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Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

Just going back to the recessionary effects of falling house prices, the largest part of the current problem is from Sir John Howard legislating the capital gains tax discount. This meant people used negative gearing to lower their tax on renovating properties and then sell them at a low rate of tax on the sale price.

Negative gearing hasn’t really been the problem, the lack of CGT has. If a ~future government~ removes the discount, suddenly there would be less incentive to buy houses for speculation.

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Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Vahtooch posted:

I've actually met the slimy bastard and so this is giving me a feeling that's so drat good.

This is actually a pretty huge deal as well considering how high up he is

There was this girl in primary school who was a huge bitch to me, and her mum used to brag about being related to him. I wonder if she still does.

Gentleman Baller
Oct 13, 2013
https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenABC/status/1072689352554074112

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

reported

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
This was the only thing I took from the latest Barnaby Joyce leadership story:

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



The Australian expression 'yellow stumps' is the name for an imaginary point beyond which the country is considered remote or uncivilised, an abstract marker of the limits of established settlement. The origin of the expression, especially in its evolved use as an imaginary marker in the landscape, is contested. The various claims are discussed below.

bell jar
Feb 25, 2009


get out the bear mace

snoremac
Jul 27, 2012

I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

This was the only thing I took from the latest Barnaby Joyce leadership story:


Use that Rinehart money for some new teeth.

Turks
Nov 16, 2006

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:

The Australian expression 'yellow stumps' is the name for an imaginary point beyond which the country is considered remote or uncivilised, an abstract marker of the limits of established settlement. The origin of the expression, especially in its evolved use as an imaginary marker in the landscape, is contested. The various claims are discussed below.

Turks fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Dec 12, 2018

Horsebanger
Jun 25, 2009

Steering wheel! Hey! Steering wheel! Someone tell him to give it to me!

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

This was the only thing I took from the latest Barnaby Joyce leadership story:



Red and Yellow go together I guess?

The Lord Bude
May 23, 2007

ASK ME ABOUT MY SHITTY, BOUGIE INTERIOR DECORATING ADVICE
He looks like an Orc with those bottom fangs sticking up. It suits him.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
Two things I never thought I would see in my lifetime

Pell actually facing court

Pell actually getting convicted

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

BBJoey posted:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...211-p50lis.html

The Australian Border Force plans to save money on fuel by pulling ships from ocean patrols, amid a high-stakes political fight between the Morrison government and Labor over border security policy.

The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age has sighted an internal Border Force email stating that “operational limitations” will be imposed to achieve a saving in the annual fuel budget and “ships will cease active patrolling to achieve this fuel saving”.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

This is going to turn into another of those "let them drown" things, isn't it.

Babies overboard = those monsters!

Babies left to drown = economic necessities, blame Labor.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
Don't need no patrols if we stopped the boats

*taps head*

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
pretty sure a boat made it to the mainland a few months ago right? no one gave a poo poo

screaden
Apr 8, 2009

Horsebanger posted:

Red and Yellow go together I guess?

It's an even more disgusting visual representation of the windows hot dog stand theme

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again

Reclines Obesily posted:

pretty sure a boat made it to the mainland a few months ago right? no one gave a poo poo

Didn't one of them get on a tinnie and have beer with some Bogan fishermen who protected them from police while catching fish and smoking durries?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Anidav posted:

Didn't one of them get on a tinnie and have beer with some Bogan fishermen who protected them from police while catching fish and smoking durries?

No, they had a beer then the bogans dobbed them in

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

You Am I posted:

No, they had a beer then the bogans dobbed them in

pretty sure after all the lib/lab security laws over the past few years you get executed if you dont

Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar

Anidav posted:

Didn't one of them get on a tinnie and have beer with some Bogan fishermen who protected them from police while catching fish and smoking durries?

lol this is australia pal

the narc fucks took some selfies so they could show everyone how fair dinkum accepting they were then immediately turned them over to the pigs

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves
Wait wasn't Pell only charged with assisting in cover ups?

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Gridlocked posted:

Wait wasn't Pell only charged with assisting in cover ups?

His name was dropped as someone assisting with cover ups in Ballarat, however he has child sexual assault charges as well.

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.

Gridlocked posted:

Wait wasn't Pell only charged with assisting in cover ups?

There are two cases, this one involved penetration of a minor and was the more serious of the charges. He's not leaving jail.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

He probably won't enter jail either.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
A certain Cardinal that must not be named is trending on twitter in Australia.

Whitlam
Aug 2, 2014

Some goons overreact. Go figure.
https://facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156998221648793&id=605263792

Spills for the spill gods


Cate Faehrmann posted:

"Hi all, Justin Field and I have just sent this letter to NSW Greens members, local groups, office bearers, councillors and Greens MPs. The NSW Greens are at a crossroads. Please sign and share this open letter if you are a member, former member, Greens supporter or voter and support our calls for urgent reform.

-----

We joined the Greens because it is the only party that understands the urgency of saving the planet, getting action on climate change and creating a more equal society.

Unfortunately, recent events have damaged the NSW Greens standing in the eyes of members and the wider community. This has become a crisis that not only threatens to derail our upcoming election campaigns but the party itself.
The NSW Greens is at a crossroads and urgent action is necessary to prevent an irrevocable split of the party.

The recent actions of one of our Greens colleagues using parliamentary privilege to make unsubstantiated allegations against Jeremy Buckingham to pressure him to resign was distressing for many members, including us. So, too, was the profoundly anti-democratic behaviour at last weekend’s State Delegates Council.

Clearly, if Jeremy is forced to withdraw, a recount is required so that those members who voted for him can have their preferences represented on the final makeup of the ticket. This is the only way to ensure the democratic intention of the membership is reflected at the state election in March.

Also distressingly, the NSW Greens have been undermined by a deliberate and systematic effort by a small group of members motivated by extreme left ideology. Theirs is a deeply divise form of politics that poisons goodwill and destabilised our core principles as Greens. Left Renewal was formed almost two years ago and since then a large group of people from the entryist ‘revolutionary socialist’ organisation Solidarity have joined and become active in the NSW Greens. Their involvement and combative approach to the party has been endorsed and encouraged by a few current and recent Greens MPs and senior party officials.

As a result, as Greens MPs who have dedicated decades to supporting, building and representing this party, we are giving serious consideration to whether we can continue as members of the NSW Greens.

We know we are not alone. In recent weeks we have been inundated by members and supporters who have contacted us expressing similar sentiments.

The animosity, lack of trust and bad faith pursued by these wrecking forces within the party has reached a point where two immediate actions are required to demonstrate a genuine commitment to improve democracy and accountability in the party, and to remove destructive forces.

By next Monday 17 December we require a binding agreement from the party for the following:

1. A process for a democratic recount of the ballots for the recent preselection for the NSW Legislative Council ticket for 2019, with Jeremy Buckingham’s votes redistributed, and agreement that the outcome is formally endorsed as the new ticket order if Jeremy decides to step down from the ballot.

2. That Solidarity and the NSW Greens ‘socialist tendency’ called Left Renewal be added to the list of proscribed organisations under Section 2.13 of the NSW Greens constitution and the party commence a process to expel people who remain members of these organisations from the NSW Greens.

To do this the NSW Greens Secretary will need to initiate the Quick Decision Making (QDM) process in the NSW Greens constitution and it will require members to step forward and actively work to ensure this QDM is supported.

To this end we are encouraging members and supporters to sign up here to an open letter calling on the party to support these changes. We would welcome your support by signing on.

Of course these are only the first steps to reform and rebuilding good will, but without urgent agreement to these actions we have no faith the change that needs to happen will occur.

We have dedicated ourselves to the Greens over decades because we have been inspired by the passion and commitment of thousands of members like you to Greens values and principles.

Honesty, integrity, due process and natural justice - these are fundamental values that any voter should expect in a political party and candidates putting themselves forward for election. Currently the NSW Greens cannot claim to be meeting these most basic tests.

To those members who have contacted us and to the many others who share these concerns we urge you to add your name to the open letter here and spread the word.

We only have the next decade to act to prevent catastrophic climate change. We have a duty to be directing all of our energy to this urgent campaign, but currently the NSW Greens party is holding us back.

Please forward this letter on to your local group or any other Greens members you know.

Regards,

Cate Faehrmann and Justin Field".

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

I'm still unclear on which faction Buckingham is/was in

e: I guess he's a tree tory if that letter is trying to have the left proscribed (lmao)

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

SPLIT
YOU
FUCKS

im alan jones
Feb 1, 2009

the muhammad ali of radio

the (no nastiness) party

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:
Greens taking steps to appeal more to the conservative base

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Two things I never thought I would see in my lifetime

Pell actually facing court

Pell actually getting convicted

Seems ironic given how many priests he helped avoid prosecution. Just a pity it wasn't much earlier and the conspiracy to protect a ring of abusers can't be proved.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




The Greens, the party of the sensible centre, because Rupert told us the left is unelectable

clusterfuck
Feb 6, 2004


As far as I can tell, Cate Faehrmann has been making the point that there's not enough evidence on Buckingham to boot him. That's not endorsing everything about Buckingham, that's just arguing for due process.

Buckingham is the Greens, country style. He's been effective while the worst tendency of the Greens IMO is failing to connect outside of their base. It shits me no end that Buckingham has been someone making headway in the country with Lock the Gate and yet he's been so much trouble especially wrt this sex pest claim. From what I've seen of the evidence I don't find it compelling. e: I'd take Buckingham in a heartbeat over that West Melbourne rapper wanker or that other Victorian rapist.

I've been on board with the Greens while they've been a party that can encompass people ranging from Cate to Lee Rhiannon to Di Natale to Bandt to Jenny Leung to Buckingham. When they split and become one or the other they're done in my view. Personally, if Cate's side prevails I'd be more inclined to support them than if Lee's side prevailed - but it's a long walk back either way and I'd have to consider if it's worth it.

clusterfuck fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Dec 12, 2018

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

clusterfuck posted:

As far as I can tell, Cate Faehrmann has been making the point that there's not enough evidence on Buckingham to boot him. That's not endorsing everything about Buckingham, that's just arguing for due process.

Buckingham is the Greens, country style. He's been effective while the worst tendency of the Greens IMO is failing to connect outside of their base. It shits me no end that Buckingham has been someone making headway in the country with Lock the Gate and yet he's been so much trouble especially wrt this sex pest claim. From what I've seen of the evidence I don't find it compelling. e: I'd take Buckingham in a heartbeat over that West Melbourne rapper wanker or that other Victorian rapist.

I've been on board with the Greens while they've been a party that can encompass people ranging from Cate to Lee Rhiannon to Di Natale to Bandt to Jenny Leung to Buckingham. When they split and become one or the other they're done in my view. Personally, if Cate's side prevails I'd be more inclined to support them than if Lee's side prevailed - but it's a long walk back either way and I'd have to consider if it's worth it.

:chloe:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Animal Justice 1 ALP 2

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Anidav posted:

QLD Soc 1 ALP 2

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

At this point the strength of the evidence seems somewhat irrelevant in his case - even assuming his innocence it’s simply causing too much damage to the party’s reputation to keep him around and the fact that his supporters would rather have this whole damaging fight over a guy that’s already cost them significant membership bleed and reputational damage shows just how much harm insularity causes. They’d rather rule over a destroyed party than do the mature thing, which is to let him go and have a look at the clearly-insufficient party procedures for handling this kind of thing

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
If QLD Soc actually formed I would join immediately but we are dreamers.

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:


Snake people?

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Turks
Nov 16, 2006

clusterfuck posted:

As far as I can tell, Cate Faehrmann has been making the point that there's not enough evidence on Buckingham to boot him. That's not endorsing everything about Buckingham, that's just arguing for due process.

Buckingham is the Greens, country style. He's been effective while the worst tendency of the Greens IMO is failing to connect outside of their base. It shits me no end that Buckingham has been someone making headway in the country with Lock the Gate and yet he's been so much trouble especially wrt this sex pest claim. From what I've seen of the evidence I don't find it compelling. e: I'd take Buckingham in a heartbeat over that West Melbourne rapper wanker or that other Victorian rapist.

I've been on board with the Greens while they've been a party that can encompass people ranging from Cate to Lee Rhiannon to Di Natale to Bandt to Jenny Leung to Buckingham. When they split and become one or the other they're done in my view. Personally, if Cate's side prevails I'd be more inclined to support them than if Lee's side prevailed - but it's a long walk back either way and I'd have to consider if it's worth it.

"Due process" is the legal requirement that the state must respect all legal rights that are owed to a person. The party room is not a court, representing the party is a privilege and can be revoked for little to no reason. All they need is to not like him (which I get the impression they don't) and that's good enough to not let him run in the next election.

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