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Duke 1 and 2 had a better Duke because the character there was already the Duke of 3D and especially later only not taken as seriously.
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It wouldn't be hard to write Duke as a massive dork that quotes action movies unironically, owns a motorcycle and guns and such strictly as macho paraphernalia, and hits the Bowflex every night while rewatching Andy Sidaris movies. Just some lonely guy that's trying way too hard - somewhere between Johnny Bravo and Lo Wang from the SW reboot, but sadder. Give me a two minute single take shot of him getting drunk in a strip club, alone, with a muffled mono mix of a Cherry Pie soundalike playing the background. But aliens invade and, suddenly, he has purpose and direction. "Lovable loser finds joy, acceptance and meaning in life," it brings the house down every time. I think I'm the entire target demo for the concept of "Duke Nukem, but with pathos" though 
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Dec 12, 2018 01:29
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I like that. Just the first 40 minutes of Duke getting poo poo on, but played for laughs. But also kind of sad at the same time. Then right when you're thinking "What the gently caress is this movie?" it launches into a 60 minute long action sequence
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Dec 12, 2018 01:32
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In Duke 1 he tells the evil scientist guy that he'll kick the scientist's rear end so quick that Duke will still be able to catch Oprah. And in Duke 2, the game starts with Duke being abducted while he's promoting his hit book "Why I'm So Great" on Oprah. That's the kinda stuff toilet fishing Duke just can't do.
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Dec 12, 2018 01:33
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Yeah, Duke Nukem being atypical and dorky as an action hero would work perfectly, but by the time of DNF and its prolonged development they lost all traces of self-awareness (to be fair a lot of that was already going away in Duke 3D).
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Dec 12, 2018 01:37
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If I wrote a Duke Nukem screenplay in the year of our lord 2019, I'd keep him almost exactly the same as 1996 Duke, but I'd temper his politically-incorrect attributes by giving him a fetish for sexual submission and an obsession with poo (which is canonically supported by one-liners like "I'll rip off your head and poo poo down your neck" and the interactive turd in DNF). Nobody cares about a dude who oogles women if he also likes wading through raw sewage.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:by giving him a fetish for sexual submission and an obsession with poo
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Also Oprah should make a cameo
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Dec 12, 2018 02:39
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Duke loves corny action movies and wants to be like Rambo and Ash from Evil Dead. Wrote a bad book about himself (lets be honest, he's probably a horrible writer the likes of Cliff Blezinski). Is sex positive (Let's forget about Forever for the sake of the argument) and likes to watch kinky BDSM sex with dominatrixes so he's not just all about toxic male domination. Make the movie about him being kind of a dolt but able to womanise and pulverise aliens just like Ash in Ash Vs Evil Dead whenever he needs to be the hero and make sure he's totally incompetent at everything else. Make him the butt of jokes and show that he shouldn't be taken seriously and you've got a movie 90% of the public can go and watch and not have to feel like they have to apologise for seeing it afterwards. As bad as Forever is and paints him badly. I'm sad because of it that the other games feel tainted. I like playing the role of a badass hero that quotes action movies and want to believe in the Duke. Just not one under Gearbox.
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Mordja posted:Yeah, nobody wants to hear about your home life. Won't stop me from writing my Duke-themed memoirs  Negrostrike posted:Also Oprah should make a cameo Oh absolutely Cream-of-Plenty fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Half life changed my life. That video made me equal parts nostalgically happy and Solaris 2.0 posted:Thank you for sharing this! Half-Life was also one of the more formative games of my teenage years. I think I've played the campaign (the original and black mesa) well over 3 dozen times. Lord knows how many hundreds of hours I poured into mods such as Firearms, Team Fortress, Day of Defeat, Counter-Strike, ect. Hell yeah! The  is real though, especially during the last third of the doc. The potential is like a dagger to the fanboy heart, there is no way Valve is gonna release HL3 or even EP3.
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The 25th Anniversary goodness continues: Top 25 Cacoward Snubs
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BaconCopter posted:Hell yeah! The The whole commentary on HL3 and the future of Half-Life being handed over to the fans is quite the silver lining, though. The tail end of the doc definitely changed my mind. I've always thought episode 3 would be just swell, someday, when Valve have some neat ideas to carry it. I'm a patient boy, but I always believed they would eventually do it. Now, I'd prefer they didn't. Games really are a whole different beast now--a new Half-Life episode picking up from the end of Ep2 would feel dated, and there's definitely no way they could ever hope to live up to the hype. Giving modders the freedom to do whatever they want with their IPs may just be the most impressive thing they can do with HL at this point. Rather than giving us a single game that's likely to be a disappointment, we get near limitless potential. An infinity of possibilities in how Gordon's story might end is probably the aptest way of wrapping up a series of games dealing with theoretical physics in the way HL does.
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He needs a hug but he deserves a punch.
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Is Borderlands 3 the next Citizen Kane? Is Borderlands 3 the next Citizen Kane? Is Borderlands 3 the next Citizen Kane? Is Borderlands 3 the next Citizen Kane?
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treat posted:The whole commentary on HL3 and the future of Half-Life being handed over to the fans is quite the silver lining, though. The tail end of the doc definitely changed my mind. I've always thought episode 3 would be just swell, someday, when Valve have some neat ideas to carry it. I'm a patient boy, but I always believed they would eventually do it. Now, I'd prefer they didn't. Games really are a whole different beast now--a new Half-Life episode picking up from the end of Ep2 would feel dated, and there's definitely no way they could ever hope to live up to the hype. Giving modders the freedom to do whatever they want with their IPs may just be the most impressive thing they can do with HL at this point. Rather than giving us a single game that's likely to be a disappointment, we get near limitless potential. An infinity of possibilities in how Gordon's story might end is probably the aptest way of wrapping up a series of games dealing with theoretical physics in the way HL does. Totes, no doot aboot it. The silver lining turns a travesty into something decent. It's a great spin (or maybe angle) on Valve failing to fulfill their stated goals and floundering on their main IP. Project Borealis and the hypothetical Xen episode of Black Mesa give me hope; I've got sleeping bags, tents and military rations that won't go bad until 2021, something will eventually get released, right? I couldn't help but walk away from the documentary loathing current gaming culture... f2p battle royale trash heaps being reaped for endless dumpster cash. I really miss the modding insanity of older days. Borderlands 3? Could anything be less interesting? Maybe Bioshock 4: Pissing on the Fetid Corpse of System Shock 2 would turn out worse.
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Dec 12, 2018 09:36
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Always bet on Duke. *disappears in a puff of smoke like a cool wizard...*
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Cursed image. DoombatINC posted:It wouldn't be hard to write Duke as a massive dork that quotes action movies unironically, owns a motorcycle and guns and such strictly as macho paraphernalia, and hits the Bowflex every night while rewatching Andy Sidaris movies. Just some lonely guy that's trying way too hard - somewhere between Johnny Bravo and Lo Wang from the SW reboot, but sadder. Give me a two minute single take shot of him getting drunk in a strip club, alone, with a muffled mono mix of a Cherry Pie soundalike playing the background. But aliens invade and, suddenly, he has purpose and direction. "Lovable loser finds joy, acceptance and meaning in life," it brings the house down every time. All that would work great as long as they ditch the misogyny, which wouldn't even require changing anything important about the character.
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Modern Duke would have to have actual comedy writers on it, or at the very least someone with an actual sense of humor. He was never really funny to anyone but people who laugh at pop culture references or people who like transgression for the sake of transgression (and to be honest that part of the character didn't really exist until DNF). It doesn't mean he couldn't have been likable, he just never actually had a good joke or very funny observation. But building a spoof around a guy like Duke wouldn't necessarily have to rely on the tired old idea people have floated for over a decade that the story has to poo poo on him because modern people would hate his politics or something.Duke could be done earnestly well without having to bring the "It looks like you're hosed" baggage along. Maybe start out with Duke driving everyone nuts by not shutting up. You don't necessarily play the "he's a tired old mysoginist and he wouldn't fit today," angle as it could just be that he's annoying the crap out of everyone. Then at some point, he's stuck wearing a helmet and someone forgets to turn his radio on. He's unable to speak and as he's trying to get dialogue out, people as a result end up really genuinely liking and respecting him because they see him just killing aliens without constantly spitting cheesy lines. He starts realizing what's going on and as the game goes on, he doesn't necessarily dump his character, but instead just the worse parts of it. Or tie the pop culture stuff well into gameplay. Build a good shooter game, then use it to have fun with other games. Off the top of my head, have the AC-130 level from the chunk of modern military games a few years ago. Cut to the thermal cam and he refuses to keep a distance from the enemies, so it turns into a short twin-stick (or M+K) top-down segment as the plane crew watches and goes from being bored and frustrated to cheering him on Mad World style. I'm not saying either of these ideas are good, but it's something new. Keep it paced well and it could be a believable change-up and a fun way of writing Duke without having to shame him.
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when was the misogyny introduced? maybe my memory of duke 3d is bad, but aside from the whole 'shake it baby' thing i dont remember him being particularly misogynist. DNF was loving awful in that regard, but i'd hope any future projects would just ignore that whole chapter. also i still hate randy pitchford for cheating that guy who was doing the duke 3d remaster thing.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Cursed image. There's an achievement in DNF that says "hedonist, not misogynist". And he does save Earth's women who were kidnapped by aliens. I did like how the producer on the movie mentioned Deadpool in interviews and said they'd comment on this and that Duke can break the fourth wall etc, at least it's somewhere in a ballpark that could work, since Deadpool landed well. And 90s Deadpool comics aren't that far-off from Duke in a lot of ways. Also Lobo.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:when was the misogyny introduced? maybe my memory of duke 3d is bad, but aside from the whole 'shake it baby' thing i dont remember him being particularly misogynist. DNF was loving awful in that regard, but i'd hope any future projects would just ignore that whole chapter. I don't think he was ever a misogynist even in DNF, with all the crass hedonistic behavior you never get the impression he hates or is prejudice against women. Flannelette fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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There's some stuff in there that didn't quite land, he says one line in particular fans find appalling, a poorly timed pun in a horrific alien hive scene, about the demise of those twins. But the character is pure, Duke is still a great fun character to use in the right hands. Vascular strong hands. In general I think the anti-Duke articles like at AV Club are kneejerk, the character can work. You've got to be able to have weird characters. There was a hit showtime show about a valiant serial killer vigilante who raises some kids. Action cheeseball who is like Johnny Bravo and wants women a lot, is also like Clint Eastwood meets Roddy Piper, and a bit tongue in cheek, it's a recipe for success. It can't lose in hands with any competence. I was fighting Master Hand and whatnot in Smash Bros recently, random note.
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Flannelette posted:I don't think he was ever a misogynist even in DNF, with all the crash hedonistic behavior you never get the impression he hates or is prejudice against women. theres the holsom twins thing and his reaction to it that is real bad
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Spider-Man has had more harrowing moments, but in general this is the life of the pop culture icon, they've all made mistakes.
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Like Duke, Deadpool is something that was way better in the 90's
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juggalo baby coffin posted:theres the holsom twins thing and his reaction to it that is real bad
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i consider dnf to be a non-canon hallucination by axemaniac after he hit his head when he passed out jacking off to the torture porn he draws
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Dec 12, 2018 11:01
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So, yes, there is a good jump of difficulty between Episode 1 and Episode 2 in Dusk. I'm still decent enough that I can play Ep 2 on 4th difficulty, but increasing the amount of save scumming. Mmm maybe I will lower it to 3rd difficulty and use quicksave less.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:theres the holsom twins thing and his reaction to it that is real bad If you're talking about the bit where they died that seemed more because he's a tone deaf 1-dimensional, emotionally stunted character than only thinking of women as objects. He'd probably say something equally bad if his best bro or dog got killed in front of him because he can't manage normal human interactions. The writing for the twins seems worse than him. Flannelette fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i consider dnf to be a non-canon hallucination by axemaniac after he hit his head when he passed out jacking off to the torture porn he draws But enough about talking about Duke in microwave's mom pic.
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Dec 12, 2018 11:43
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All the talk about Duke being an awful character tends to gloss over the fact that his games are also bad
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Great level design, for the most part. Awful enemy design for the most part.
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...but let's not be remiss, and miss the humor of the situation, the... absurdity of it all... for certainly, there is a reason that the visual shorthand for drama includes both the crying mask AND a laughing mask. Comedy and tragedy complement each other, and meld together to create drama, tension, the height of humanity, the peak of art, that reflects back to us our own condition... ...and here... in its basest form, we can laugh at this game... yes, game, in which a Duke kicks rear end... Hah... when was the last time you've seen such a thing in your life? Never, I presume... I certainly never have...
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:All the talk about Duke being an awful character tends to gloss over the fact that his games are also bad No. Just most of them. If you take all the good levels from 3d and some of 2 you almost have one good game. DatonKallandor posted:Great level design, for the most part. Awful enemy design for the most part.  (ok they're terrible).
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*steps up to the microphone, gives it a few taps, nods assertively as the feedback whine fades* Ahem... *taps the microphone a few more times for good measure* Heh heh. Heh heheheh heh. Ahem. Dookie Nukem. *nods once, walks away*
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