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elite_garbage_man
Apr 3, 2010
I THINK THAT "PRIMA DONNA" IS "PRE-MADONNA". I MAY BE ILLITERATE.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



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Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


:yotj: schadenboner :yotj:


got a tech interview next week, been a goddamn month since my last one so thank goodness

among the others, applied for a particular job today that i really want to work on and know i'd be a total fit for so i know i'll never hear from em

Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 7, 2018

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
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didya ever post your updated resume

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


now that i think about it no. might as well

newest (and here's the old one for reference, previously posted)

4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008


Ciaphas posted:

now that i think about it no. might as well

newest (and here's the old one for reference, previously posted)

that's much better now, good luck on your interview and hope your other process brings some good results too

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
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Ciaphas posted:

now that i think about it no. might as well

newest (and here's the old one for reference, previously posted)

good as hell

persnickety lil points:

1. peeps read in the F-shape whenever they read on the internet. so you would switch the placement of where C# and WPF are, also cuz there's a righteously big indent between the columns
2. consistent tenses within the job description. 3rd bullet point in the computer scientist job is past, 2nd is not
3. 4th bullet point on "computer engineer 1-3" is grammatically hosed
4. is it bachelor of sciences or bachelor of science? if that's what it reads on the diploma, whatevs. if that's a typo, that's a typo

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


thanks, i'll review it and firm it up later

i'm coming around on the formatting/aesthetic changes but i'm gonna admit, i'm still mostly baffled that this one is better than the previous. if you asked me to rate em blind and assign a number I'd say "i dunno, 6 and 6 out of ten?" :v:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Ciaphas posted:

thanks, i'll review it and firm it up later

i'm coming around on the formatting/aesthetic changes but i'm gonna admit, i'm still mostly baffled that this one is better than the previous. if you asked me to rate em blind and assign a number I'd say "i dunno, 6 and 6 out of ten?" :v:

this is a marketing document

this is the same basic situation as the 40-year-old three-martini advertising executive suit and tie dude figuring out soap commercials for the 30-35 female demo. take your instincts and throw em out

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
idk if recruiters actually care about this but one detail I was told was to mind your tenses on your bullet points. present tense is only for tasks you're currently working on. past tense is for things you accomplished in the past. all prior jobs should be past tense, day to day responsibilities and active projects in current job go before past accomplishments

all bullet points should start with action verbs

haven't read your post history but if I were a recruiter I might be suspicious that you list no measurable accomplishments for your current job. im guessing it's cause you've only been there for a year and a half but "legacy mission-critical c++/windows code remaster in c#" gives me no idea what the scope of the project is (10k lines? 100k lines?) or your level of involvement and responsbility in the project. PASTJOB by comparison gives me a clear idea of your leadership and value generated for the company

not sure what that last line is for exactly but im guessing you want to separate that out into a separate TRAINING AND CERTIFICATIONS section

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Diva Cupcake posted:

unlimited vacation is a scam. minimum should be 15 days, 20 preferable.

yeah unlimited vacation is how execs do 100 days for me 0 for you without violating any policies

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone
god drat i am so hyped for the sequel to Ciaphas where he gets that Good Job and those good Good Bennies

rooting for you so drat hard rn

Asleep Style
Oct 20, 2010

Corla Plankun posted:

god drat i am so hyped for the sequel to Ciaphas where he gets that Good Job and those good Good Bennies

rooting for you so drat hard rn

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


a friend with unlimited vacation got from thanksgiving to the new year off this year.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Corla Plankun posted:

ten days of vacation + nine holidays is poo poo, right?

most places have unlimited so maybe my brain is broken but that seems like nowhere near enough vacation for a technical role even in america

it's not great but it's nowhere close to the bottom

i used to work at a place that offered ten days vacation, and five of them were mandatory at christmas due to the office being closed.

somehow they hired candidates

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene
to put it another way, the standard for white collar workers is two weeks vacation, potentially with no holidays whatsoever. so ten days and nine holidays, while not good, isn't unusually bad.

(i would ask for more)

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

PokeJoe posted:

a friend with unlimited vacation got from thanksgiving to the new year off this year.
a large part of the scam of unlimited vacation is that people are afraid to be seen as taking advantage of it, which ends up being self-reinforcing (as people calibrate their vacation-taking against what their coworkers are taking, and the whole thing ratchets downward)

(the largest part is they dont have to pay you your unused pto when you leave, of course)

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

FMguru posted:

a large part of the scam of unlimited vacation is that people are afraid to be seen as taking advantage of it, which ends up being self-reinforcing (as people calibrate their vacation-taking against what their coworkers are taking, and the whole thing ratchets downward)

i had "unlimited" vacation a few jobs ago

it meant that i got a week at christmas, and my boss was gone four months a year

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Corla Plankun posted:

god drat i am so hyped for the sequel to Ciaphas where he gets that Good Job and those good Good Bennies

rooting for you so drat hard rn

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> BEWARE, COWARD :ovr:


:unsmith: thanks y'all

tech interview next week apparently has a take-home component to it, as i see it that'll at least be a chance to have a real go even if the verbal part doesn't go as hot

Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Dec 8, 2018

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER
When you're ready to retire you have an obligation to take a job at one of these "unlimited vacation" companies and then go on a vacation that lasts until they change the policy.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

bob dobbs is dead posted:

this is a marketing document

this is the same basic situation as the 40-year-old three-martini advertising executive suit and tie dude figuring out soap commercials for the 30-35 female demo. take your instincts and throw em out

Now I’m imagining a re-make of What Women Want only it’s Ciaphas who’s suddenly able to hear what HR people are thinking all the time.

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
opinion check - as a developer, should you list skills you haven't used in years? how about skills you haven't used professionally?

my current rule of thumb is list things i've done professionally from most to least experienced and leave off anything i never want to do again or haven't touched in 10 or more years

i wonder if i'm shooting myself in the foot a bit by leaving off things i've learned and messed around with but never used at work

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Corla Plankun posted:

ten days of vacation + nine holidays is poo poo, right?

most places have unlimited so maybe my brain is broken but that seems like nowhere near enough vacation for a technical role even in america
is that ten days all the PTO (including sick)?

I think when I left my last job I was at 15 days vaca, 6 days personal time, and 11 holidays

what I'm saying is always ask for more just to see if it's on the table

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

Ciaphas posted:

now that i think about it no. might as well

newest (and here's the old one for reference, previously posted)
the vertical misalignment of the job titles (and I guess the university too) looks weird

don't put a date range for school. graduation year is fine, if anything

Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Dec 8, 2018

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


I get 25 days at financial institution, and took 24.5 this year.

Just saw one place offering 30 and was like "looks great" but actually it was a scam and the 30 included public holidays.

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Cold on a Cob posted:

opinion check - as a developer, should you list skills you haven't used in years? how about skills you haven't used professionally?

my current rule of thumb is list things i've done professionally from most to least experienced and leave off anything i never want to do again or haven't touched in 10 or more years

i wonder if i'm shooting myself in the foot a bit by leaving off things i've learned and messed around with but never used at work

I don't have a skills section, I prefer to list the technologies used at various projects in bullet points under my work experience.

But if I did have a skills section, there are two rules I like: Try and order them with your most familiar technologies first, and be ready to talk about any of them if they're on there. I think its fine to mix personal and professional skills so long as you can explain the context, but since context is so important that's why I leave them in the work experience section. My resume might have "perl" on it, but its 10 years ago in grad school. Maybe that's fine for an employer that mostly uses some other language but has a few legacy perl scripts that need tweaks once and awhile, but if its a perl shop they know to pass on me (a win win)

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

pointsofdata posted:

I get 25 days at financial institution, and took 24.5 this year.

Just saw one place offering 30 and was like "looks great" but actually it was a scam and the 30 included public holidays.
There are about 9-12 public holidays depending on how you count things. So that place was basically 20 days vacation, which isn't the best but not quite the worst either.

The bigger question is how sick time is handled.

My first startup job gave 15 days PTO and 9 corporate holidays, and I ended up using most of the PTO for sick time.

At the start my bigco job gave 15 days vacation, 12 corporate holidays, and unlimited sick time. I can take the sick time without being bothered. Last year vacation went from 15 to 20, and next year will be 25.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I think my first job was like a week of combined sick and vacation that jumped to two after 5 years

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

ADINSX posted:

I don't have a skills section, I prefer to list the technologies used at various projects in bullet points under my work experience.

that's something i'm struggling with - including technology used within professional experience blurbs vs having a skills summary up top. i'm doing both now, partly because when i scan a resume i love having that summary up top but it is nice having it in context as well. this gets repetitive though

i've given up trying to fit into one page, i'm pushing 20 years experience now so i think two pages is reasonable as long as i make the first half of the first page really pop

ADINSX
Sep 9, 2003

Wanna run with my crew huh? Rule cyberspace and crunch numbers like I do?

Cold on a Cob posted:

that's something i'm struggling with - including technology used within professional experience blurbs vs having a skills summary up top. i'm doing both now, partly because when i scan a resume i love having that summary up top but it is nice having it in context as well. this gets repetitive though

i've given up trying to fit into one page, i'm pushing 20 years experience now so i think two pages is reasonable as long as i make the first half of the first page really pop

Yeah I do two pages as well, with the knowledge that the second page will likely not be read (its just older jobs and my education/awards section).

Its interesting that you scan the skills section, I usually don't bother with that, mostly because people stuff insane amounts of crap in there so they get keyword matches I guess? Its pretty low signal to noise for me

I typically read the blurbs about their last few jobs, mostly as jumping off points to talk about in the interview. I'm not super picky about specific skills, I'm more interested if someone can clearly explain what they did and prove to me they had a critical role (if that's what they're claiming, which should probably be the case if its on your resume)

Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


qhat posted:

New pro strategy, give the active take home assignments you get from other companies to people who are interviewing at your current company, and then submit the good ones back upstream

I'm sure I already posted about it, but we caught somebody attempting to outsource our take home, and also the job if he got it lmao

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
at the end of the day, as computer touchers, aren't we all just outsourcing our jobs?

makes u think :thunk:

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

ADINSX posted:

Yeah I do two pages as well, with the knowledge that the second page will likely not be read (its just older jobs and my education/awards section).

lol old

ADINSX posted:

Its interesting that you scan the skills section, I usually don't bother with that, mostly because people stuff insane amounts
of crap in there so they get keyword matches I guess? Its pretty low signal to noise for me

the skills section is 100% for machines

you want a double match between the body text and the "skills" section at the bottom, in order for the "applicant management system" to flag you

ADINSX posted:

I typically read the blurbs about their last few jobs, mostly as jumping off points to talk about in the interview. I'm not super picky about specific skills, I'm more interested if someone can clearly explain what they did and prove to me they had a critical role (if that's what they're claiming, which should probably be the case if its on your resume)
years ago i was a contractor at a job search site, and they spent beaucoup bucks on eye tracking studies with recruiters and hiring managers

what they learned was that nobody looks at anything in a resume except the last two job titles

your body text could say you cured cancer, and no one would notice, unless your job title for the role was "cancer cure specialist"

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

I'm sure I already posted about it, but we caught somebody attempting to outsource our take home, and also the job if he got it lmao

that's the dude you should have hired

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

ADINSX posted:

Yeah I do two pages as well, with the knowledge that the second page will likely not be read (its just older jobs and my education/awards section).

Its interesting that you scan the skills section, I usually don't bother with that, mostly because people stuff insane amounts of crap in there so they get keyword matches I guess? Its pretty low signal to noise for me

I typically read the blurbs about their last few jobs, mostly as jumping off points to talk about in the interview. I'm not super picky about specific skills, I'm more interested if someone can clearly explain what they did and prove to me they had a critical role (if that's what they're claiming, which should probably be the case if its on your resume)

scan is the operative word, i don't spend a lot of time in there. i'm more interested in what they put at the top of the heap

i also read their experience section obviously

for resumes that don't have skill section or put it near the bottom i won't see it and skip straight to the experience blurbs

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

you want a double match between the body text and the "skills" section at the bottom, in order for the "applicant management system" to flag you

this is my understanding as well

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Create a second email address and apply to every job with both resume formats

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

Captain Foo posted:

Create a second email address and apply to every job with both resume formats

I tried to do this once with two separate tailored resumes for two different positions, and the system flagged the accounts and merged the two together (and threw away the resume that was better ofc)

Corla Plankun
May 8, 2007

improve the lives of everyone
lol that the system can do that but big companies still make you type everything in 3x after uploading a resume

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Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
Thanks everyone for your frank feedback. I had nobody willing to tell it to me straight.



I changed "API" to "SDK" in my most recent job title because, although it might be a nice keyword to have, I get so tired of explaining it to knuckleheads who believe that API = web service everywhere and at all times.

(Also, congrats Schadenböner)

Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Dec 10, 2018

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