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coconono posted:MSG probably threatened to tear down the McMahon statue if WWE hosed with the NJPW/ROH booking. I hope Yano finally lives up to his nickname and steals that thing
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coconono posted:MSG probably threatened to tear down the McMahon statue if WWE hosed with the NJPW/ROH booking.
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jesus WEP posted:the what lol yeah is that actually a thing
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Aesop Poprock posted:lol yeah is that actually a thing There's a statue to either Jess or Vince Sr that stands at the original MSG site. The UFC shows it everytime there's a show at MSG.
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Wrestling (more specifically, WWE) is dying because a WOMAN is the (proverbial) face of the company. Thanks for that hot scoop, WrestleForum!!!quote:There is a hierarchy in wrestling because it works and heavyweights belongs in the main-event with smaller guys sometimes at the top as a special attraction. DarkstarIV fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Dec 9, 2018 |
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quote:You need someone who, if you show their picture to someone who never watched wrestling, he would at least be interested in more of it 
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DarkstarIV posted:Wrestling (more specifically, WWE) is dying because a WOMAN is the (proverbial) face of the company. Thanks for that hot scoop, WrestleForum!!! Hmm, yes, tag teams don't draw
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Davros1 posted:Hmm, yes, tag teams don't draw Nope, tag teams haven't gotten anyone into wrestling, nope, never 
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If something isn't exactly like the previous thing there's no hope of success. That's why every year the top grossing films are Birth of a Nation and a film of a steam train coming right at the screen.
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"Has wrestling been damaged by liberal/victim society?"quote:I have been thinking about this a lot in recent years. Has the new age of society that gets offended over every little thing impacted wrestling. I understand WWE has gone more PG so they cant cuss but still.. Of course there are some gems as replies: quote:The whole world has been damaged by the pussification of our youth. You have to walk on eggshells to avoid offending the snowflakes. You can't take risks anymore when you're putting out a televised product because all it takes is one off-color remark and you've got yourself a category 5 shitstorm. That's a big reason why WWE has become so "safe" and uninspired. You have to try to please everybody and in doing so you end up pleasing nobody. quote:All I have to say is look at the comments on WWE's Facebook page quote:Imagine bringing back the ECW days in the 90s. Imagine the promos The Dudley Boyz used to do but today. It would be on CNN news lol. That was how to get people to hate you! quote:An SJW heel would be gold but WWE is way too afraid of negative publicity they won't do it. They cater to the left.  is the only reaction I can muster.
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I'm amazed at the idea that WWE caters for the left
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I mean it's more "left" than ever if by "left" you mean "there's no bra and panty matches and nobody is using homophobic or ableist slurs in promos on a nightly basis" That's usually what they mean.
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WWE does have one of the more left-leaning audiences, but that’s because wrestling is more popular with Hispanic people.
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Evergreen https://twitter.com/jonny_is_good/status/573500353888546816
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DarkstarIV posted:"Has wrestling been damaged by liberal/victim society?" Reminder that the 'taking the piss' Kevin was doing was just straight up calling people he didn't like faggots and homos on Twitter and saying that he would murder his son if he came out as gay.
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Dangerous Person posted:Kevin Hart hasn't been funny in years About eight, apparently.
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I mean I have to say I kinda sorta agree on the Kevin Hart thing if only because it reminds me of the James Gunn thing which I think is kinda bullshit. I will admit I haven't dug deep into Mr. Hart's comments so I don't know how gross they are but many comedians are some degree of edgelord while on the job and with someone like a comedian I lean heavily on "is it an ongoing tenet of their bit" and "how recently did they do so" when judging how thoroughly they should be dragged for it. Don't blame people for being mad though, and the wrestling analogy is dumb as poo poo.
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I mean I have to say I kinda sorta agree on the Kevin Hart thing if only because it reminds me of the James Gunn thing which I think is kinda bullshit. I will admit I haven't dug deep into Mr. Hart's comments so I don't know how gross they are but many comedians are some degree of edgelord while on the job and with someone like a comedian I lean heavily on "is it an ongoing tenet of their bit" and "how recently did they do so" when judging how thoroughly they should be dragged for it. Nah, Hart's stuff is different. Gunn was obviously writing some crummy edgelord jokes. Hart was just writing hateful stuff and saying he'd assault his son if he played with dolls because it'd make him gay. The difference between him and Gunn is that Gunn's comments were self-depricating. They were edgelord jokes but they were all about him implying that he was a pedophile, making himself look bad. Hart's "jokes" are just him saying hateful stuff about gay people. Punching down is never going to be funny or useful, its just hate.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Nah, Hart's stuff is different. Gunn was obviously writing some crummy edgelord jokes. Hart was just writing hateful stuff and saying he'd assault his son if he played with dolls because it'd make him gay. gently caress. Didn't realize it was that bad. I thought it might have been more generic sort of gay panic type stuff (and self deprecating, like you said), not full on gay bashing his own son. Yiiikes. I will cop to loving the Kevin Hart bits I've seen about rappers and also how hilarious it was when Shaq fell over in basketball games.  Why couldn't he stick to stuff like that? It's especially odd because from what I have seen, a lot of his stand up IS him making fun of himself. That's why I kinda assumed.
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If he wants to be forgiven for violently homophobic jokes he just needs to be hit by a truck like tracy morgan
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There's also the fact that James Gunn acknowledged, admitted, and apologized for those tweets years ago. And then again when he was fired by Disney. Kevin Hart, while he's acknowledged his own tweets, never apologized until basically forced to step down as the host of the Oscars. And even then, it was after he spent a few hours making shirtless Instagram videos where he bemoaned PC culture and the death of comedy.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:There's also the fact that James Gunn acknowledged, admitted, and apologized for those tweets years ago. And then again when he was fired by Disney. Kevin Hart, while he's acknowledged his own tweets, never apologized until basically forced to step down as the host of the Oscars. And even then, it was after he spent a few hours making shirtless Instagram videos where he bemoaned PC culture and the death of comedy. I also wasn't aware of Hart's reactions since then beyond the generic apology but I'm not surprised. Okay, the things aren't alike at all! I do think there's a space to discuss the nuances of offensive comedy but this is NOT one those instances at all. drat, Kevin Hart. This shouldn't be that hard.
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Are Kevin Hart and Bret Hart related?
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SamuraiFoochs posted:I also wasn't aware of Hart's reactions since then beyond the generic apology but I'm not surprised. Okay, the things aren't alike at all! I do think there's a space to discuss the nuances of offensive comedy but this is NOT one those instances at all. drat, Kevin Hart. This shouldn't be that hard. Oh totally. There is 100% a place for offensive comedy and the success of things like "It's Always Sunny", "Broad City" and other stuff proves it. But if any comedian ever bemoans "comedy is dead now" it just means they're old and got bad at their job.
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oldpainless posted:Are Kevin Hart and Bret Hart related? Nah, Kevin won't pee by the side of the road with another dude.
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oldpainless posted:Are Kevin Hart and Bret Hart related? both are tiny and base a lot of their gimmicks off that so maybe
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Who is the true problem child of WWE booking? You would think Vince, but the fine sleuths at WrestleForum have figured out the true culprit!!!quote:I think the real reason WWE is so safe, so corny and so PG is because of Mattel, they are the ones responsible for this lovely booking and product. Yes this PC world is also to blame but because of Mattel there are no intergender matches or blading. Many things have been banned because they, as a toy company dont want to be associated with any bad press. Are they that vital to WWE that they had to chance their entire product for Mattel? Yes, its totally Mattel's fault that WWE booking is so bad.
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TinTower posted:WWE does have one of the more left-leaning audiences, but that’s because wrestling is more popular with Hispanic people. Mick Foley's old line about how WWE fans are the biggest group of donors to the largest anti-sexual violence nonprofit in the USA rings true here
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DarkstarIV posted:Who is the true problem child of WWE booking? You would think Vince, but the fine sleuths at WrestleForum have figured out the true culprit!!! Blaming Mattel for the booking is ridiculous, but they certainly are the reason there are no intergender matches.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Blaming Mattel for the booking is ridiculous, but they certainly are the reason there are no intergender matches. intergender matches won't cover up the fact that the build to a match is happenstance at best and when they really want a match that people are excited about they usually kill that excitement by doing the match multiple times for increasingly less interesting stakes.
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Also nuclear bad take time: The vast majority of intergender matches were utter loving poo poo anyways. Look at Lucha Underground. With the exception of Pentagon Dark vs Black Lotus Triad, the majority of their intergender matches were utter loving garbage.
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DarkstarIV posted:Also nuclear bad take time: The vast majority of intergender matches were utter loving poo poo anyways. Look at Lucha Underground. With the exception of Pentagon Dark vs Black Lotus Triad, the majority of their intergender matches were utter loving garbage. Chikara did a whole bunch before Beyond launched Kimber Lee into a turnbuckle and they were fine. Nothing really amazing either. LuFisto regularly kicked the poo poo out of men. Those were pretty awesome. Same with Mickie Knuckles before she turned into a pain pill weirdo or whatever the hell is wrong with her. ONe the guy's side, Chris Dickinson has been a huge boon for intergender wrestling. Same with Sexxy Eddie. Nowadays, you see a lot of garbage intergender matches because promoters know they can get away with doing a poo poo match and no one will complain it being a poo poo match because people will defend it because its an intergender match. Like any good match, a good intergender match plays to both sides strengths and minimizes their weaknesses. Both sides can't do their favorite moves if they end up looking contrived or forced.
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coconono posted:Chikara did a whole bunch before Beyond launched Kimber Lee into a turnbuckle and they were fine. Nothing really amazing either. LuFisto regularly kicked the poo poo out of men. Those were pretty awesome. Same with Mickie Knuckles before she turned into a pain pill weirdo or whatever the hell is wrong with her. ONe the guy's side, Chris Dickinson has been a huge boon for intergender wrestling. Same with Sexxy Eddie. Yeah, this post petty much covers it. Lots of good indies have done good intergender matches.
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