using a completely different definition than we were in the thread. I mean that's cool and all, but why are we arguing this again?
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Dec 7, 2018 16:50
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Nurge posted:So you're using a completely different definition than we were in the thread. I mean that's cool and all, but why are we arguing this again? Well it's more that anyone describing themselves as a liberal is more than likely a Kok voting rear end in a top hat
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Andrast posted:Well it's more that anyone describing themselves as a liberal is more than likely a Kok voting rear end in a top hat I guess we don't frequent the same circles. I've never heard anyone in Finland use the word liberal except in the older sense of the word. If I'm wrong and sulphagnist was actually talking of neoliberalism then I guess I was wrong.
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Dec 7, 2018 16:54
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Nurge posted:I guess we don't frequent the same circles. I've never heard anyone in Finland use the word liberal except in the older sense of the word. The only person I remember championing liberalism in Finland is Stubb and I can't think of a more neoliberal rear end in a top hat than Stubb.
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Dec 7, 2018 17:02
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Andrast posted:The only person I remember championing liberalism in Finland is Stubb and I can't think of a more neoliberal rear end in a top hat than Stubb. I mean poo poo, fair enough. Maybe I'm just way too old and out of it. For the record though I was definitely not talking of neoliberalism when I made that comment.
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Dec 7, 2018 17:08
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people who like to proclaim they're liberals either go sniff liimaa at the viskipuolue meetings, vote rkp or vote for kokkelikikkeli from my experience
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Dec 7, 2018 17:56
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Liberals see their historical role with very rose-tinted glasses. Traditional liberal equal rights don't mean equality in a way that makes intuitive sense nowadays. The right to get filthy rich through any legal means is an equal right, the right for all people to marry a member to marry a member of the opposite sex but not engage in sodomy is an equal right, etc. Ranking people in tiers based on wealth, gender, ethnicity or nationality and distributing them equal rights only within their own tier was and to a lesser but meaningful extent still is fair game. Liberal politicians consistently lag behind the popular consensus in implementing the sorts of equal rights that makes sense for minorities and such. If it's done by elected officials, stuffing the pockets of big corporations is the will of the people and only right. And so is pretty much anything else elected officials do as long as they don't break the law or prevalent morality. Kokoomus is consistently a coalition of the more right-wing and traditional liberals with different points of emphasis, no neo-prefix required. The word neoliberal is more apt to describe parties that arose from bases other than traditional liberalism and became constrained by the liberal framework later on.
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HerraS posted:people who like to proclaim they're liberals either go sniff liimaa at the viskipuolue meetings, vote rkp or vote for kokkelikikkeli from my experience The difference is that no one actually proclaims themselves as liberal. If they talk about liberalism they usually mean something to the left in my experience. Am I seriously the only one here with this experience?
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I once had a date with a girl who told me she voted Kok because there werent any RKP people to vote here in the boonies, and complained that KOK wasnt 'liberal enough' to her
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Dec 7, 2018 18:31
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If you want the poor struggling entrepreneur to pay less fees and be able to fire people they don't like, you're fiscally liberal. If you oppose government spending and tax raises, you're fiscally conservative. It's very easy!
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Siivola posted:If you want the poor struggling entrepreneur to pay less fees and be able to fire people they don't like, you're fiscally liberal. If you oppose government spending and tax raises, you're fiscally conservative. It's very easy! I'm just going to loving vote vasurit as always. gently caress these semantics games.
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Dec 7, 2018 19:59
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RKP brands the heck out of themselves as liberal. They sure hate the idea of an inheritance tax.
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In my experience people who brand themselves liberals are very deeply and honestly concerned with personal freedom, and completely unable to comprehend how the lack of basic needs being met can constrain personal freedom, because they generally come from well-off families and have never known anyone below the median in earnings. One subtype is the succesful bootstrapper, whose blindspot is on his personal golden ticket and how it structurally cannot help any significant part of the unpriviledged.
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Nurge posted:The difference is that no one actually proclaims themselves as liberal. If they talk about liberalism they usually mean something to the left in my experience. Am I seriously the only one here with this experience? brakeless posted:In my experience people who brand themselves liberals are very deeply and honestly concerned with personal freedom, and completely unable to comprehend how the lack of basic needs being met can constrain personal freedom, because they generally come from well-off families and have never known anyone below the median in earnings. Literally everyone advocating liberalism or liberals I've seen is of the type where people are free to die in a gutter as far as they care once push comes to shove.
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endlessmonotony posted:Literally everyone advocating liberalism or liberals I've seen is of the type where people are free to die in a gutter as far as they care once push comes to shove. Yeah, it's this. Liberalism as it is today is all about the rich advocating turbocapitalism to kill off the poors.
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It's the classic mistake. The error is in thinking that the poors will die quietly.
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They will die quicker, at least.
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Did you guyes watch the last Sannikka ja Ukkola, and specifically the version with the backstage discussion? Where they had Halla-Aho in the back. They talked about the rape gangs in Oulu, and near the end Susanna Koski said "he has a lot of good points and I agree with him". That's just an anecdote, you should watch the whole thing. *this is comment is made in the spirit of watch it then we can maybe talk about it, not I agree with any particular thing that was said
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If you can't find any good points from any given politician, you probably need to broaden your horizons. I didn't watch that show so I don't know what they were talking about. BUT STILL!
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marko däs wiit perusti just oman puolueen, gently caress jeah
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https://blogit.apu.fi/uuninpankkopoikasakutimonen/ Hnnnnggg This stupid loving government gently caress
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Isn't this whole Trafi thing trivially solved by putting the service behind a mandatory strong sign in, like, you know, all the other Trafi services regarding your own cars?
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Darkest Auer posted:Isn't this whole Trafi thing trivially solved by putting the service behind a mandatory strong sign in, like, you know, all the other Trafi services regarding your own cars? I think being able to get people's names by guessing their sotu numbers is kind of problematic anyway? I mean maybe. Isn't it? e: Hallitus vittu teuraaksi ja joulupöytään. Näin suomeksi ettei engelsmannit vittuillessaan reppaa. Suomalaiset voi jos kiinnostaa. Nurge fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Dec 11, 2018 |
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Nurge posted:I think being able to get people's names by guessing their sotu numbers is kind of problematic anyway? I mean maybe. Isn't it? Yeah you also need to feed in the name to fix it. Once you rate-limit and have strong sign-in tracking who looked up who, the service is much harder to exploit.
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Nurge posted:I think being able to get people's names by guessing their sotu numbers is kind of problematic anyway? I mean maybe. Isn't it? Haluatko siis antaa ihmisille ruokamyrkytyksen vai mitä?
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Cerebral Bore posted:Haluatko siis antaa ihmisille ruokamyrkytyksen vai mitä? Tyypillinen samppanjasosialisti, heti kun ollaan oikeasti syömässä rikkaita niin nokka nyrpistyy ja Katy Perry rupeaa soimaan
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Dec 11, 2018 17:17
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Eikös otsikoissa ollut juuri että kinkkupula uhkaa
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Darkest Auer posted:Eikös otsikoissa ollut juuri että kinkkupula uhkaa I prefer the real deal instead of political broilers.
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:I prefer the real deal instead of political broilers. Kaikkien meidän on tehtävä tekoja ilmastonmuutoksen vuoksi, toveri
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