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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I was loving around about all the logical fallacy stuff, but this dude's first response to the nakedcapitalism article is to call Mark Ames a dudebro lmao Yes lol
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Dec 10, 2018 07:24
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You got me, there aren't actually that many posts of partisangirl ITT (except the one that started this whole debate of course). I was only using her and Mark Ames as examples for my points because they're the ones people posted in that argument, not as the sole offenders. But I guess you can go ahead and ban me now, adminguy. I shan't disturb this enlightened circle-jerk again.
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Dec 10, 2018 07:24
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Jose posted:Yes lol Like where is the mod challenge to this guy to back up this accusation? Nowhere? Oh, ok then.
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Dec 10, 2018 07:25
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Partisangirl is a psychotic clown, and gets posted in this thread as a running joke. She got posted here because she heightens the comedy of Elliot Higgins making a fool of himself on stage. You picked the weirdest hill to die on itt.
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Dec 10, 2018 07:28
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Partisangirl is a psychotic clown, and gets posted in this thread as a running joke. She got posted here because she heightens the comedy of Elliot Higgins making a fool of himself on stage. You picked the weirdest hill to die on itt. The argument was about BM and his trustworthiness as a reporter. I have not chosen partisangirl as the hill to die on ITT. She was chosen for me, by the brutal arm of the law. Also, lol if you think that video reflects poorly on BM AFancyQuestionMark has issued a correction as of 07:44 on Dec 10, 2018 |
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Dec 10, 2018 07:33
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:The argument was about BM and his trustworthiness as a reporter. I have not chose partisangirl as the hill to die on ITT. She was chosen for me, by the brutal arm of the law. *crosses my arms* what you're doing right now is frankly disgusting
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Dec 10, 2018 07:40
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Like where is the mod challenge to this guy to back up this accusation? Nowhere? Oh, ok then. AFancyQuestionMark posted:That's bullshit. Were was this rightist determinism in the 90's? The steady, uninterrupted, right ward slide has only been a thing for a little over a decade. Hell, the disrngagement from Gaza wasn't that long ago, relatively speaking. AFancyQuestionMark posted:That's true, but there were several left of centre governments since that time, with Olmert being the latest. AFancyQuestionMark posted:Left of centre relative to Israeli politics. AFancyQuestionMark posted:I can definitely understand why they behave like this, but it still pisses me off when they do, if not as much as the poo poo my own government pulls.
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Dec 10, 2018 12:37
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" as if this won't result in another escalation of tensions.
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Okay, how do you read that and conclude that Israel is currently not right wing? Because I said it was left of center in the past?
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Dec 10, 2018 12:48
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"The steady, uninterrupted, right ward slide has only been a thing for a little over a decade." = "I don't understand how Israel is so right-wing" Seriously, WTF?
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Dec 10, 2018 12:49
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I would like to point out that the Gulf War was prompted by Saddam Hussein being told by the US Ambassador that they had no objections to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, and then was sold to the public by having the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador testify to Congress that Iraqi soldiers were throwing babies out of incubators. The woman did not identify herself as such, and her story was a complete fabrication, as she was coached by a PR firm This is not an example of acceptable interventionism, by whatever standard
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Dec 10, 2018 12:56
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So instead the international community should have just let Saddam annex Kuwait? I view it positively because the outcome for the people of Kuwait at the end of the intervention was better than the situation would have been without an intervention. Do you disagree? AFancyQuestionMark has issued a correction as of 13:06 on Dec 10, 2018 |
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Dec 10, 2018 13:02
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yes understand why Saddam was in power in the first place. Actions have consequences
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Dec 10, 2018 13:11
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So Kuwait would have been better off under Saddam? Actions have consequences, but everyone should have looked the other way when someone literally invades another country with the intent to annex it?
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Dec 10, 2018 13:15
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:So Kuwait would have been better off under Saddam? what kinds of weapons were they using to invade
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Dec 10, 2018 13:16
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Guns? You can read all about it here. "Following the events of the Iraq–Kuwait war, about half of the Kuwaiti population,[50] including 400,000 Kuwaitis and several thousand foreign nationals, fled the country. The Indian government evacuated over 170,000 overseas Indians by flying almost 488 flights over 59 days.[51] During the 7-month occupation, the forces of Saddam Hussein looted Kuwait's vast wealth and there were also reports of violations of human rights.[52] A 2005 study revealed that the Iraqi occupation had a long-term adverse impact on the health of the Kuwaiti populace.[53]" Actions have consequences.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:20
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god you're a loving dunce
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Dec 10, 2018 13:23
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Supporting a violent foreign occupation to own the imperialists.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:24
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Dec 10, 2018 13:26
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:ah yes, argumentum thunkum
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Dec 10, 2018 13:28
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drat, killing all the arguments in your path. like some sort of highway of... of...
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Dec 10, 2018 13:38
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So the highway of death means the intervention was unjustified and it would be better if it never happened and Iraq kept its newly conquered province? Is that what y'all are saying?
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Dec 10, 2018 13:41
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It worked for Crimea.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:45
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:So Kuwait would have been better off under Saddam? Again, the evidence of Iraqi oppression was completely fabricated
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Dec 10, 2018 13:46
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It worked for Fixed. Also, Crimea didn't have over half of its population flee the country either.
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Dec 10, 2018 13:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:Again, the evidence of Iraqi oppression was completely fabricated So the Kuwaiti's welcomed the Iraqis with open arms? You know what, gently caress it. If you carry water for a literal military occupation and forceful annexation you can gently caress right off. gently caress you and your empty, weaselly contrarian poo poo
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Dec 10, 2018 13:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:I would like to point out that the Gulf War was prompted by Saddam Hussein being told by the US Ambassador that they had no objections to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait The ambassador straight up said it was ok for Saddam to invade? I bet that guy felt like a real jerk lol
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Dec 10, 2018 13:53
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Kuwait is a literal slave state and was an even worse slave state back in the 80s, so interestingly enough both the popular will being in favour of independence argument and the invasion being bad for the Kuwaitis argument would hinge on who exactly you think counts as "the people of Kuwait".
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Dec 10, 2018 14:00
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So those 400,000 people fled the country for lols?
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Dec 10, 2018 14:05
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:So the Kuwaiti's welcomed the Iraqis with open arms? 
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Dec 10, 2018 14:06
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:So those 400,000 people fled the country for lols? No, the serfs that fled had likely pretty good reasons for doing so. Such as getting out of slavery. Seriously, dude, did you ever stop and question why exactly your own sources stated that there were over 170000 Indians in Kuwait who had to be evacuated? Were they all on a beach vacation, perhaps?
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Dec 10, 2018 14:10
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looks like brown moses isn't the only one on state department payroll
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Dec 10, 2018 14:10
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Flavahbeast posted:The ambassador straight up said it was ok for Saddam to invade? I bet that guy felt like a real jerk lol quote:U.S. Ambassador Glaspie – I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. (pause) As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. We know you need funds. We understand that, and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. (pause) We can see that you have deployed massive numbers of troops in the south. Normally that would be none of our business, but when this happens in the context of your threat s against Kuwait, then it would be reasonable for us to be concerned. For this reason, I have received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship – not confrontation – regarding your intentions: Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait’s borders?
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Dec 10, 2018 14:14
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You got me, I am actually a foreign agent employed by Mattis himself. How else could I come up with takes as weird as "actually, invading and occupying other countries for oil bux is bad". I can't believe people who call themselves anti-imperialists are literally saying that the invaders were greeted as liberators. Like how do you people not collapse on the spot from the sheer cognitive dissonance? AFancyQuestionMark has issued a correction as of 14:18 on Dec 10, 2018 |
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Dec 10, 2018 14:15
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actually we're saying that america's big swinging dick shouldn't be hitting anything if it needs a propaganda campaign and straight up lying via diplomatic channels to justify it
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Dec 10, 2018 14:19
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I guess you admitting that you didn't really know the situation and just jumped to the standard liberal interventionist excuses would be too much of a climbdown for you to handle, right?
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Dec 10, 2018 14:20
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No, maybe my reading comprehension is poo poo, butCerebral Bore posted:Kuwait is a literal slave state and was an even worse slave state back in the 80s, so interestingly enough both the popular will being in favour of independence argument and the invasion being bad for the Kuwaitis argument would hinge on who exactly you think counts as "the people of Kuwait". seems to me like an endorsement of the Iraqi invasion for the sake of liberating the people of Kuwait.
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Dec 10, 2018 14:21
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Cerebral Bore posted:I guess you admitting that you didn't really know the situation and just jumped to the standard liberal interventionist excuses would be too much of a climbdown for you to handle, right? Again, I am not a liberal interventionist. You are the ones supporting the Iraqi "intervention" in Kuwait! How do you not see this?
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Dec 10, 2018 14:24
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if a "literal military occupation" and "forceful occupation" was by itself a strong enough case for intervention, why did the US have to lie about it? for that matter, if the Iraqis were committing human rights abuses, why did the US have to report on one that didn't actually happen?
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The integrity of lines drawn on a map by Europeans a hundred years ago must be sacrosanct.
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