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Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller

Binary Logic posted:

Archie says of the farm, "There's something about this place that makes me feel at home". He didn't grow up on a farm, his father's always been in construction and he's always lived in Riverdale?! What a bizarre thing to say.

Think it might have been the hot girl eyefucking him that made him feel right at home

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Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

Still Fluxing
Feb 14, 2013

A vision. A picture in my head. A picture of this.

Binary Logic posted:


Archie says of the farm, "There's something about this place that makes me feel at home". He didn't grow up on a farm, his father's always been in construction and he's always lived in Riverdale?! What a bizarre thing to say.


Maybe he's a just a huge Smallville fan!

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Can I just say I've never actually seen this show and it's not really my thing, but hearing they are doing a whole season centered around.. uh.. loving D&D and satanic panic is the most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard and almost makes me want to.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Blazing Ownager posted:

Can I just say I've never actually seen this show and it's not really my thing, but hearing they are doing a whole season centered around.. uh.. loving D&D and satanic panic is the most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard and almost makes me want to.

It's weirder and dumber than you think it is. Like, no matter how weird and dumb you're imagining it to be I can guarantee you this show will find a way to top it. Always.

If that's the kind of thing you think you might enjoy then you should probably be watching.

Zane
Nov 14, 2007

Blazing Ownager posted:

Can I just say I've never actually seen this show and it's not really my thing, but hearing they are doing a whole season centered around.. uh.. loving D&D and satanic panic is the most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard and almost makes me want to.
i yell irl at my tv constantly when i watch this show. it's a good ol time. haven't been yelling as much at the past couple eps however.

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Blazing Ownager posted:

Can I just say I've never actually seen this show and it's not really my thing, but hearing they are doing a whole season centered around.. uh.. loving D&D and satanic panic is the most hilariously amazing thing I've ever heard and almost makes me want to.

you didn't even hear about the prison break fight club at juvie did you

trash person
Apr 5, 2006

Baby Executive is pleased with your performance!
I like how Hiram owns a town

a whole loving town

and apparently owns more.



Also Veronica being all, "Pops maybe my dad isn't so bad."

like bro c'mon she factually knows he is a 100% murderer who set up the love of her life for murder let him fight in a prison fight club and was setting him up to die

but since he helped her cheat at fuckin cards she's all, "ok my dad's maybe ok pops????"



man you know what would own is if they build veronica into a straight up villain. a lex luthor type situation

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Veronica's characterization in the comics is pretty schizophrenic, and the show's focused on her as Archie's love and the ultimate friend so far, so it would be fun to see her play Reggie's partner in crime and nefarious schemer for a while.

Still Fluxing
Feb 14, 2013

A vision. A picture in my head. A picture of this.

Zane posted:

i yell irl at my tv constantly when i watch this show. it's a good ol time. haven't been yelling as much at the past couple eps however.

Not even when Archie was ready to straight up murder a man with gardening shears? Because my vocal chords got a work out at that point.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Mameluke posted:

Veronica's characterization in the comics is pretty schizophrenic, and the show's focused on her as Archie's love and the ultimate friend so far, so it would be fun to see her play Reggie's partner in crime and nefarious schemer for a while.

Really? The plot is a jumbled mess and I barely remember anything anymore, but weren't she and Betty in a bad fight for a minute, and wasn't it very significantly Veronica's fault?

I love this dumb visual masterpiece but the plotting is so silly it doesn't really register in any meaningful way. Gargoyles & Gumdrops or whatever, you know?

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

trash person posted:

Also Veronica being all, "Pops maybe my dad isn't so bad."

like bro c'mon she factually knows he is a 100% murderer who set up the love of her life for murder let him fight in a prison fight club and was setting him up to die

but since he helped her cheat at fuckin cards she's all, "ok my dad's maybe ok pops????"

Just you wait, Hiram's gonna end up in hospital or some poo poo and Veronica's gonna be in floods of tears and swearing vengeance like she actually cares about the man or something.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

Still Fluxing posted:

Not even when Archie was ready to straight up murder a man with gardening shears? Because my vocal chords got a work out at that point.

That was pretty funny.

What I took from this episode is that
1. the dreaded fearful Goblin King is actually just a recruiter for Hiram Lodge Industries personnel department.
And
B. The whole casino night storyline made no sense. Veronica's deal with Elio was that he provides the games and high rollers in exchange for "25 per cent". How was that in any way good for Elio, he was already getting 100% of the take from the high rollers at his own place. (And why would they all rush over to a room that only serves mocktails LOL)
Then, Veronica made a bet with the deed to Pop's, and won. So she just gave Elio 25% of Pop's. (Although the bank that gave her a 2nd mortgage on the property might not be too happy about her using it for a casino bet).
But she had a crooked dealer so didn't even need to do any of that; she could have used the dealer to 'fleece' Elio long before it got to that point. The better move would have been to clean out Elio early, opening up the table for more high rollers.

Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 9, 2018

HitTheTargets
Mar 3, 2006

I came here to laugh at you.
I think the implication is she put the deed up against his 25%, even though nobody said as much? Like, they sure treat it like he walked away with nothing.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
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He got 25 percent of the House take. She made a side bet against him directly and won. The deed did not go to the house.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!
She also needed to intimidate him. Leaving him to a crooked dealer would do little other than raise his eyebrows and likely cause trouble later. Doing it herself makes it look like she knows his game better than he does (thx Hiram bby <3 ).

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

TheCenturion posted:

He got 25 percent of the House take. She made a side bet against him directly and won. The deed did not go to the house.
The casino scene made no sense. First Veronica has a conversation and Reggie says "Your friend Elio is on a hot streak. He hasn't lost a hand all night." and then, "He's got to be cheating". But she has her own card mechanic dealing. Elio says, "I never had such a run of luck".
So that doesn't make sense. A good mechanic would have the player lose but win enough that he kept playing and buying more chips.

But Veronica's plan is for the dealer to cheat so that Elio wins (her money) every hand, so she can then put up Pops as collateral on a bet...to win back her own money?! The big stack of chips Elio pushes in for the bet - that's casino money which he's won since "he hasn't lost a hand all night". If he hasn't lost a hand all night he's playing with the casino's money, not his own.


And was it a side bet? The dealer didn't have a hand, they didn't ante up, and the bet was between her (the house, the casino, the bank) and Elio.
Veronica: Deal me in. One hand of blackjack, just you and me. Winner takes all.
Elio: What am I playing for?
Veronica: This. The deed to Pops. And by extension, to La Bonne Nuit.
(she wins)
Elio: But that's impossible
Veronica: Why, Elio? The house always win.

Veronica says she's the house. And the deed went to Veronica (the house).

Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Dec 10, 2018

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice
Stop caring. This show operates 1000% on the “Whatever sounds cool and dramatic in the moment” principle. If you’re putting any thought into anything after the fact, you’re doing it wrong.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
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Yeah, she's just trying to sound all cool and dramatic. And the point here is that the kid was an idiot trying to be a criminal, and wasn't smart enough to realize that there was no way he'd have an unbroken winning streak at blackjack.

But at the end of the day, Blackjack doesn't have a rake; you put your money down, and if you win, you get your money back plus what the house puts up. If you lose, the house gets your money. Blackjack is one of the few games that isn't specifically rigged in the house's favor, actually. If she'd lost the hand, yes, the deed would have gone to 'the house,' and the kid would have gotten 25% of it's value (which doesn't automatically imply a 25% share of ownership or something) but she won, so the deed never left her possession.


It's over-the-top, convoluted, melodramatic, puts Veronica back (further) into her father's debt, illustrates that she's still just an idiot teenager, same as the rest, and no doubt means that at some point the family will seek revenge on her, and Archie will have to beat up another kid in a hospital bed.

jimmychoo
Sep 30, 2008

poste du monocylindre

Phylodox posted:

Stop caring. This show operates 1000% on the “Whatever sounds cool and dramatic in the moment” principle. If you’re putting any thought into anything after the fact, you’re doing it wrong.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

Phylodox posted:

Stop caring. This show operates 1000% on the “Whatever sounds cool and dramatic in the moment” principle. If you’re putting any thought into anything after the fact, you’re doing it wrong.

I know that but sometimes the writing is just weird and doesn't make sense. Another little example: before bashing Archie with a cast iron skillet the Lake girl says, "I made you some more eggs, hope you don't mind".

"I made you more eggs, hope you're hungry" or "I made you more eggs, hope you like them". But why would you say "hope you don't mind"?! They're not Archie's eggs. Is it southern slang or something? Does it sound cool and dramatic?
Like, it would have been better if she'd gone, "I made you some more eggs, hope you don't mind..."
(caves in his head with cast iron skillet)
"...that I had to do this."

Binary Logic fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Dec 10, 2018

Quote-Unquote
Oct 22, 2002



Binary Logic posted:

I know that but sometimes the writing is just weird and doesn't make sense. Another little example: before bashing Archie with a cast iron skillet the Lake girl says, "I made you some more eggs, hope you don't mind".

"I made you more eggs, hope you're hungry" or "I made you more eggs, hope you like them". But why would you say "hope you don't mind"?! They're not Archie's eggs. Is it southern slang or something? Does it sound cool and dramatic?
Like, it would have been better if she'd gone, "I made you some more eggs, hope you don't mind..."
(caves in his head with cast iron skillet)
"...that I had to do this."

I thought she meant because that was all she had made for him in a previous meal, so she was kind of apologising for the lack of variety.

It sounded daft but this is a TV show where all the young people from at least two generations are suddenly into pen and paper RPGs and there is a sudden wave of inexplicable murder/suicide pacts going on. Also a gangster owns a prison where he has illegal underground fightclub and owns several entire towns that are now almost entirely abandoned and covered with bizarre glyphs after everyone got addicted to a drug that comes in the form of pop rocks. Pop rocks that appear to be distributed by a nunnery. A nunnery that worships a monstrous deity from the RPG.

God I love trying to summarise the plot of Riverdale.

Quote-Unquote fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Dec 10, 2018

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe
Also the effect of Fizzle Rocks is entirely dependent on where the storyline has to go next. When Jughead was wandering through the town he met up with some girls playing G&G, and there's an open pack of the Fiz in plain view.



But they're calmly sitting there, have normal conversation, speak in complete sentences, and show no effects of any drug. Other people take a hit of Fizzle and pass out or have programmed hallucinations. These young ladies are composed, rational and seem fully sober.

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
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Either there's actual candy fizzlerocks, and then there's laced fizzlerocks, or those chicks are just hardcore, and know how to hold their goddamn fizzlerocks, not like some filthy casual who pops a single goddamn rock and just starts freaking the gently caress out all over the place, drat it, Mindy, loving chill or somebody's going to call the cops!

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Binary Logic posted:

Also the effect of Fizzle Rocks is entirely dependent on where the storyline has to go next. When Jughead was wandering through the town he met up with some girls playing G&G, and there's an open pack of the Fiz in plain view.



But they're calmly sitting there, have normal conversation, speak in complete sentences, and show no effects of any drug. Other people take a hit of Fizzle and pass out or have programmed hallucinations. These young ladies are composed, rational and seem fully sober.

Maybe they were eating non-drugged fizzle rock candy?

Or maybe these girls can just handle their hallucinogens better than the lightweights over in Riverdale.

Sgt. Politeness
Sep 29, 2003

I've seen shit you people wouldn't believe. Cop cars on fire off the shoulder of I-94. I watched search lights glitter in the dark near the Ambassador Bridge. All those moments will be lost in time, like piss in the drain. Time to retch.
It's this.

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Or maybe these girls can just handle their hallucinogens better than the lightweights over in Riverdale.

TheCenturion posted:

.... those chicks are just hardcore, and know how to hold their goddamn fizzlerocks, not like some filthy casual who pops a single goddamn rock and just starts freaking the gently caress out all over the place, drat it, Mindy, loving chill or somebody's going to call the cops!

The kids were made up to look like junkies so I assumed they had a tolerance or were coming down. Seems like it's supposed to be like a hallucinagenic meth, which is a scary thought.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

Fun Shoe

Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Maybe they were eating non-drugged fizzle rock candy?

Or maybe these girls can just handle their hallucinogens better than the lightweights over in Riverdale.
Oh great there's Fizzle Rocks and Fizzle Rocks Classic LOL.

Sgt. Politeness posted:

It's this.


The kids were made up to look like junkies so I assumed they had a tolerance or were coming down. Seems like it's supposed to be like a hallucinagenic meth, which is a scary thought.

Then they're the most well-mannered, well-spoken and polite junkies in the history of tv. I do like the show and my nitpicking or over-analyzing isn't really serious like say in the Walking Dead thread.
Maybe my real problem with this episode was, not enough Cheryl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYVXAL7cpk

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
I like how Archie's like "I'm from a small town called Riverdale" as if it hasn't been all over the news for the last year due to the rampant serial killer and the board game cult seemingly sweeping the rest of upstate New York.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Binary Logic posted:

Oh great there's Fizzle Rocks and Fizzle Rocks Classic LOL.


Then they're the most well-mannered, well-spoken and polite junkies in the history of tv. I do like the show and my nitpicking or over-analyzing isn't really serious like say in the Walking Dead thread.
Maybe my real problem with this episode was, not enough Cheryl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYYVXAL7cpk

More Cheryl is the way to improve an episode.

Does anyone else think she might be planning to usurp Jughead as head of the serpents?

Sgt. Politeness
Sep 29, 2003

I've seen shit you people wouldn't believe. Cop cars on fire off the shoulder of I-94. I watched search lights glitter in the dark near the Ambassador Bridge. All those moments will be lost in time, like piss in the drain. Time to retch.
Oddly enough, the thing Cheryl has proven most over 2 and a half seasons might be that she's just not as evil as she lets on.

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Shneak posted:

I like how Archie's like "I'm from a small town called Riverdale" as if it hasn't been all over the news for the last year due to the rampant serial killer and the board game cult seemingly sweeping the rest of upstate New York.

I mean, if these things are happening in one small town, national news is probably dominated by giant monster fights and Hannibal Lecter.

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Binary Logic posted:

Also the effect of Fizzle Rocks is entirely dependent on where the storyline has to go next. When Jughead was wandering through the town he met up with some girls playing G&G, and there's an open pack of the Fiz in plain view.



But they're calmly sitting there, have normal conversation, speak in complete sentences, and show no effects of any drug. Other people take a hit of Fizzle and pass out or have programmed hallucinations. These young ladies are composed, rational and seem fully sober.
Pretty sure they made an explicit reference to "fizzle rocks the candy?" "no check it these is drugs" in the 90s episode

trash person
Apr 5, 2006

Baby Executive is pleased with your performance!
It's likely blasphemy and maybe it's because I'm not this show's target demo but I'm super ok with less Cheryl.

I feel like half the time they're not sure what to do with her character other than just to be a wildcard in whatever episode she's in, disregarding what her character has been prior.

101
Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller

trash person posted:

It's likely blasphemy and maybe it's because I'm not this show's target demo but I'm super ok with less Cheryl.

I feel like half the time they're not sure what to do with her character other than just to be a wildcard in whatever episode she's in, disregarding what her character has been prior.

Nothing wrong with a wildcard.

Also in a show full of good looking people Madelaine Petsch is up there

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
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Can't post for 10 years!
Cheryl would absolutely cut the fuckin brakes.

Wungus
Mar 5, 2004

Rhyno posted:

Cheryl would absolutely cut the fuckin brakes.
But she'd have a secret motorbike on the roof of the van, which she'd climb out, get on, give Toni a hand (who was driving the whole time and knew about the brakes) and they'd ramp that poo poo straight into whatever the expensive and sapphic version of Bed, Bath, and Beyond is

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Whalley posted:

But she'd have a secret motorbike on the roof of the van, which she'd climb out, get on, give Toni a hand (who was driving the whole time and knew about the brakes) and they'd ramp that poo poo straight into whatever the expensive and sapphic version of Bed, Bath, and Beyond is

or she'd like, shoot the brake lines with an arrow.

101
Oct 15, 2012


Vault Dweller

Rhyno posted:

or she'd like, shoot the brake lines with an arrow.

She never misses

Sgt. Politeness
Sep 29, 2003

I've seen shit you people wouldn't believe. Cop cars on fire off the shoulder of I-94. I watched search lights glitter in the dark near the Ambassador Bridge. All those moments will be lost in time, like piss in the drain. Time to retch.
God drat it. I thought "Hiram is the Gargoyle King" was too obvious but here we are.

I will admit, Riverdale: No Man's Land was unexpected. How many episodes do we think it'll be before it goes full Mad Max? Like 2

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radlum
May 13, 2013
I always wanted to see an adaptation of No Man's Land; I had no idea Archie Comics of all things would be the one to give it to me.

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