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did some coding last night I wrote a tool on my 9000/433s to extract the files from the tape images of Domain/OS 10.4… so I could turn around and use dd to write them to a DAT from which I could start an installation
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been trying to figure out what glibc's loving problem is nowcode:
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uninstall the i686 headers.
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Trying to figure out why it's already there before I start removing glibc stuff and breaking something
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brand engager posted:Trying to figure out why it's already there before I start removing glibc stuff and breaking something you won’t. the 64 package contains both 32 and 64 bit headers. I ran into the same issue.
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i686 packages have to be manually added to the AMD64 version of the distro and they screwed up the update (alternately, they screwed up the original Fedora 28 release by including it in the first place and have been manually fixing it every glibc update except this one) the good news is that glibc-headers.i686 is identical to the x86_64 version of the package and can be safely removed (RPM knows that the files are shared between the i686 and x86_64 versions of the packages and won't delete them as long as the x86_64 version is still installed)
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huh the x64 version required it for some reasoncode:
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got X11 working! turns out the stock /etc/fstab doesn’t have entries for either the ptyfs that provides /dev/pts or the tmpfs that backs /var/shm X11R7 with just a few xterm windows is surprisingly usable in 16MB, but I installed more RAM tonight and with 72MB it doesn’t even hit swap to do some basic stuff with X, e.g. xterm, xman, xedit, xclock, and the all-important xeyes of course if I want to write my own stuff for X, I have some new reference material… 
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what does t stand for in Xt? i assume it’s the same as t in Qt, which I also do not know of
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X toolkit, short for X toolkit intrinsics it’s an API for implementing controls, but doesn’t itself have any the next layer up are toolkits like Xaw (Athena widgets) and OLIT (Open Look Interface Toolkit) that provide sets of controls built with Xt
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eschaton posted:X toolkit, short for X toolkit intrinsics Of course, nothing more recent than Motif uses it. It's dead early 90s tech. Qt doesn't use it, nor does gtk. Edit: I used to work at Trolltech. I think Qt's a riff on Xt, it was originally supposed to be pronounced 'cute' but noone actually did that. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Dec 9, 2018 |
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eschaton posted:got X11 working! now you can run emacs
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YOSPOS > 2018 LOTD: I got X11 working!
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seriously contemplating trying to build emacs 18 or 19 but I don’t know if modern NetBSD and X11 will be compatible I just tried to build xfm-1.4.3 from source and it worked (with tons of “missing sentinel” warnings) after only a couple tweaks to get alloca() from <stdlib.h> rather than <alloca.h> and to not redefine sys_errlist (ugh) I haven’t installed and tried it yet because I’m not sure how to tell it to install in /usr/local instead of /usr/X11R7, I’ve never actually dealt with imake before (I did tell it not to use Xaw3d or the 3D pixmaps, why would you not want it to use the standard Athena widget set?!)
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why not emacs 26?
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why emacs?
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eight megs and constantly swapping
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ratbert90 posted:why emacs? because playing with retro operating systems is fun
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why not emacs 26? because I’d prefer to only build for a day, not a week, and I have much more confidence 18 or 19 will run reasonably in the RAM that I have (72MB real, 384MB swap)
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vim HEAD vs. emacs 18 would be a fun comparison imo
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eschaton posted:2018 the year of NetBSD on Apollo a 68040 with 16mb was a beast in the amiga days, of course it's usable x is probably going to work fine too if you manage to run it
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:vim HEAD vs. emacs 18 would be a fun comparison imo turns out they both suck
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Shaggar posted:turns out they both suck Like you would know good HEAD from a hole in the ground.
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Forums search doesn’t come up with anything, but surely the POS has seen this interview with Stallman in the New Left Review of all outlets? https://newleftreview.org/II/113/richard-stallman-talking-to-the-mailman
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You’re widely recognized as the world’s leading campaigner for software freedom, having led the development of the GNU operating system. Today, the GNU /Linux operating system, and free (libre) software more broadly, underpin much of the internet, yet new structures have emerged that can wield a great deal of power over users. We’d like to talk to you about the present computing landscape and the political relevance of free software. But may we start by asking about your formation, as a programmer and as a thinker—how did it all begin? [eats toe jam]
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Zlodo posted:a 68040 with 16mb was a beast in the amiga days, of course it's usable it does, it just needed some extra entries in /etc/fstab that weren’t put there by the installer for some reason of course it runs much much better in 72MB last night I set up my 10Base-2 to 10Base-T bridge and the system is now on my network, and accessible via ssh—boy does it take a while to log in, and the host key is relatively weak too I also enabled mdnsd but unfortunately there’s no config file in that version that supports automatic service registration, so I need to write a script or something to do a dns-sd -R virtue _ssh._tcp . 22 or whatever for all the services I care about at startup NetBSD really needs a modern initialization system…
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eschaton posted:... does it use rc.d scripts or similar? i've never really used netbsd
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NetBSD just uses straight up rc.d scripts and rc.conf and I think FreeBSD and OpenBSD do too it has useful function libraries that make the typical script very simple, but it’s still a script and there’s no on-demand activation like (say) mach_init and launchd offer
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btrfs gets proper swapfile support in 4.21! finally Btrfs Restoring Support For Swap Files With Linux 4.21 tl;dr remember nocow (chattr +C) Tankakern fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Dec 12, 2018 |
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Tankakern posted:btrfs gets proper swapfile support in 4.21! finally lol you use btrfs
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it's the better fs, it even says so in the name
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eschaton posted:NetBSD really needs a modern initialization system… 
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for tinkering about rc.d is fine and good, and netbsd is only fine and good for tinkering around
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I legit laughed out loud when I saw this
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el dorito posted:I legit laughed out loud when I saw this yup me too
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