Periphery posted:

lol if you don't think every party is full of rapists and sexual predators.

im alan jones posted:

yeah nsw labor had a straight up pedophile that drugged the victims in cabinet until the cops finally got em and even after that fact some high up in the party still helped raise funds for his legal fees

Ranter posted:

Does the encryption bill allow the government to access encrypted communications without a warrant? Sorry if that's not technically the right word for Australia. Does a judge, independent of the government, have to approve it?

Ranter posted:

Does the encryption bill allow the government to access encrypted communications without a warrant? Sorry if that's not technically the right word for Australia. Does a judge, independent of the government, have to approve it?

quote:

“The bill will authorise the exercise of intrusive covert powers with the potential to significantly limit an individual’s right to privacy, freedom of expression, and liberty,” Moses said. “It would allow law enforcement agencies and ASIO to make ‘technical assistance requests’ or ‘voluntary assistance requests’ on designated communications providers.”

“Under these requests, a provider may be asked to undertake certain acts or things, including telecommunications interception, for which authorities would otherwise require a warrant,” he said. “It is our strong concern that these requests could side-step the need for a warrant. Where law enforcement or intelligence agencies would otherwise require judicial or Administrative Appeals Tribunal, or Ministerial authorisation or approval, they should not be able to make a voluntary assistance request or a technical assistance request.”

Moses told Parliament that it is hard to imagine service providers refusing a “written request” from authorities. He also said that bill could lower thresholds required for telecommunications interception by use of computer access warrants. Authorities may also be allowed by the bill to use force against persons or things to engage in telecommunications interception.

The president-elect also raised other concerns, including that law enforcement or ASIO could effectively detail individuals required to provide compulsory assistance.

“If a person is required to attend a place to provide information or assistance this may arguably amount to detention of that person, particularly as they may be arrested on suspicion of an offence if they attempt to leave,” he said. “Appropriate safeguards need to be in place for detention. Detained people should be allowed to contact a lawyer or family member, for example.”

“There should also be prescribed maximum periods for giving assistance, requiring an explanation of legal rights and responsibilities, and the availability of interpreters where required,” he said.

Whitlam posted:

See this is where I don't really agree. People in the Greens hierarchy have clearly been fine with it, at the very least in specific cases, and even people ITT have said "well yeah but it's still better than voting for Labor". Fair enough if your specific Greens candidate/MP hasn't been accused of anything (to your knowledge), but as someone who's been sexually assaulted and had friends who have been and worse, I've honestly found it pretty disgusting the number of people who've been making excuses for it (not you, hiddenmovement, just generally) on the grounds of "bUt GrEeNs PoLiCy Is BeTtEr".

If the representative of your choice is a loving sexual predator, they shouldn't be in parliament, regardless of how good their party's policies are.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

mate you are dumb as poo poo. nobody is advocating voting directly for a rapist or sex pest, they’re talking about the wider party.

bell jar posted:

i'd rather have a loving government of sexual predator greens if at least they stick by some standard of ideology

im alan jones posted:

nsw greens surprisingly suceeded in kicking buckingham out

GoldStandardConure posted:

deets pls

UrbanLabyrinth posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/08/jeremy-buckingham-calls-nsw-greens-rotten-after-party-asks-him-to-step-aside

Aesculus posted:

It doesn't look like he's actually going anywhere? It just says the SDC in the nicest possible way asked him to please be kind enough to step aside and we recognize you are a great person and totally not a complete shitheel

e: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt4JIqxVYAAV0tP.jpg:large

yeah this is literally nothing lmao

thatbastardken posted:

good.

Whitlam posted:

So you know. Maybe loving cool it on the hostility when there are legitimately people who don't see it as a big deal, and realise I'm not the enemy for wanting people to be held to a basic level of account.

Whitlam posted:

I have had conversations irl with people who have no poo poo advocated for this. Only a few pages ago, this was posted.

So you know. Maybe loving cool it on the hostility when there are legitimately people who don't see it as a big deal, and realise I'm not the enemy for wanting people to be held to a basic level of account.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

mate you are dumb as poo poo. nobody is advocating voting directly for a rapist or sex pest, they’re talking about the wider party.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

and if you don’t think literally every party harbours the same kind of people then you’re even dumber. there’s no chance that the NSW ALP didn’t know for months about the Luke Foley incident for instance, and they’re also the party that booted out Emma Husar on the most disgusting of false accusations.

NTRabbit posted:

https://twitter.com/electionsvic/status/1071276946200248320

quote:

I don’t expect Shorten to be the firebrand, but where is the boldness in the party to tackle the issues that need pushing; that need great advocacy to make it clear the sensible centre is very much on the progressive side – as we discovered was the case with marriage equality, and which we know is also the case with climate change and Newstart, and not just the safer areas such as education, health and public services?

With six months to go, the ALP certainly can win the election, but what then? What type of government will it be? One that is so desperate to rush to the centre it overshoots and finds itself sitting next to Peter Dutton and Matt Canavan?

Personally I’d be much more in favour of ALP members telling us why we need to vote for their progressive agenda, than hearing them explain why they are voting in favour of things they admit themselves are bad.

Win the election, don’t just try not to lose it.

MiniSune posted:

Most people over 40 could not give a gently caress. Techno mumbo jumbo stuff is for nerds and that poo poo doesn't affect me.

Unless of course this results in not being able to have a shiny thing, then watch them go white hot.

I have greater hopes for younger people who have grown up with technology and have some sort of basic idea of technology and its importance. Tempering that is education seems to be hosed harder more than ever.

GotLag posted:

I think they see it as being a big deal, but not the biggest deal. And there is poo poo for the other parties to be held to account for as well

teacup posted:

Ask your non forum posting friends. They won’t care. Ultimately this won’t affect much on the ground anyway... it’s just more government overreach but people have repeatedly shown they don’t care about that sooooo

bell jar posted:

Starshark posted:

There is one party that doesn't have sex pests.

The SEP.

Because they don't have any candidates.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/09/jeremy-buckingham-considers-legal-action-after-greens-ask-him-to-step-aside posted:

The New South Wales Greens MP Jeremy Buckingham is considering legal action after he was formally asked not to recontest his upper house seat at the state election in March.

In a statement on Sunday, Buckingham said the party processes had been “abused and co-opted for factional purposes” and that grassroots members had been “disenfranchised” by a move to eject him from the party.

Jonah Galtberg posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/09/tony-burke-shuts-down-push-for-radical-changes-to-labors-asylum-seeker-policy

truely this is the party we should be looking towards for moral guidance