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Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Wengy posted:

The keyboard thread is intimidatingly nerdy. I think I'll want something durable, suited for gaming (since that's all I do with that PC) and numpadless.

Numpads aren't going away are they? I definitely need mine, as I was absent during most of 10th grade typing class during the number lessons, so I'm effectively garbage at touch-typing those. Plus alt-codes, gaming function (autocast in Diablo 3 and DCSS), and quick calculator stuff.

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Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ofecks posted:

Numpads aren't going away are they? I definitely need mine, as I was absent during most of 10th grade typing class during the number lessons, so I'm effectively garbage at touch-typing those. Plus alt-codes, gaming function (autocast in Diablo 3 and DCSS), and quick calculator stuff.

only for fps gamers who need huge mousepad space because they play with low sens. The rest of us still use them all the time. At least so far every top of the line "gaming" keyboard that is tenkeyless also has a full form model. Most people dont need them, they just like to pretend they are an esport athlete who travels with their mouse and keyboard.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Ofecks posted:

Numpads aren't going away are they? I definitely need mine, as I was absent during most of 10th grade typing class during the number lessons, so I'm effectively garbage at touch-typing those. Plus alt-codes, gaming function (autocast in Diablo 3 and DCSS), and quick calculator stuff.

i got a logi wireless kb that I quite liked but ended up returning it when I realized how much I relied on ten key for navigating.

everythingWasBees
Jan 9, 2013




they're useful if you're very limited on desk space or you do actually travel with your keyboard a lot. I personally prefer them because it lets me keep my hands closer together but the numpad is kind of essential for a lot of things

Audax
Dec 1, 2005
"LOL U GOT OWNED"

Guyver posted:

My MX518 died last week. The nixeus Revel Fit is an almost perfect replacement except for the pulsing LED and I miss the home and end buttons. I think you can change the LED setting with nixeus' software but I don't really care that much.

So thanks Audax for mentioning it.



FYI There's a setting to turn it off/adjust it.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

Ofecks posted:

Numpads aren't going away are they? I definitely need mine, as I was absent during most of 10th grade typing class during the number lessons, so I'm effectively garbage at touch-typing those. Plus alt-codes, gaming function (autocast in Diablo 3 and DCSS), and quick calculator stuff.

They better not be, I need it since I rebind games to use arrow keys and the surrounding keys

Wengy
Feb 6, 2008

I've never used the numpad in my entire life, what am I missing? Then again, I only use PC keyboards to game and do all of my work on a Macbook.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

Wengy posted:

I've never used the numpad in my entire life, what am I missing? Then again, I only use PC keyboards to game and do all of my work on a Macbook.

If you ever need to punch in a whole lot of numbers, the numpad lets you do it real fast with a single hand. Also pretty nice with calculator apps since the operators also have their own dedicated keys. Outside of data entry they're less compelling, but some games are much easier to play using numpad (think roguelikes with diagonal movement) and in the past I've used the numpad as essentially a set of dedicated macro keys for games that permit custom binds.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Wengy posted:

I've never used the numpad in my entire life, what am I missing? Then again, I only use PC keyboards to game and do all of my work on a Macbook.

PgUp and PgDn keys when you are too lazy to reach for the mouse.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
some crazy thing
But those keys aren't on the numpad :confused:

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

qsvui posted:

But those keys aren't on the numpad :confused:

yeah those are the 60% keyboards that attract a whole new level of crazies

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE

qsvui posted:

But those keys aren't on the numpad :confused:

They are if you toggle the function lock!

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

isndl posted:

They are if you toggle the function lock!

numlock

numb skulls. it's just the 3 and 9 keys

redstormpopcorn
Jun 10, 2007
Aurora Master
Has anyone copied the Sidewinder X8's vertical thumb button placement yet? Mine's finally starting to double-click after like eight years of flawless performance so it might be time to look into replacement. G502's G4/sniper-button placement looks like it might be the closest outside MMO mice with a button grid. I might just dive on a G602 since it's half-off with free shipping on the Logitech site right now.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt

redstormpopcorn posted:

Has anyone copied the Sidewinder X8's vertical thumb button placement yet?

See if you can still find a G700s. Four thumb buttons in a 2x2 layout.

I rushed to buy one when Logitech decided to make the G702/3 into yet another boring 'e-sports' mouse.

IuniusBrutus
Jul 24, 2010

So I bought a Logitech trackball (the entry level one) to see how it is, since occasionally at work I'm starting to get some discomfort in my mousing wrist and I'm re-evaluating the ergonomics of my home and work offices. It feels IMMENSELY better, but I am struggling with precision and speed with it - granted I've only used it about 30 minutes, but it just seems like it'll be impossible to fully wrap my head around.

Does it get better and I'm just a simpleton incapable of understanding that? Or is there a reason that mice became the predominant form of input device for a computer?

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002

by Fluffdaddy
It gets better for sure. Be one with the inertia of the ball. Thats the only advice i can give.

isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE
I feel like mice became dominant mostly because of optical mice which didn't need you to gently caress around with cleaning the balls (or the rods which I found was usually the culprit rather than the balls themselves). Haven't used a trackball enough to ever need to perform maintenance on one but I assume they're the same way, albeit with less frequency since the ball isn't rolling across the desk to pick up more dust.

SymmetryrtemmyS
Jul 13, 2013

I got super tired of seeing your avatar throwing those fuckin' glasses around in the astrology thread so I fixed it to a .jpg

IuniusBrutus posted:

So I bought a Logitech trackball (the entry level one) to see how it is, since occasionally at work I'm starting to get some discomfort in my mousing wrist and I'm re-evaluating the ergonomics of my home and work offices. It feels IMMENSELY better, but I am struggling with precision and speed with it - granted I've only used it about 30 minutes, but it just seems like it'll be impossible to fully wrap my head around.

Does it get better and I'm just a simpleton incapable of understanding that? Or is there a reason that mice became the predominant form of input device for a computer?

Give it a few days or weeks, it'll become more comfortable than a mouse ever was.

isndl posted:

I feel like mice became dominant mostly because of optical mice which didn't need you to gently caress around with cleaning the balls (or the rods which I found was usually the culprit rather than the balls themselves). Haven't used a trackball enough to ever need to perform maintenance on one but I assume they're the same way, albeit with less frequency since the ball isn't rolling across the desk to pick up more dust.

Very occasionally. Like once a year. A quick qtip wipe on the rollers and you're done.

Monstaland
Sep 23, 2003

I am about to order a LogitechG Pro wireless but it seems to have some doubleclick issues in quite some cases. It's hard to tell if these are just incidental problems or something that is really an issue with this exact mouse. Anyone know anything about this?

Man I was so hyped to waste my christmas bonus on this

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


I don't have any in mine but that's just one experience out of many.

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



Klaaz posted:

I am about to order a LogitechG Pro wireless but it seems to have some doubleclick issues in quite some cases. It's hard to tell if these are just incidental problems or something that is really an issue with this exact mouse. Anyone know anything about this?

Man I was so hyped to waste my christmas bonus on this

I have the G900 but I was thinking of getting the Logitech G Pro also. The 80g weight seems so drat tempting. It develops a double click?

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Klaaz posted:

I am about to order a LogitechG Pro wireless but it seems to have some doubleclick issues in quite some cases. It's hard to tell if these are just incidental problems or something that is really an issue with this exact mouse. Anyone know anything about this?

Man I was so hyped to waste my christmas bonus on this

that was an early batch issue. It doesnt develop, you have it or you dont. Polls I have seen show 88% of owners reporting no issues. If you poll only people who bought in the last month its even better. RJN did a recent poll on exactly that and it seems to be fine.


Logitech will ship you a new one if you have it. Its otherwise still the best mouse

Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 13, 2018

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.
I just bought a G Pro mouse and have an odd question. I have a USB C cable going into a USB C PD charger. If I use an adapter, is it safe to charge the mouse with this cable too?

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Endymion FRS MK1 posted:

I just bought a G Pro mouse and have an odd question. I have a USB C cable going into a USB C PD charger. If I use an adapter, is it safe to charge the mouse with this cable too?

It should be fine, it's likely a USB2 connection and the mouse will pull 5 V at whatever current it needs.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Atomizer posted:

It should be fine, it's likely a USB2 connection and the mouse will pull 5 V at whatever current it needs.

even if it charges slowly it should be fine. The mouse pulls so little power compared to past wireless gaming mice

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

Fauxtool posted:

even if it charges slowly it should be fine. The mouse pulls so little power compared to past wireless gaming mice

Yeah I'm not worried about speed, just figure it'd be convenient if I could use that cable for both my phone and mouse

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



The only real USB power issues that arise are between non-compliant devices, like "novelty" electronics that really just have a USB port for convenience. These are things like lights, fans, paper shredders (yes really, I have one around here somewhere) that pull power from a USB source without being actual USB devices themselves. Proper USB devices negotiate power, including voltage (e.g. 5, 9, 12, 20 V) and current.

Endymion FRS MK1
Oct 29, 2011

I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.
I ended up just using the included adapter, but thanks for the input everyone! I forgot that I could just stick the whole thing under my case and pull it out when it needs charging. I love this mouse! It's comfy, responsive, light, and according to the software I'll get 50 hours of charge. Extremely satisfied!

Edit: Probably should clarify this praise is for the G Pro Wireless

Endymion FRS MK1 fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Dec 30, 2018

Rabid Snake
Aug 6, 2004



The Logitech G Pro Wireless rules. I just wish it was a tad bit bigger for my large hands but I can deal with it.

Going back to my G900 sucks. It feels so heavy now even though the G900 only weighs 107g

I wonder how Finalmouse Ultralight users feel when they are using other mouses

Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Dec 30, 2018

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
Man I got a g900 and I wish it was heavier

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rabid Snake posted:

The Logitech G Pro Wireless rules. I just wish it was a tad bit bigger for my large hands but I can deal with it.

Going back to my G900 sucks. It feels so heavy now even though the G900 only weighs 107g

I wonder how Finalmouse Ultralight users feel when they are using other mouses

I have both and i went back to my razer deathadder for a day while cleaning the others. Its just terrible. Everything feel noticeably slower and my hand gets tired faster.

Its as bad as going back to 60hz after 144hz

Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette
I tried to find a new mouse before to replace my heavy G502, trying and eventually reselling or returning the G900, G403, and the G Pro. Eventually I decided to cut a bunch of holes into my G502 to lighten it up and stuck with that for a couple years.

I bought the G Pro Wireless and uh, yeah, it's the perfect mouse. I guess it could be cheaper, or have some more features, but weight/shape/click wise it's so good that I end up not thinking about it.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Im very happy to have the average hand size its meant for because I would not want to miss out on the g pro wireless for gaming. Its a noticeable improvement in my stats. Finalmouse ultralight is a close second but its barely too big for my short wide palm

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I wish all mice had big yaoi hands edition cause even using mice that are meant for palm grip I still end up thinking it could be like an inch longer

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy
Have there been any updates on the MX518 refresh Logitech launched in China?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

They're on ebay but who knows if those are legit. If my G400S wasn't still working I'd consider getting one to see, but I've settled on the G502 for now.

They seem to have MX518 Legendary box art:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-New-Mode-l-Logitech-MX518-Legendary-Classic-Gaming-Mouse-16000DPI-HERO/183523725403

Otacon
Aug 13, 2002


Happy 2019, mouse thread goons!

Reading through the past couple pages and notice a few of you having issues with Logitech mice double-clicking. My 2-year old G700s (which was a warranty replacement for my G700) also developed the issue, but it didn't start getting REALLY bad until this past week. I've contacted Logitech support and they are offering to replace it with the G703. This seems like a huge downgrade to me, and the Amazon reviews aren't promising either - many of which state the same double-click issue crops up (including a finicky scrollwheel which my G700s has as well.) I also don't want to go from 4 thumb-buttons on my G700s (all of which I use constantly) back down to 2 thumb-buttons on the G703. I asked if they have any other mice to offer but I'm still waiting to hear back. I really hate the visual direction they took with the G900 series as well, which also are getting slammed due to double-clicking issues. Seems like the past few years haven't been kind for Logitech - I still fondly remember the many years of superb use with my MX518.

My co-worker let me try out his Logitech MX Master 2S and it feels pretty decent, and at least has 3 thumb-buttons (and a side-scroll which could be useful) but I doubt Logitech would offer that for my G700s. And thank you for turning me onto the G Pro, it looks great and has the buttons and features I'd need - definitely an expensive option though. I'll check back if they offer any other models.

If I decide to ditch Logitech for good this time, what are some of the higher quality brands, preferably with a Logitech-level warranty? I've never had good luck with Razer products, which have been the only other keyboard+mouse brand I've tried (at least since my first-gen Microsoft Intellimouse!) I'm looking into the new wireless Steel Series Rival 650 which looks good but has a bunch of features I'm not sure I'd really use.

Fauxtool
Oct 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
If it's gaming zowie is just about the only universally liked mouse brand without some major problem. Razer and Logitech are both fine. They just sell so much product that the sample size of defective ones seems bigger. If you are going wireless, the g pro is the only lightweight low latency low power draw mouse on the market.

Personally I don't like steelseries based on my personal bad experience with repeated defects on the same device through multiple rmas. Also you can't really find the mouse you like and stick with it over the years because they keep overhauling their design

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isndl
May 2, 2012
I WON A CONTEST IN TG AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS CUSTOM TITLE
Razer QA might be debatable due to volume but their customer support is generally recognized as being quite poor. And don't even try to defend their driver suite.

Microsoft mice are boring but good quality. If you don't need specialist features they're worth considering.

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