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Trabisnikof posted:Sadly, we can't trust the utilities to even do that unsupervised. Otherwise you get the situation like in Europe where they're burning American wood instead of coal and this counts as carbon-neutral through an amazingly stupid loophole. Yeah, BioMass/Wood is a stupid loophole, and largely does nothing except prop up a coal fired plant a little longer. Only real upside is the ash being less radioactive/laden with heavy metals.
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Trabisnikof posted:Capitalism...uh....finds a way Capitalism could solve climate change, but it isn't solving it because the people that run the show won't do anything about it. Fighting climate change with capitalism could be framed as an expensive investment in order to ensure that here is any capital at all in the future or something long those lines, but the capitalists have opted for getting as much money as they can no matter what because of their convictions about climate change or the facade they put on that it's fake even though they're secretly preparing themselves for it.
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jeeves posted:America's current waning empire utopia (for the rich) was built on the back of externalizing toxicness to other countries or places no one cares about, either via China manufacturing or making money killing local factories and wages by exporting said manufacturing to China. Kinda hard to string transmission lines halfway around the planet.
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Accretionist posted:Any thorium-watchers? Iirc, we're not far off. Thorium reactors should make nuclear more palatable. Maybe true, but the lead times make this a non-starter for now.
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, BioMass/Wood is a stupid loophole, and largely does nothing except prop up a coal fired plant a little longer.  It's essentially a resoundingly  idea. Biomass is causing enough issues that parts of it keep getting defunded, but at the same time other parts get expanded because biomass is the only way to get sustainable (nominally, if you make some heroic assumptions) baseload generation without Norway levels of hydro site availability or having to say the n word.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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No Mr. Bond, I expect you to Drive. Aston Martin is offering to retrofit classics to electric because cities are talking about banning combustion vehicles (particularly old ones that put out a lot of pollution). The British automaker announced this week that it’s starting a “Heritage EV” program where owners of classic Aston Martins can have their cars converted to an all-electric powertrain. Aston Martin’s starting this program for a very specific reason. Cities around the world, but especially in Europe, have begun to shun internal combustion engines in favor of boosting air quality for residents. https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/6/18129618/aston-martin-heritage-ev-electric-cars-city-ban
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"these loving nerds. every time they try to discuss climate change they just end up arguing about nuclear power and it's the same argument every time and it has no solution and it goes on and on and on and they're all happy as loving clams" - me to my mother, who scowls briefly and ignores me because she's losing at phone scrabble. in the distance another freight roars past, showering us with coal dust
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VideoGameVet posted:Maybe true, but the lead times make this a non-starter for now. Yeah, Th would be really cool, but a worthwhile Th reactor will probably not be marketed within the next 10-20 years at least. Accordingly, we should follow an "all of the above, but avoiding the destruction of sensitive habitats" approach right now and just allocate a massive amount of money (i.e. a tiny fraction of the national budget  ) to build a fuckton of low CO2 generators.
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what people don't know about coal dust until they're bathed in it by aerosol multiple times per day is that it's not just fine and gritty, it's greasy and it sticks
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fauna posted:"these loving nerds. every time they try to discuss climate change they just end up arguing about nuclear power and it's the same argument every time and it has no solution and it goes on and on and on and they're all happy as loving clams" - me to my mother, who scowls briefly and ignores me because she's losing at phone scrabble. in the distance another freight roars past, showering us with coal dust , coal sucks extremely badlyaccordingly, we should make it a priority to shut down coal, using everything that is available, including nucular
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China supposedly included a Thorium plant in their 5 year plan. I'll see if I can find it.
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CommieGIR posted:China supposedly included a Thorium plant in their 5 year plan. I'll see if I can find it. China are building a German-developed pebble bed reactor and hoping they won't gently caress the full-scale model up as badly as we did. IIRC it's supposed to use regular U fuel with a little bit of Th mixed in unless they made major design changes. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 7, 2018 |
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Extinction Rebellion in the United States is holding a webinar about starting local chapters. I hope that this is a start of a citizen led movement to force politicians to confront the reality of what we are all going to be dealing with.
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in australia we have a wonderful plant called the saltbush that needs no water, can be grazed by sheep, pumps out salt like a mangrove, and gives the sweetiest saltiest little berries. selah
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do it, lightning knight, you coward. silence me! my silence sings louder than words
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avshalemon posted:do it, lightning knight, you coward. silence me! my silence sings louder than words Why you gotta shitpost like this with your 12 accounts? 
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Lightning Knight posted:Why you gotta shitpost like this with your 12 accounts? my message is this: life will go on
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avshalemon posted:i have a message to spread If we do nothing, it may....for a while. But given that we are damaging some of the most essential chains in the cycle of life: The ocean, the insects, the plants, its unlikely it will go on for long. We are not so special to be immune to the collapse of the environment.
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CommieGIR posted:If we do nothing, it may....for a while. But given that we are damaging some of the most essential chains in the cycle of life: The ocean, the insects, the plants, its unlikely it will go on for long.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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CommieGIR posted:Bingo. Renewables are awesome, but are not going to be enough to kill of natural gas and coal by themselves.
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Grouchio posted:They may not be a panacea, but I'm sure they'll help keep the temperatures from rising to 1.5 or 2 C decades longer, giving us less chaos at once. That's kind of the issue, and Germany is a good example of this, that they haven't really done that. Despite Germany's huge Wind/Solar initiatives, their biggest energy sources remain Natural Gas and Brown Coal. Shuttering their Nuclear Plants resulted in a massive increase in Brown Coal consumption. So, renewables are an important tool in this fight, but are not going to offset major producers right now.
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CommieGIR posted:That's kind of the issue, and Germany is a good example of this, that they haven't really done that. Yeah. Outside of extreme cases like Norway (or going full moron and building a thousand glorious biomass plants), renewables can be rapidly expanded to a limited extent but then peter out as larger infrastructure investment to make use of any further renewable installations becomes necessary. The important thing is to use this quick rollout to kill off some coal plants, not get sidetracked like Germany.
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Grouchio posted:They may not be a panacea, but I'm sure they'll help keep the temperatures from rising to 1.5 or 2 C decades longer, giving us less chaos at once. Just to be the doomsayer nihilist by reaffirming realistic goals, this might've been true if we'd started decades earlier, but as of this moment, as per the IPCC, we're likely to see 1.5°C during the 30s and 2°C during the 40s. The only way to delay the latter is to extremely aggressively start switching infrastructure, globally, right now. As for the former, that's already inevitable - we just can't physically switch infrastructure fast enough.
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Cut global air travel and coal power to save us from 5+ by the end of the century, but slapshot an immediate 2 degrees on us overnight as aerosols fall out. I wonder which kills us faster.
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There would be a reasonable argument for geoengineering to more gradually bring down the level of aerosols in that instance I would imagine.
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Mozi posted:There would be a reasonable argument for geoengineering to more gradually bring down the level of aerosols in that instance I would imagine. lol
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Current estimates for the aerosol dimming effect are about 0.8c (NCAR 2018 ch. 2) and reaches steady state in weeks after emissions are stopped. If all emissions stopped tomorrow we'd be over 1.5c. Continuing to spray sulfates into the air is a loving terrible idea; pollution is bad for us. And I have to harp on this over and over because people only consider temperature: sulfate dimming does gently caress all to stop ocean acidification.
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You know it doesn't do "gently caress all": it worsens the hell out of it.
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Well it's a ridiculous scenario anyways because it isn't going to happen [no air travel or coal]. But in a fantasy land where it had, I'm certain that everybody would say 'oh well now we'll all die because of a 2c spike even though this part is much more easily prevented than the getting rid of coal thing we just did.'
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I forget what thread it was but someone was asking for these and this thread makes sense https://i.imgur.com/iFYPUeV.gifv https://i.imgur.com/cw933UJ.gifv https://i.imgur.com/HKfm33F.gifv https://i.imgur.com/4XjLBQW.gifv https://i.imgur.com/UqLt1Dw.gifv https://i.imgur.com/mEJu1ur.gifv https://i.imgur.com/w5wXGvf.gifv 
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And the funny thing is most of that expansion is still empty.
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That last one is the Aral sea right? What’s sad is the disappearance of that sea isn’t even entirely due to climate change but horrible mismanagement dating back to the Soviet era.
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climate change is to the earth what like pneumonia is to aids patients. its not *really* the problem its just the biggest baddest symptom thats most likely to kill us first
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Solaris 2.0 posted:That last one is the Aral sea right? What’s sad is the disappearance of that sea isn’t even entirely due to climate change but horrible mismanagement dating back to the Soviet era. It's slowly been refilling too.
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The Aral sea is a somewhat separate issue caused by overuse of irrigation in Uzbekistan to farm cotton, fixing their irrigation pipes and using more efficient systems could probably result in some restoration if climate change is not taken into consideration.
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All of those are human mismanagement except maybe the glacier and even that one ultimately is because climate change is human mismanagement writ large
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What's up with the shrinking reservoir next to Las Vegas? Is that because it's the city's water source and they're overloading it like Cape Town did with theirs?
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Shibawanko posted:What's up with the shrinking reservoir next to Las Vegas? Is that because it's the city's water source and they're overloading it like Cape Town did with theirs? Yeah here in vegas pretty much everything comes from lake mead. Reportedly some of the older/larger casinos still use their aquifers but I'm not sure to what extent
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