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Hattie Masters
Aug 29, 2012

COMICS CRIMINAL
Grimey Drawer

Trabant posted:

Since we're on WWI, this is coming out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrabKK9Bhds

Could be amazing.

Is amazing. Schools in the UK got a free copy, and it's genuinely a brilliant movie.

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Byzantine posted:

Be done by Christmas, eh.

When you think about it, the war was decided at the Marne, the rest was just some necessary sweeping up.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

Hattie Masters posted:

Is amazing. Schools in the UK got a free copy, and it's genuinely a brilliant movie.

Saw it on iPlayer. Really impressive

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
So on another site I visit various people are doing write ups on obscure or bizarre political ideologies and between things like “Anarcho-Monarchisim” and “Producerism” there’s also “Esoteric Hitlerisim” which is hosed up even for neo-nazis


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: A mixture of Nazism and a sort of bastardized Hinduism, with a dash of mysticism for flavor. Savitri Devi, the writer and "philosopher" who created the idea and who was deeply influential on later neo-Nazi movements, took Aryanism to a whole 'nother level, stating that not only did the Aryans come from India, but Hinduism was Aryan and Indian peoples in general were all Aryan and thusly connecting pan-Hindu ideologies and Indian nationalism to Nazism. She also applied Nazism to Greek nationalism, and argued for a sort of Pan-European identity based on Aryanism. She was also a great admirer of the Indian caste system, believing that the survival of light-skinned Brahmins after so many centuries in a multiracial society provided "living proof" that racial segregation laws would work.

The core of her philosophy, however, was a sort of apocalyptic millenarianism which fits very neatly into Nazism; according to her, the current age of the world was one of historical and racial degradation, in which increasing violence (called "lightning" by her, committed by 'unclean races', of course) had degraded the pure Aryan race, naturally a group of pacifistic, vegetarian uebermenschen, into the state she saw in her lifetime and also kept esoteric truth (referred to by her as "sun") from manifesting in the world.

From this she went on to establish the three types of great men which in her view guided history; the "Men in Time," "Men above Time," and "Men against Time". "Men in Time" are creatures of their era; guided wholly by self-interest and consumed by violence (she gives Genghis Khan as an example). "Men above Time" are those which have some fragment of the higher and esoteric truth of the world, but are doomed to failure by the age they live in (she gives Akhenaten as an example). Finally, "Men against Time" are those which understand the higher truths, but use the violent methods of the age in order to bring them forth into the world (she gives Hitler as an example). She also claims here both that Hitler was the ninth and penultimate avatar of Vishnu, sent into the world to preserve it, and that he failed because he was, in her words, "too magnanimous, too trusting, too good". Yes, that's right; we've reached that lovely part of the far-right that argues that HITLER WAS TOO NICE.

Anyway, her final idea and one of the more important in understanding how her version of a Nazi state would be is that Kalki the Destroyer, the final avatar of Vishnu, would be much, much more merciless than Hitler, and annihilate "...the lukewarm, the opportunists, the ideologically heretical, the unhealthy, the hesitating, the all-too-human; not a single one [would be left] of those who, in body or in character or in mind, bear the stamp of the fallen Ages." So, to summarize; we have an ideology that takes National Socialism, adds a strongly mystical and Hindu flavor to it, brings in the Indian caste system as a method of social organization, and advocates the mass murder of all those who don't fervently support the idea. It's rare that I find this to be true, but a state organized by this woman would most likely have been worse and much more horrifying than Hitler.

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Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Nckdictator posted:

So on another site I visit various people are doing write ups on obscure or bizarre political ideologies and between things like “Anarcho-Monarchisim” and “Producerism” there’s also “Esoteric Hitlerisim” which is hosed up even for neo-nazis
:stonklol:

Kinda hope the Wolfenstein guys read this thread.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo
Is Producerism based on Mel Brooks?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Azhais posted:

Is Producerism based on Mel Brooks?
I imagine it's just some bullshit about how the real* makers** are being robbed*** by the takers****

* - white
** - who resemble the holder of the ideology
*** - through democratically determined and levied taxation
**** - Jews

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth

Nckdictator posted:

So on another site I visit various people are doing write ups on obscure or bizarre political ideologies and between things like “Anarcho-Monarchisim” and “Producerism” there’s also “Esoteric Hitlerisim” which is hosed up even for neo-nazis

oh wow, you're on ah.com too?

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Mycroft Holmes posted:

oh wow, you're on ah.com too?

Yep

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Nckdictator posted:

So on another site I visit various people are doing write ups on obscure or bizarre political ideologies and between things like “Anarcho-Monarchisim” and “Producerism” there’s also “Esoteric Hitlerisim” which is hosed up even for neo-nazis

I looked up Esoteric Nazis and apparently there's a "theorist" who claims that Aryans are literally the descendants of fallen angels.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

chitoryu12 posted:

I looked up Esoteric Nazis and apparently there's a "theorist" who claims that Aryans are literally the descendants of fallen angels.

Really the Internet was the worst invention for batshit crazies.

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Nessus posted:

I imagine it's just some bullshit about how the real* makers** are being robbed*** by the takers****

* - white
** - who resemble the holder of the ideology
*** - through democratically determined and levied taxation
**** - Jews

"Examples of politicians or groups that are cited by these critics include the Reform Party of the United States of America, Ross Perot, Pat Buchanan, and Lou Dobbs, as well as Jean-Marie Le Pen in France, Björn Höcke in Germany and similar dissident politicians across Europe"
fuckin nailed it

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos
woops

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

Azhais posted:

Is Producerism based on Mel Brooks?

Springtime for Vishnu and India!

your friend a dog
Nov 2, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

chitoryu12 posted:

I looked up Esoteric Nazis and apparently there's a "theorist" who claims that Aryans are literally the descendants of fallen angels.

It's kind of funny because those theories must crop up at a point where they realize theres no meaningful biological difference, so they have to make up some other reason why they're superior

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

All it makes me think of is the first Max Payne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdIha5Dz07U

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

chitoryu12 posted:

I looked up Esoteric Nazis and apparently there's a "theorist" who claims that Aryans are literally the descendants of fallen angels.

As if that would be a good thing.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



chitoryu12 posted:

I looked up Esoteric Nazis and apparently there's a "theorist" who claims that Aryans are literally the descendants of fallen angels.

So, they're saying Ayans are The Nephilim?

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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Proteus Jones posted:

So, they're saying Ayans are The Nephilim?

Descendants of Nephilim, specifically.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
“Nephilim” is a word that sounds dirty.

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Nephallium

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Anarcho-monarchism makes me think the Kings in New Vegas. Who are also all Elvis impersonators.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Readign through this awesome document, Instruction whereafter Mis(s)e Murre, who has been appointed Danish Chancery Cat, is to follow and relate. Apparently some scribes in the Danish Chancery were having a laugh in the early 1700s (the document is officially dated "Actum Cancelliet last year" lol)



Some highlights:
* He may freely use the appointed holes in the doors to come and go, but in the winter he may use three (3) meows to alert the chancery couriers that a door shall be opened.
* When he has been hunting and challenging rats and mice all night, he is freely allowed to sleep and stretch in his residence under the hot stove for six hours (6-9 am + 12-3 pm in the summer, 7-10 am + 1-4 pm in the winter).
* Under penalty of losing his bollocks, he may not leave odorous proclama in the cupboards or on the letters, nor may he sniff, swipe or in some other way take advantage of Jørgen's food.
* Should it be that the Castle Cats bring forth several accusations and complaints to his disgrace, it must first be brought to his declaration and remittance so the truth can be observed.
* In his old age, he may take a helper with right of succession. This helper, who can be one of the Castle Cats or one of his sons, may only enjoy what food Misse Murre leaves, or what he can obtain elsewhere.
* On the celebratory days — easter sunday, whit sunday, christmas day — he shall be outfitted with a paper cravat bearing his name thereby to be shown the due respect of his rank.

There's more, but that's it for now.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The post-war UK's "groundnut scheme" is so silly it almost sounds like a children's folk tale about how stupid colonialism is:

Wikipedia posted:

The first problem was the lack of heavy equipment to clear the land for cultivation. Eventually, the project managers found some suitable tractors and bulldozers from Canada and bought U.S. Army surplus tractors from the Philippines.

Next, the equipment had to be transported from the Port of Dar es Salaam to the inland site using the only available transport—a single-track railway with steam locomotives. Unfortunately, a sudden flood of the Kinyansungwe River wiped out the rail tracks, leaving a dirt road as the only means of transport. African workers went on strike and the British advance team was left with just one cook. They decided to settle in Sagara with George Nestle, a local hunter.

At this stage, the British team finally decided to test the soil. They deemed it suitable despite the large amount of clay. Managers moved to the site in Kongwa and started to build a village, complete with prefabricated buildings. There was no suitable water source nearby.

When the British began to transfer equipment to the site from Dar es Salaam on the dirt road, they pushed through the Ruvu River and encountered large numbers of dangerous wildlife, including lions and crocodiles. Tractors were scheduled to arrive by February 1947, but only 16 smaller tractors had reached the site by April. They were not entirely suitable for clearing the local brush and bamboo.

Local large baobab trees were also hard to remove and the task was made more difficult by the fact that one of them was a local tribal jail, another was a site of ancestor worship, and many had bees' nests in their hollow trunks. Some of the workers had to be hospitalised for numerous bee stings. On other occasions, workers had to face angry elephants and rhinoceros.

The fact that the site was far from easily accessible water sources caused further problems. The water had to be ferried in and poured into a concrete-lined pool. Locals insisted on using it for swimming, despite protests by the European workers.

Eventually, local managers decided to train local workers for the job. Enthusiastic but inexperienced drivers wrecked many of the tractors. When the Colonial Office sent two men to help the locals form their own trade union, the locals decided to go on strike in support of the dockworkers at Dar es Salaam and demanded better pay and more food. Increased wages of the workers also contributed to local inflation and villagers did not find enough money for food.

By the end of the summer of 1947, two-thirds of the imported tractors had been rendered unusable. Bulldozer blades that were used to butt ground roots were ruined in a couple of days. The Groundnut Army attempted to use "shervicks"—machines that were part Sherman tanks and part tractors—but they were also wrecked in short order. A more effective method was to link two bulldozers with a long chain that would cut through the brush while the third bulldozer could turn over trees that resisted the chain. With that method, the Groundnut Army could clear 40 acres (160,000 m²) a day. When the workers tried to order a suitable ship's anchor chain from London, the managers in London cancelled the first order because they thought it was a joke.

Only with great difficulty was the Groundnut Army able to plant the first nuts. When the rainy season arrived, some of the workshops and stores were swept away by a flash flood. The number of scorpions also increased. After that, the hot season baked the ground clay into a hard surface that made harvesting the nuts very difficult.

And this was all for the noble cause of abducting tanzanian land to grow crops destined to become vegetable oil for the UK, because by God jolly old England needs its potatoes fried, not baked.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika_groundnut_scheme

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

quote:

When the Colonial Office sent two men to help the locals form their own trade union, the locals decided to go on strike in support of the dockworkers at Dar es Salaam and demanded better pay and more food.

The implied surprise is pretty funny. I have to wonder what the Colonial Office expected to happen instead.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




In ancient Egypt there was a tax on cooking oil. The pharaoh's tax inspector even visited private homes to make sure that they didn't reuse their cooking oil.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln

This dude existed.

Wikipedia posted:

Ignatius Timothy Trebitsch-Lincoln (Hungarian: Trebitsch-Lincoln Ignác, German: Ignaz Thimoteus Trebitzsch; 4 April 1879 – 6 October 1943), born Abraham Schwarz, AKA Ignaz Thimoteus Trebitzsch, AKA Moses Pinkeles, was a Hungarian adventurer and convicted con artist. Of Jewish descent, he spent parts of his life as a Protestant missionary, Anglican priest, British Member of Parliament for Darlington, German right-wing politician and spy, Nazi collaborator and Buddhist abbot in China.

The best part is the fact that has has so many aliases and then the first photo of him is him as alias Chao Kung which isn't even listed. And if that date of death stands out, it should: he was poisoned by nazis!

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignaz_Trebitsch-Lincoln

This dude existed.


The best part is the fact that has has so many aliases and then the first photo of him is him as alias Chao Kung which isn't even listed. And if that date of death stands out, it should: he was poisoned by nazis!
When you're trying to get every achievement in one playthrough.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Edgar Allen Ho posted:

This dude existed.

shya, that cat existed too tho. except nobody cares anymore

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

The best part is the fact that has has so many aliases and then the first photo of him is him as alias Chao Kung which isn't even listed. And if that date of death stands out, it should: he was poisoned by Japanese agents at the request of nazis!

Catboy Autonomist
Jun 23, 2018

IS IT SUPWISING THAT PWISONS WESEMBWE FACTOWIES, SCHOOWS, WHICH AWW WESEMBWE PWISONS?
Here is someone else who existed: Taiwanese seperatist and revolutionary Su Beng

quote:

Having returned to Taiwan for about a year, he established the Taiwan Independence Armed Corps in 1950 which plotted for the assassination of Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek. When the Taiwan Independence Armed Corps' stash of weapons were discovered hidden on land owned by Su Beng's grandmother in 1951, Su Beng was forced to go into hiding.

After several months on the run, he finally fled to Japan in May 1952 by stowing away in a boat exporting bananas. He served four months of detention for attempting to illegally enter the country, but when the Kuomintang reported him missing and wanted for his involvement in the plot to assassinate Chiang Kai-shek, the Japanese government granted him political asylum. Later on in 1954, Su Beng opened up a noodle shop restaurant (新珍味; Sin-tin-bī; "New Gourmet") in Ikebukuro, Japan. Su Beng used the restaurant/residence as a base to continue his work with the underground Taiwan independence movement.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Who exists, you mean. Guy's still going at 100 years old and the restaurant is still open.

I used to live in Taiwan and now I live in Ikebukuro so thanks for posting that. I'll definitely try to pay that place a visit.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
There's an public search event being set up for April to attempt to identify possible locations for where Susan Powell's remains might be hidden.

Here's a decent summary of the original case, for those that don't want to click out of thread.

Reddit posted:

As a native Utahn, I can easily remember the weeks of reporting and investigations into her disappearance. This case continues to be unresolved, even with a massive amount of evidence. Susan Powell still hasn't been legally declared dead, despite the local law enforcement closing the case.

On the morning of December 6th, 2009, Susan Powell and her sons attended church at their local LDS ward building in West Valley City, Utah. A neighbor reported that they had visited the family's home that afternoon, and left around 5 PM. When the children weren't dropped off at daycare December 7th, a family member on her husband Josh Powell's side began attempting to get into contact with Susan and her family. The entire family including Josh, Susan, and the two sons were reported missing to the police that afternoon. Police entered the Powell residence with fears of carbon monoxide poisoning, however no one was in the home. It appeared that they were attempting to dry a wet spot on the carpet with two fans. Susan's phone, purse, and vehicle were found at the home. Around 5 pm, roughly 24 hours after Susan was last seen alive, Josh returned home with their two children and was taken to the local police station for questioning. His claim was that he had left Susan sleeping after midnight on December 7th to go camping at the Simpson Springs Campground, located in the remote desert of Tooele County, Utah.

Two days later, a search warrant is enforced on the Powell residence. The police removed several boxes, bags and a computer with an encrypted hard drive. Police began searching the area near the campground, but snow began to make their search difficult.

Roughly one week after Susan's disappearance, Josh Powell and family members gathered at the local LDS Stake Center to pray for Susan's safe return. Josh Powell appeared emotional and did not speak. Josh Powell hired an attorney and did not show to a third interview with law enforcement. Shortly after this, Josh is being considered a person of interest, and he provides a DNA sample to police.

On December 20th, Josh Powell along with his sons traveled to Puyallup, Washington to stay with Josh's father and family for the holidays. Josh did not return to his Utah home until January 6th, 2010. He and his brother Michael Powell began packing the family's belongings, apparently because Josh recently was fired from his job and cannot afford to keep the home. He tells friends that he is moving to Puyallup, Washington. On January 28th, Josh returns once again to his Utah home to complete repairs to the property, with the goal of renting it. West Valley City police serve a search warrant and seize the minivan that Josh had driven the night of Susan's disappearance.

Later, in February, Susan's family held a news conference in Puyallup. Susan's family members reported that Josh and Susan had several problems in their relationship, including a physical altercation. They claim that Josh's behavior became increasingly controlling, and that Susan said she would file for divorce by her anniversary, April 6th, if things didn't improve. Throughout the next few months, volunteers along with law enforcement continue to search the Simpson Springs area, but come back with nothing. Near the end of 2010, Josh and his father Steven claim that they believe Susan ran away with another missing Utahn, Steven Koecher. Steven disappeared in neighboring Nevada around the same time as Susan, and the Powells claim that they moved to Brazil, most likely starting a new life together.

In 2011, Josh filed a restraining order against Susan's father, Chuck Cox, forbidding contact with him or his children. West Valley City police report that they conducted a search of abandoned mines near Ely, Nevada. No other details are released. A search warrant is served on Josh and Steven's home in Puyallup, Washington. Evidence taken from the home includes computer hardware, videos, photographs, and Susan's childhood diaries. A day before, Steven Powell claimed that he was in love with Susan, and that she had interacted in "sexual ways" with him on national television. Investigators then conducted a search with cadaver dogs, near Topaz Mountain, Utah. No details are released related to this search. Later in September of 2011, Washington police arrest Steven Powell with charges of child pornography possession and voyeurism. This was based on items seized from his home from the earlier search warrant. Josh's sons are ordered to be removed from the home and placed into protective custody.

In January 2012, Josh Powell's brother starts a website that accuses the Cox family of "maiming" one of the boys, and asserts that the children are in danger if their custody is given to the Cox family. In February 2012, a judge orders Josh Powell to undergo a psychosexual evaluation. This order came during a hearing related to the custody of Josh's two children. On February 5th, a social worker brought the two Powell children to Josh Powell's home, located at 8199 189th Street Court East, Puyallup, Washington. This was part of his two supervised visits a week, allowed by a judge after he was denied custody. They ran to the door of the home, ahead of the social worker. Once the social worker was able to reach the door, the two sons were already inside and Josh Powell had locked the social worker out. The social worker called her supervisors and reported the incident, including that she could smell gas fairly strongly near the home. Moments later, the house erupted in flames. Josh and his two sons died in the fire.

Josh had sent emails to his attorney 10 minutes before he blew up his home, saying "I'm sorry, goodbye", proving that he had planned this event.

I hope they get some leads and maybe find her. :(

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Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Krankenstyle posted:

* On the celebratory days — easter sunday, whit sunday, christmas day — he shall be outfitted with a paper cravat bearing his name thereby to be shown the due respect of his rank.

Oh, for a time-traveling camera...

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Pirate Radar posted:

Oh, for a time-traveling camera...

Agreed :3:

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




In 1717 a pirate called Benjamin Hornigold boarded a trade ship. To everyone's relief his only demand were hats, the reason for this was that his crew had gotten drunk the night before and had thrown all their hats overboard.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

During the American Revolution, there was a general by the name of Francis Marion. You may know him as "the Swamp Fox", inspiration for Mel Gibson's character in The Patriot. After finding this story in a tiki drink book, I went to find out the details and there doesn't seem to be anything contradicting it that I can easily find.

In 1780, Marion was attending a tavern party in Charleston with other revolutionary officers. The night got rather rowdy and Marion wasn't in the mood to drink, so he tried to leave...only to find that the owner had locked the doors until the party was over. He figured that the only reasonable response was to jump out the second story window, breaking his ankle on landing. He was carried out of the city to recuperate, which allowed him to avoid capture when the British took Charleston shortly after. He organized a small quasi-commando guerrilla unit that spent the rest of the year harassing the British, forming his reputation in the lineage of US special forces.

The reason this was in a tiki book? In the 1950s, the Francis Marion Hotel in Charleston made a cocktail called the Ankle Breaker based on cherry brandy and 151 proof rum.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Jumping out of the second floor window because you can't open the front door sounds like an extremely sober thing to do.

Catboy Autonomist
Jun 23, 2018

IS IT SUPWISING THAT PWISONS WESEMBWE FACTOWIES, SCHOOWS, WHICH AWW WESEMBWE PWISONS?
During the 1930s, Japanese nationalists established a secret society in the United States aimed at recruiting African-Americans that claimed that Japan was a vanguard leading the way in the liberation of non-white groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Movement_of_the_Eastern_World

Its founder, Satokata Takahashi was formerly a major in the Japanese Army and would later go on to join and help fund the Nation of Islam

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

steinrokkan posted:

Jumping out of the second floor window because you can't open the front door sounds like an extremely sober thing to do.

The story I heard was he was a teetotaler so it gets even funnier.

e:

Catboy Autonomist posted:

During the 1930s, Japanese nationalists established a secret society in the United States aimed at recruiting African-Americans that claimed that Japan was a vanguard leading the way in the liberation of non-white groups

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Movement_of_the_Eastern_World

Its founder, Satokata Takahashi was formerly a major in the Japanese Army and would later go on to join and help fund the Nation of Islam

Weren't there some koreans in the original BP movement? Maybe Japanese?

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