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MiddleOne posted:Is he actively attempting to incite riots at this point?
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Live reporting on massive protests is fake news now. Planning protests on fb will become fake news too, somehow
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unpacked robinhood posted:Live reporting on massive protests is fake news now. Planning protests on fb will become fake news too, somehow Turns out that France Info was the secret Gilets Jaunes and Russian disinformation HQ all along. Edit: https://twitter.com/FredericSays/status/1071719028618657797 why_the_PS_exploded.txt Kassad fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Dec 9, 2018 |
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suck my woke dick posted:You can’t kill a god. What a grand and intoxicating innocence! Kassad posted:why_the_PS_exploded.txt As if I needed more reason to loathe Ségo. Is she trying to make me glad she lost to Sarko?
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Cat Mattress posted:What a grand and intoxicating innocence! *actually worse.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:But few rioters felt like fascists to me - a good number called themselves Gaulois which I find suspect Gaulois réfractaires probably
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Comment voulez-vous qu'une entreprise qui a du mal à rester dans le noir en payant son patron trois millions par mois puisse se permettre de payer ses employés cinq centimes au dessus du SMIC ?
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okay at this point this is just getting hilarious https://twitter.com/lundimat1/status/1071845485151965184 (if you need the context: this is the second time Julien Coupat is being sent to court for being near where crimes happened, and this time it's even more tenuous)
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Run this through google translate, get someone to translate it for you, i don't care, read this it is good analysis https://blog.mondediplo.net/fin-de-monde
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Quand verrons-nous la formation de la sixieme republique?
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Sixième République? Non, nous devons faire la Deuxième Commune.
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Who's a masochist enough dude to watch manu being all big actual president tonight ? e: stolen from reddit 
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Je peux pas j’ai aqua-poney
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unpacked robinhood posted:Who's a masochist enough dude to watch manu being all big actual president tonight ? lol if you don't just read people tearing his bullshit apart on twitter
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https://www.arretsurimages.net/chroniques/le-matinaute/en-avant-premiere-lallocution-demmanuel-macron Daniel Schneidermann, toujours aussi drôle 
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Chikimiki posted:https://www.arretsurimages.net/chroniques/le-matinaute/en-avant-premiere-lallocution-demmanuel-macron 1) to stay blocked for 3 years doing nothing despite a parlement EM maximus 2) to play Mitterand in a cohabitation scenario with a bullshit UMP prime minister (lol Wauquiez) or France Insoumise/PS. Or a weird coalition featuring EM. 3) go into the danger zone with his Omega Parlement. He is more likely to get reelected with scenario 2 so i say he will more likely go for the dissolution. It's the only political move that makes sense but hey the whole Benalla madness told me he is weird as gently caress. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Dec 10, 2018 |
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Watching all of this unfold while there are so many political “realignments” across the globe has me thinking about french history, which may be not what this thread is for (though it is certainly about politics). My thought was between liberal and conservative, right and left, and although there have been lots of intermingling isn’t this just basically that the conservatives want a restoration of the vision of society under monarchy? They don’t want the return of certain rulers, but they ascribe to that ideal that never existed under autocrats. Then the left politically is the enlightenment and all it’s flaws and flirtation with the old regime and its prestige, looking forward but still limited by many of the same hang ups (albeit with different responses) the failures from which ultimately cause the public to flirt with more strong man/king leader styles? Is this sort of thing obvious or just also very wrongheaded?
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I don't know why anyone's expecting anything other than mild condescension. He's got the overwhelming force of a police state shutting protests down with a comically huge amount of "preventative arrests", corporate media is begging for everyone to stop and accept that the rich are gonna get all the tax breaks they want, and the gilets jaunes coalition is loose enough that giving just enough crumbs to the right people is gonna get enough people to leave that dissent will be managed. It's the way these things play out, and I cannot in good faith think that Macron is arrogant enough to try and gently caress that up. Hope is a lie, but we got more people to see the good in a barricade, and that has its own value.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Je peux pas j’ai aqua-poney I had to google this and then 
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Peacoffee posted:Watching all of this unfold while there are so many political “realignments” across the globe has me thinking about french history, which may be not what this thread is for (though it is certainly about politics). Yes. I think the best example of a right-winger basically admitting they're pining for the return of the Ancient Régime -- just with a different noble caste -- is this: "Il règne actuellement une ambiance malsaine de nuit du 4 août." --Jean-François Copé, 2010. If you're familiar with French history, you probably know that this "August 4 night" was when the national constitutive assembly unanimously voted to abolish the feudal system, making everyone equal in front of the law and, notably, abolishing the privileges of the clergy and nobility that allowed them not to pay taxes. So why would anyone call that unhealthy? As far as symbolic dates of the Revolution go, that one is much better than storming the Bastille or executing the king; it has no violence against anyone, just a proclamation of equality. And people like Copé find it sickening. Telling, isn't it?
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Cat Mattress posted:And people like Copé find it sickening. Telling, isn't it?
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quote:Concernant l'impôt de solidarité sur la fortune (ISF), « il n'y aura pas de recul », a toutefois prévenu Emmanuel Macron. « Revenir en arrière nous affaiblirait », a-t-il dit, même s'il a rappelé sa volonté de lutter contre l'évasion fiscale et de mieux maîtriser les dépenses publiques. lol of course
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Rosa Luxemburg said socialism or barbarism... you'll forgive my lack of optimism as to which path is taken. Edit: I read that article "Fin de monde" that was linked and saw in the comments the typical "down with big government, the market is king" type arguing in bad faith with everyone else. A comforting reminder that jackasses like that are not confined to the English-speaking world. JustJeff88 fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Dec 10, 2018 |
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ElNarez posted:I don't know why anyone's expecting anything other than mild condescension. He's got the overwhelming force of a police state shutting protests down with a comically huge amount of "preventative arrests", corporate media is begging for everyone to stop and accept that the rich are gonna get all the tax breaks they want, and the gilets jaunes coalition is loose enough that giving just enough crumbs to the right people is gonna get enough people to leave that dissent will be managed. It's the way these things play out, and I cannot in good faith think that Macron is arrogant enough to try and gently caress that up. Hope is a lie, but we got more people to see the good in a barricade, and that has its own value. Yeah figures, it's been the same way for the last ~15 years. Since the 35 hours there's never been another substantial progressive policy, yet more of a slow erosion of existing policies, despite huge protests and/or riots every few years. At least the show for our transition to a boring dystopia is enjoyable! 
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Rendez-vous samedi prochain les amis.
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Gonna post Mélenchon’s response because heck he’s good at articulating everything that was wrong about tonight’s speech https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mo1u_z7IMk
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Gonna post Mélenchon’s response because heck he’s good at articulating everything that was wrong about tonight’s speech I speak no French and I am extremely interested in this. Is there anywhere English language that is doing a good job covering this?
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I'll stand by my needlessly cynical take, but I have to say: it's really ludicrous how little Macron is willing to give away, and if it does keep the movement going I'll think it's hilarious.
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given the level of anger towards this turd why was he elected in the first place? If there's so much justifiable anger over wealth distribution and all burdens being taken off the rich and dumped on everyone else why you guys elect an ibanker
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So this person on Facebook went on a long spiel about how at least one underlying issue leading to the Gilets Jaunes is a serious split between metropolitan and peripheral France, and cites a book titled La France périphérique by Cristophe Guilluy. Does that ring a bell, has it been mentioned in this thread and I just missed it due to laziness/poor French?
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mila kunis posted:given the level of anger towards this turd why was he elected in the first place? If there's so much justifiable anger over wealth distribution and all burdens being taken off the rich and dumped on everyone else why you guys elect an ibanker The right wing candidate was hit by a corruption scandal right before the election, and unfortunately the left vote was split. That left us with the usual centrists fourth placers managing to get their guys into first place against le pen, and the rest is history
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mila kunis posted:given the level of anger towards this turd why was he elected in the first place? If there's so much justifiable anger over wealth distribution and all burdens being taken off the rich and dumped on everyone else why you guys elect an ibanker It wasn't exactly a landlslide, more than 22% abstention in the first round (33% in the second) + 2% blank. And that's just counting people with the right to vote who have a registration card, which was about 47M people out of 67M so he was basically elected by a minority. Oh, and foreigners don't have the right to vote in presidential elections no matter how long they've been residing in France. They do pay taxes though. According to polls, at least 70% of people in France support the gilets jaunes so I think the numbers are consistent and really show that the majority of people didn't want him.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So this person on Facebook went on a long spiel about how at least one underlying issue leading to the Gilets Jaunes is a serious split between metropolitan and peripheral France, and cites a book titled La France périphérique by Cristophe Guilluy. Does that ring a bell, has it been mentioned in this thread and I just missed it due to laziness/poor French?
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My lunch, I call it Melenchon
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Here in Canada there has been virtually nothing in the media about the gilets jaunes or anything going on in France, I assume since the rich media owners are all terrified of it happening here. Nonetheless, in reading the comments on an online article about property taxes going up, the first four replies all referenced the gilets jaunes and how the same sort of thing needs to happen here, all of which got multiple likes. Les Canadiens sont probablement beaucoup trop cons/paresseux pour vraiment se revolter, mais on ne sais jamais.
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HookShot posted:Here in Canada there has been virtually nothing in the media about the gilets jaunes or anything going on in France, I assume since the rich media owners are all terrified of it happening here. Well for starters the Gilets Jaunes in their vast majority aren’t the kind of people who’d pay property taxes in the first place. It’s like an entirely different public. I find that in general the people who complain about property taxes are the ones who probably ought to pay more in tax. But I digress. I too had little faith in the French public. And still today, there is no massive call for a general strike, or mass demonstrations. But there’s something good in there and I’m hoping it can lead to more collective action in the future.
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