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70 | 41.92% |
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21 | 12.57% |
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12 | 7.19% |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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To me this is the hardest decision of the tournament both are so loving bad in such different ways. Booker vs HHH is more racist than you remember and the Hawk angle, I still can't believe it aired. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1072689646319136769
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Dec 12, 2018 04:09
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I went with Booker/HHH because it is the most blatantly racist angle WWE has maybe ever done when you consider how it ended. There was no triumph over bigotry or anything for the crowd to cheer. White supremacy was shown to be the correct viewpoint.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:28
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The Booker T angle was complete bullshit on a million different levels, both kayfabe and real life. Here's a good article from a black fan's perspective on how lovely it really felt (and the Hogan joke is depressingly prescient): https://uproxx.com/prowrestling/triple-h-booker-t-wrestlemania-19-anniversary/quote:“You’re not here to be a competitor. You’re here to be an entertainer.”
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Dec 12, 2018 04:30
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Rare miss on the seeding here, imo. Booker going to beat Hawk 3 to 1. That was the drat mania program for raw. Hawk angle may not make this list if Hawk doesn’t die a few years later.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:30
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I don't see myself voting against HHH/Booker the rest of the way tbh. That's always stood out to me as one of the most abhorrent things I've ever seen on weekly TV
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Dec 12, 2018 04:32
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mkay0 posted:Rare miss on the seeding here, imo. Booker going to beat Hawk 3 to 1. That was the drat mania program for raw. Even if Hawk doesn't die it is booking a guy with substance abuse issues to do a storyline where he has substance abuse issues, tries to kill himself and then gets shoved off of the Titantron while he's threatening to kill himself. It pissed Animal off enough that he's still mad about it. Scott Hall didn't die and the Hall is a drunk angle from WCW qualify for the WCW version of this tournament.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:33
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Jesus this is another tough one but my gut says HHH because saying people like Booker T can't be champion then defeating him cleanly with a single Pedigree still angers me to this day. I know the Vader/Ron Simmons angle is extremely similar with Harley Race giving his infamous "I was 7 times World Champion and I had a boy like you carry my bags." promo but at the end of the day Ron Simmons beat Vader. The Hawk thing is also loving terrible and makes a strong case for worst angle of the Attitude Era but maybe I am a bit partial because I was a huge Booker T fan from back when WCW started pushing him as a singles competitor and was never a huge Legion of Doom fan.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:34
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The Hawk thing definitely belongs in this tournament but IMO it's a mismatch against Booker/HHH, which should be at least a few seeds higher
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Dec 12, 2018 04:35
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Now with all of that said the HHH vs Booker feud is worse than it appears too because we've had Ricardo and ADR both come out and state HHH tells racist jokes backstage and breeds further racism with his permissive attitude.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:36
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i didn't think very hard about it and voted for the wrong one and am regretting it so please don't bring this up later when reviewing history sides. i didnt watch the show at that time
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Dec 12, 2018 04:37
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And of course, beating Booker cleanly with a single pedigree wasn't enough. No...no...the pedigree had to be for a loving 20 count because HHH intentionally sandbagged and dragged rear end to make the pin. Oh and let's not forget that they destroyed Goldust's heat during this span by giving him the dumb stuttering gimmick, just to make sure the earth was completely salted on Booker's popularity.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:39
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Yeah the Booker T/HHH angle just wins it for me as from start to finish it was all there to humiliate Booker and in the end Racism won (Which given the WWE is not shocking now that I know more)
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Dec 12, 2018 04:41
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ChrisBTY posted:And of course, beating Booker cleanly with a single pedigree wasn't enough. Where is that comic showing the passing of time from the Pedigree to the pinfall?
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Dec 12, 2018 04:43
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With pretty much all of the seeds on the kayfabe side of the bracket I will fully admit angles where real life deaths or substance abuse issues were exploited got weighted extremely highly because so many wrestlers die in this business of substance abuse issues.
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Dec 12, 2018 04:44
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MassRafTer posted:With pretty much all of the seeds on the kayfabe side of the bracket I will fully admit angles where real life deaths or substance abuse issues were exploited got weighted extremely highly because so many wrestlers die in this business of substance abuse issues. Yeah it's extra scummy and deserves to be on the list just simply cause using Drug use as an angle is going to just lead to somebody relapsing especially when they are on the road and have little to no support. Add in suicide as well and it easily deserves it's seed It's just the Booker T/HHH racism is even worse
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Dec 12, 2018 04:54
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Of course HH came back. HHH must love him and also HH if you get my drift. The Booker T thing was by several orders of magnitude the worst thing HHH did during his 2003 run.
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Dec 12, 2018 05:01
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MassRafTer posted:Scott Hall didn't die and the Hall is a drunk angle from WCW qualify for the WCW version of this tournament. so are you running that one directly after this or will there be a short break
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Dec 12, 2018 12:44
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Apparently they tried to justify the Triple H promo by claiming that he was talking about ex-cons, not black people. Because nappy hair is a race-neutral ex-con stereotype.
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Dec 12, 2018 13:03
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Does anyone have that MSPaint comic of Triple H taking an eternity to cover Booker T? I feel that should be posted here. Also voted for Booker T cause holy drat that poo poo is abhorrent.
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Dec 12, 2018 15:12
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MassRafTer posted:To me this is the hardest decision of the tournament both are so loving bad in such different ways. Booker vs HHH is more racist than you remember and the Hawk angle, I still can't believe it aired. I went with racism because they've redone the "fall off the titantron" angle several times. Even WWE doesn't want you to remember just how racist it got against Booker T. That said, getting a dude with legit substance abuse problems to do a suicide angle including a stunt fall was pretty horrendous, even by Russo's metric(pretty sure that was a Russo jam, correct me if I'm wrong)
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Dec 12, 2018 16:03
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ThePariah posted:Apparently they tried to justify the Triple H promo by claiming that he was talking about ex-cons, not black people. Because nappy hair is a race-neutral ex-con stereotype. Where can I read more about this? bladeworksmaster posted:Does anyone have that MSPaint comic of Triple H taking an eternity to cover Booker T? I feel that should be posted here. https://twitter.com/hulkamatt/status/1072710338305581056?s=21
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Dec 12, 2018 17:12
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The "AIDS" panel always makes me laugh.
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Dec 12, 2018 18:03
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mkay0 posted:Where can I read more about this? There's lots of articles about the subject, but most of them just focus on the promo and the Wrestlemania match. This Wrestlecrap article is the first I could find that brings up the company's justification, but it's even worse than what the Wikipedia article claims. During a press conference for Wrestlemania XIX, Michael Cole asks Triple H if his promo was racist. That leads to this audio clip, where Triple H laughs at the idea and suggests that YOU are the real racist if you think the promo was racist.
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Dec 12, 2018 18:28
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And I love how they try to explain HHH winning by saying that Booker T had told people he was going to win, so they had to switch the win to HHH. Also, Booker tells the story that when it came to the booking of the WM match, he wasn't allowed to sit in on the discussion, but HHH was. HHH of course, defended his sitting in by saying "But I didn't say anything while they were booking it."
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Dec 12, 2018 19:04
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Thanks for that, always good for a laugh.
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Dec 12, 2018 19:31
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HHH+HH=HHHHH I'm sure you can get 14 or 88 out of that somehow.
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Dec 12, 2018 20:10
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I remember hearing that the original plan was for Booker to win, but then it was apparent that they were able to sign Goldberg and Triple H didn't want to lose the title to Booker so he could win it back and drop it to Goldberg. Then they got all "No, this angle isn't racist!" because they knew there was no happy ending and wanted to distance themselves from it.
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Dec 12, 2018 20:12
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I mean, I'm not sure WHY I'd be surprised that HHH is literally a "You're the real racist" guy. It makes perfect sense. But actually hearing him do it feels like a page turning.
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Dec 12, 2018 22:30
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Fitting week to talk more about the Montreal Screwjob. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1072948127529910273
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Dec 12, 2018 23:07
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Trips is a super well off white boy from Connecticut who always wanted to be a tough street wise metal head. He blows
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Dec 12, 2018 23:41
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I can't believe the screwjob is as close to winning as it is right now. The drug test poo poo is so much worse.
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Dec 12, 2018 23:44
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PUNKS DIET SODA posted:Trips is a super well off white boy from Connecticut who always wanted to be a tough street wise metal head. I take solace in the idea that Lemmy probably thought HHH was a lame nerd that paid him to make lovely songs.
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Dec 12, 2018 23:45
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WWE constantly using the screwjob to get heat is probably worse then the actual screwjob at this point. You have to be a real poo poo company to constantly bring up "Hey, remember that time we hosed with a guys contact".
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Dec 12, 2018 23:47
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Y'all in using Flamingo for Twitter and it doesn't show polls. What Twitter client for Android is good?
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Dec 12, 2018 23:52
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No drug testing actively contributed to people dying. That takes it for me.
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Dec 12, 2018 23:56
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mkay0 posted:Where can I read more about this? I'm positive somebody made a video version of this? Davros1 posted:Also, Booker tells the story that when it came to the booking of the WM match, he wasn't allowed to sit in on the discussion, but HHH was. HHH of course, defended his sitting in by saying "But I didn't say anything while they were booking it." From memory, they had another feud some years later and Booker insisted he be allowed to sit in on the booking meetings... the end result was him getting beaten clean by HHH yet again.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:15
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Charles Gnarwin posted:No drug testing actively contributed to people dying. That takes it for me. So did the Bret thing if you consider them not releasing Owen when he asked
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Dec 13, 2018 01:31
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Charles Gnarwin posted:No drug testing actively contributed to people dying. That takes it for me. If the Screwjob never happened Owen might still be alive because they wouldn't have needed to feel like humiliating him to get back at Bret
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Dec 13, 2018 01:35
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Chris James 2 posted:If the Screwjob never happened Owen might still be alive because they wouldn't have needed to feel like humiliating him to get back at Bret This is what I was debating with myself. The Hart family basically fell apart after Montreal. Though I think if it wasn't that it would have been something else.
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Dec 13, 2018 01:47
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64 decisions that led to deaths
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Dec 13, 2018 01:48
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