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Gentleman Baller
Oct 13, 2013

Zenithe posted:

I wonder what the opinion of Balinese Indonesians are.

Denpasar is the capital of Bali, and their stats were 92% favourable, 8% unfavourable, not counting no opinion. I'm pretty sure this is significantly higher than Australia's opinion of Australians, so I can only conclude people who go get drunk in Bali are Australia's best representatives, and we should replace all our diplomats with them.

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Centusin
Aug 5, 2009
As someone thats volunteering in Indonesia and being paid by our aid program, this whole Israel thing just results in a lot of awkward conversations explaining the government is poo poo and nobody else in the country agrees with them. People here despise Israel. But oh well, Indonesians are lovely people and most of them won't care that much until a giant protest happens outside the embassy.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

How amenable would the Animal Justice senator be to voting with Labor?

Turks
Nov 16, 2006

hambeet posted:

sustainable australia were anti immigration i think?

They are, but that includes white immigrants too and they specifically aren't intending to cut the Refugee intake (though I don't think want to increase it either). Mostly we'd get less English and I think that's something we can all get behind.

EDIT: I checked and since 2010 India and China overtook the UK, still I don't think the policy is racially motivated.

Turks fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Dec 11, 2018

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Trapezium Dave posted:

How amenable would the Animal Justice senator be to voting with Labor?

Probably very. They're completely single issue. Throw them a few pieces of animal welfare legislation and I wouldn't be surprised if they vote in lock-step.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Are they not hyper tree torys?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/CaseyBriggs/status/1072340459287126019

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Green -4 is absolutely brutal.

TheMightyHandful
Dec 8, 2008

so crossbench is > libs by 2 seats, are they the opposition?

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
How did Hinch become a thing?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Turks posted:

They are, but that includes white immigrants too and they specifically aren't intending to cut the Refugee intake (though I don't think want to increase it either). Mostly we'd get less English and I think that's something we can all get behind.

EDIT: I checked and since 2010 India and China overtook the UK, still I don't think the policy is racially motivated.

im looking at their page again:

investing in education, investing in other industries to diversify economy, simpler tax system *warning bells there*
affordable housing involve scrapping cgt and negative gearing, building more public housing / banning foreign investment in property,
nationalising utilities
planning goes back to local government, higher taxes on commercial developers, invest in public transport and preserve green corridors,
transition to renewable energies, ban fracking (nationally), lots of greeny stuff here,


hmmmmmmmm

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

JBP posted:

Are they not hyper tree torys?

Insofar as anyone whose entire economic policy barely mentions people at all is a tree tory, yes, but it seems more like they don't have any designs beyond their hyperfocus.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

oh here it is:

quote:

SUSTAINABLE POPULATION & IMMIGRATION - AUSTRALIA
Background
Population is a local and global issue. Like climate change, population requires local action in order to achieve global outcomes.

Importantly:

Rapid population growth is unsustainable and undesirable, regardless of whether it comes from high immigration or high native fertility.
Sustainable Australia is opposed to restrictions on family size and coercive efforts to reduce fertility.
Sustainable Australia is for immigration, being sustainable immigration, which will help maintain social cohesion and long term public support for immigration by addressing the public's growing frustration with too much immigration too soon.
Sustainable Australia is opposed to discrimination of immigrants based on race (ethnicity) or religion.
Our immigration practices should not be ethnically or religiously based, but they must allow for more intensive screening of, and support for, all prospective immigrants than is currently the case. There are serious dangers in not devoting sufficient resources to managing our record high immigration intake. The Department is simply overloaded with work. Lowering our immigration intake back to the sustainable long-term average level (see below) will help the Australian Government to recover and secure a sustainable Australia.
According to the International Monetary Fund, seven out of the top ten per capita GDP countries have populations under 10 million.
Current growth projections have Australia on target to grow from 24 million (2016) to over 40 million by 2050.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Anidav posted:

How did Hinch become a thing?
Hinch the person or the Hinch Justice Party in the Victorian election?

If it's the election, the preference whisperer that gamed the system this time round was a Hinch guy.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

JBP posted:

Green -4 is absolutely brutal.
Yeah. Their first preference vote dropped a bit (from 10.75% to 9.25%) but it's mostly due to GVTs and the number/size of upper house electorates.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
So you're saying Victoria needs to abolish the upper house like a certain strong state

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

JBP posted:

Are they not hyper tree torys?

I thought they were mad at the Greens for not taking a hard enough stance for animal rights (the no animal farming, pets types).

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

hambeet posted:

oh here it is:

"Social Cohesion" is a racist buzzword, it gets thrown around a lot as 'too many ethnicities living together that will never get along, therefore White Australia Now. Look at Japan, they only have one ethnicity there and they have Social Cohesion!'

im alan jones
Feb 1, 2009

the muhammad ali of radio

Tokamak posted:

I thought they were mad at the Greens for not taking a hard enough stance for animal rights (the no animal farming, pets types).

in nsw they preferenced labor ahead of the greens because shoebridge ate a sausage in public once

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

hambeet posted:

oh here it is:

Imagine how high GDP per capita will be if we reduce our population to something really sustainable like Liechtenstein's 38,111!

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Anidav posted:

So you're saying Victoria needs to abolish the upper house like a certain strong state

Ahahaha

clusterfuck
Feb 6, 2004


Doctor Spaceman posted:

Yeah. Their first preference vote dropped a bit (from 10.75% to 9.25%) but it's mostly due to GVTs and the number/size of upper house electorates.

Wait you think it's an administrative blip? You don't think the sex pests plus NSW civil war had anything to do with it? Can you expand on what you mean here?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Anidav posted:

So you're saying Victoria needs to abolish the upper house like a certain strong state

Just abolish group voting tickets.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

In three years time of course.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

drunkill posted:



rip greens.
Holy gently caress that's an awful result for the Greens. I wonder if they will pay attention to that.

LOL at those micro parties like the Nationals ;)

Anidav posted:

So you're saying Victoria needs to abolish the upper house like a certain strong state

Yeah nah.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

clusterfuck posted:

Wait you think it's an administrative blip? You don't think the sex pests plus NSW civil war had anything to do with it? Can you expand on what you mean here?
The group voting tickets were heavily skewed against the Greens and the Socialists. I was playing around with Antony Green's calculator before the election and the usual result in most districts was the Green candidate would get something like 0.8 of a seat before all the other minor parties started pooling up each others votes to push them ahead.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Here is a list of things that Victoria should take from Queensland:

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

hambeet posted:

Here is a list of things that Victoria should take from Queensland:

    Their wallet

Turks
Nov 16, 2006

im alan jones posted:

in nsw they preferenced labor ahead of the greens because shoebridge ate a sausage in public once

Assume innocence until proven guilty, anyone you haven't seen eat a sausage is vegan.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

hambeet posted:

Here is a list of things that Victoria should take from Queensland:

An affordable real estate market

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

Anidav posted:

An affordable real estate market

That's because nobody wants to live there.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Nah mate heaps of good Australians live in Queensland.

Like that guy who punched a shark. Larry I think or something.

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug
Good ol' Larry Sharkpunch

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Mith and I went from renting a lovely, ancient two bedroom apartment in Toowong for $325 a week to a one bedroom with aircon and NBN FTTP in Melbourne for $380.

And you want to tell me Queensland is affordable?

Turks
Nov 16, 2006

CrazyTolradi posted:

Mith and I went from renting a lovely, ancient two bedroom apartment in Toowong for $325 a week to a one bedroom with aircon and NBN FTTP in Melbourne for $380.

And you want to tell me Queensland is affordable?

Being close to UQ drives prices in Toowong up a lot. You can also commute from Toowong to the CBD by bike on bike paths along the river in about 15 minutes. That commute is worth a fair bit.

Turks fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Dec 11, 2018

CrazyTolradi
Oct 2, 2011

It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

Turks posted:

Being close to UQ drives prices in Toowong up a lot. You can also commute from Toowong to the CBD by bike on bike paths along the river in about 15 minutes. That commute is worth a fair bit.
My partners commute is now five minutes walk because we live in Melbourne CBD. Toowong hasn't got poo poo on that.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

clusterfuck posted:

Wait you think it's an administrative blip? You don't think the sex pests plus NSW civil war had anything to do with it? Can you expand on what you mean here?

Those issues can explain the drop in the vote, but the drop in the vote alone isn't enough to explain the loss of 4 seats.

(Based on the provisional results on the VEC website)

Take SE Metro. Labor got 2.99 quotas on first preferences, Liberals got 1.74, Greens got 0.33 (down from 0.36), AJP got 0.13, and all the other parties are under 0.1 of a quota. So Labor gets 2 seats (with the 3rd being a formality), while the Liberals get 1 (with a chance at another). This leaves the 5th seat up for grabs. Who gets it?

The correct answer was the Liberal Democrats, starting from 0.05 of a quota.

The same thing happens in other seats. In South Metro the Greens got 0.8 of a quota (down from ~0.9) and didn't get a seat, whereas Sustainable Australia had 0.08 and did.

None of this was a surprise either. The GVTs are known and you can work out who benefits most (and several of those listed did get elected). Or look at this prediction for East Metro:
https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenABC/status/1061777073591599104
They ended up getting 0.6% of the vote, and the seat.

I haven't seen the final numbers yet but it's quite possible that the Greens would have lost seats even if their vote was identical to the 2014.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
Senile old fool


John Howard says Scott Morrison can still win election.
https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.amp...ll-win-election

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/JoshButler/status/1072370977722548226

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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
gently caress me

https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenABC/status/1072359762052952064?s=19

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