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It's amazing how many other mothers will say something to my wife about breast feeding. Our daughter has a lip tie which has made it difficult to latch and painful for my wife when she does. As a result she's been pumping and we've been supplementing with formula. At 12 weeks, she pumped last night that produced about an ounce after 30 minutes of pumping. Several of her co-workers get on her about stopping because they had such an easy time, etc. So my wife feels bad that our daughter is going to grow up messed up because she didn't breastfeed. I keep reminding her that the science behind formula is really good and a ton of kids are raised on formula that are normal.
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Tamarillo posted:What's the deal with newborn fussiness in the evenings? My 3 week old is pretty much breastfed on demand, and during the day and generally in the middle of the night he feeds like a champ, gets burped and is generally pretty happy and sleeps well. Then 7pm rolls around and all of a sudden he's cluster feeding, but then he falls to pieces and rears back and howls mid-feed - then is frantic to latch back on only to arch his back and scream again. The witching hour as femcastra said. It's totally normal and common, just gotta roll with it. Cluster feeding is also pretty normal because his tummy is so tiny. As to popping off, for our son it was gas and his digestive system isn't in top form yet so gas is going to give him a harder time. Usually for ours though, when he was breastfeeding, he would relax and let the toots go like a ship leaving harbor, but even so it's probably gas coupled with the witching hour. calandryll posted:It's amazing how many other mothers will say something to my wife about breast feeding. Our daughter has a lip tie which has made it difficult to latch and painful for my wife when she does. As a result she's been pumping and we've been supplementing with formula. At 12 weeks, she pumped last night that produced about an ounce after 30 minutes of pumping. Several of her co-workers get on her about stopping because they had such an easy time, etc. So my wife feels bad that our daughter is going to grow up messed up because she didn't breastfeed. I keep reminding her that the science behind formula is really good and a ton of kids are raised on formula that are normal. As a dad, I've observed that moms can get really catty about motherhood and just think their way is the right way. Hell, my wife gets catty with ME about certain things when I dare to challenge her on some idea she has that may not be good or whatever. When people have an easy time at something they can't fathom that someone else is struggling mightily with that same thing. Your daughter is NOT going to grow up messed up for being on formula, or for being on a bottle instead of directly off the breast or whatever. You already know this but I feel like it needs to be reiterated because it so goddamn depressingly common to hear about moms making other moms feel bad. gently caress, I've heard other dads doing this poo poo too, but I've noticed it a lot less and I get more of, "Oh man, your son did this when he was 5mo? Mine too! Oh look we hold our kids in the exact same way to get them to sleep that's so cool! High five!" All this is to say, gently caress the mommy patrol and y'all don't need permission from other moms to do what needs to be done for your daughter or what you feel is best for her. It's also about what it best for Mom too, and if it is painful or otherwise bad for her to breastfeed then you know what? That's all that anyone needs to know and they don't even need to know that. ne: to clarify about my wife's ideas, sometimes she has these bright ambitious ideas late at night or gets very rigid about something that doesn't need rigidity, and so I will say so if I disagree with something...at my own peril. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes she's wrong. The world keeps on spinning.
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Dec 12, 2018 14:23
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I got crap from strangers about my babies not wearing socks (which they often took off and threw) or a hat (when it's in the 70s outside) or shoes (when they are running around a park) or letting them wander a few feet from me (while learning to walk, and yes I let them fall down a lot) or letting them climb on something like a rock and fall off. People are assholes. Especially about kids. I worried about what others thought for the first kid, then I learned nobody knows anything and now I do what feels best for us.
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Dec 12, 2018 19:36
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Tamarillo posted:What's the deal with newborn fussiness in the evenings? My 3 week old is pretty much breastfed on demand, and during the day and generally in the middle of the night he feeds like a champ, gets burped and is generally pretty happy and sleeps well. Then 7pm rolls around and all of a sudden he's cluster feeding, but then he falls to pieces and rears back and howls mid-feed - then is frantic to latch back on only to arch his back and scream again. Probably newborn fussiness, but our son had a lot of problems with acid reflux when he was a newborn and screamed while arching his back. Our pediatrician explained that newborns don't have well developed digestive systems. We had to switch to an expensive formula and give him acid reflux medicine but eventually he just grew out of it.
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Dec 12, 2018 21:42
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calandryll posted:It's amazing how many other mothers will say something to my wife about breast feeding. Our daughter has a lip tie which has made it difficult to latch and painful for my wife when she does. As a result she's been pumping and we've been supplementing with formula. At 12 weeks, she pumped last night that produced about an ounce after 30 minutes of pumping. Several of her co-workers get on her about stopping because they had such an easy time, etc. So my wife feels bad that our daughter is going to grow up messed up because she didn't breastfeed. I keep reminding her that the science behind formula is really good and a ton of kids are raised on formula that are normal. People love an excuse to dick wave and there's no bigger dick to be waved than a parenting dick. My oldest is 4 and I'd never in a million years be able to successfully guess who was and wasnt formula fed out of her friends. It literally doesn't matter at all once you're out of the baby stage.
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Dec 12, 2018 22:39
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Yeah we're not too worried about it. It's just the "formula shaming" that people will do. Like it's none of your drat business. We've been supplementing for a long time and our daughter is in the 75th percentile for weight and 90th for height so she's healthy.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:21
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calandryll posted:It's just the "formula shaming" that people will do. I believe that formula shaming, in part, came about from the Nestle Africa formula scandal. The clean-up from that resulted in an overcorrection in other regions worldwide. More informed people than I should discuss this sociological point. To the formula vs. breast milk, there can only be one debate: Our little one just turned 11 months and is healthy and happy on a mix of both. She's just as happy as a friend who's entirely formula fed. Our one is currently drinking some North American formula too and isn't growing MAGA hats or some poo poo. It's fine. Not worth worry.
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Dec 13, 2018 00:48
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US parents, are there a ton of formulas to choose from in your market? Over here (🇪🇺), the market is extremely heavily regulated with regard to composition. It's to the point where there are only really two brands in stores, Nestlé and Semper. Each has a number of varietes but mostly for, like 0-6 mo, 6-12 mo, etc.
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Dec 13, 2018 11:19
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In Canada we have at least 6-7, but they are all pretty much the same since there's a lot of regulation. 3-4 big brand names and quite a few "store brand" ones.
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Dec 13, 2018 12:17
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:US parents, are there a ton of formulas to choose from in your market? It's been a year or two but my local grocery store had maybe 3-5 different brands, each with a few varieties a piece, probably owned by the same conglomerate up the chain, and all full of corn syrup. We do have quite a few to choose from if you're willing to order online.
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Dec 13, 2018 13:22
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GladRagKraken posted:It's been a year or two but my local grocery store had maybe 3-5 different brands, each with a few varieties a piece, probably owned by the same conglomerate up the chain, and all full of corn syrup. We do have quite a few to choose from if you're willing to order online. Corn syrup? Both brands in my store are based on cow milk. Desalinated whey protein, lactose, and some vegetable oils, mostly. Interesting. I'm sure the difference is all based on differing nutritional needs of babies, and not on what our respective agricultural sectors need to offload...
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Dec 13, 2018 13:45
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Babies need carbs, fats, and proteins in their food. Corn syrup is one option for carbs, and it's easily digestible. Some formulas here have it and some have other carb sources.
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Dec 13, 2018 14:04
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:US parents, are there a ton of formulas to choose from in your market? Our market is also heavily regulated. There are about five major brands, the two largest being Enfamil and Similac. There are different varieties of each, focusing on things like “gentle to digest for delicate tummies” or “doesn’t contain x allergen”, and then a few small brands doing things like “organic/non-GMO” nuttery. We started with Enfamil gentlease from birth and ten months in we’re still using it. He’s bright, charming, healthy as a horse and a much improved sleeper. 10 months old, 29.2 pounds, 34 inches tall, wearing size 2T in clothing and a toddler 6 shoe (he’s going for the height record in a family of tall people). I never considered breastfeeding and I have no regrets.
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Dec 13, 2018 15:11
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With all the problems our son has had with sleep since around 3.5mo to now at 7mo, he's now refusing my wife's breast more and more and demanding a bottle. She's producing less milk from pumping as a result. So, we've switched almost entirely to formula and he seems just as happy with it, if not happier. He's been sleeping marginally better (going from like 5-6 wakeups a night to 2-3, sometimes just 1) and is easier to get back down after a bottle. Last month we were just dipping our toes in the water with formula and when he was on 5oz of breastmilk it was 4oz of formula since it's heartier in his tummy. Now, he will be hard-pressed to go back down without 6oz of formula at a time and no burping in between. But once he's done, he's basically so sleepy he's like a rag doll and I can sometimes just lay him in his crib without him waking up, whereas before he'd be dead asleep in my arms and wake up immediately upon sensing he was being put down. He still doesn't sleep great at my dad's house. My dad said he wore them out and that was just one night, and since that night he's stopped making comments about letting Henry cry it out or whatever, especially when I told him that wasn't just him, it's every night for us usually. All of this is to say, formula is good. Breastmilk is awesome, but formula is great and lots of parents will find themselves having to switch over to it. My wife is depressed about the nursing stage nearing its end when she wanted to nurse him longer, but honestly I'm super happy with formula helping him sleep a bit better even if that does mean I'm getting up more than my wife (who wakes up at 5am for work) to feed him. She had to wake up with him every time before so it's even-stevens I guess. My son had a 6oz bottle of formula at 6am this morning, and has been playing on his mat since 7am like a wild man, rolling, scooting and talking without acting hungry or tired yet, so that's a change too.
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Dec 13, 2018 15:40
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Is there like a separate teen parenting thread? Cause I know there are goons old enough, and fml dealing with paranoia about my 13 year old daughter and social media can be crippling.
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Dec 13, 2018 18:49
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Formula shaming is hilarious. For context, we emigrated from bumfuck nowhere, Siberia. My mom lost her supply with both of us, but I was old enough to benefit from the Soviet "milk kitchens" that were available to mothers - free milk, yogurt, what have you, for babies. My brother, however, was too young, and was raised on what what available: a garbage powder that can only loosely be called formula, and goat's milk when we were at my grandma's. And even then, he's the smartest, most successful person in a family of accomplished doctors and PhDs. He's a goony goon, but that's not the formula's fault. I'm happy that I'm still breastfeeding my large 5 mo son, but I have no illusions he'd be just loving fine if that were to change. The only thing keeping me going is my mom telling me I'd for sure stop by 3 months, and since so many of my life choices have been fueled by spite and contrariness, here we are.
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Dec 13, 2018 20:08
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:Over here (🇪🇺), ... there are only really two brands in stores, Nestlé and Semper. Which part of the EU? There's Hipp and Holeé, and some store brands in the UK? Wrt the local market in BC there's Nestle, Earth's Best, Simolac? and a few own brands I can think of.
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Dec 13, 2018 20:53
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Is there a good/elegant way to transfer pumped milk from bags into the bottles? I usually just kind of crimp it and jam it in (heh) but there has to be a better way, right?
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Dec 13, 2018 22:50
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bollig posted:Is there a good/elegant way to transfer pumped milk from bags into the bottles? I usually just kind of crimp it and jam it in (heh) but there has to be a better way, right? Done it for my wife numerous times and I don't know of any. Are you talking about pump bottles, or nipple bottles? Some of the Medela bags have little openings up top that kind of act as spouts (I think that their main purpose other than hanging them on the pump part and pumping directly into the bag), but overall you gotta crimp it as you said and just use it as a makeshift spout. You could use a funnel I guess, but better be sure that thing is sterile.
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Dec 13, 2018 23:01
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bollig posted:Is there a good/elegant way to transfer pumped milk from bags into the bottles? I usually just kind of crimp it and jam it in (heh) but there has to be a better way, right? Take the flange off the connector part for pumping and use it like a funnel.
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Dec 13, 2018 23:25
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Heners_UK posted:Some poo poo you skim read at best but I want to follow up on I'm in Maui at the moment and took a photo of the formula section of the supermarket. 
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Dec 14, 2018 06:08
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Ok. Potentially volatile question. First, if I'm at all bumrushed with "stop, you're being an idiot and please listen to doctors"... That's what we'll do! Disclaimer aside: anyone put blankets and/or stuffed animals in the crib before 1? Our baby just turned 7 months and we were curious how she might do with a light and small blanket. She loved it. Fell asleep super quick and snuggled underneath it. Then, we put her favorite monkey in there with her... Loved that even more and when she woke up she sat up and played with the monkey for like twenty minutes before she started crying for us. Despite her age, physically, she's way far ahead of things. She's been crawling for two months, cruises easily, can climb the stairs, all that good stuff. Basically, I find it annoying that, instead of physical benchmarks, there only seems to be the general guideline of '1 year' before any of this good stuff is introduced. Are we being foolish and taking a risk here? Kiddo is so strong and doesn't seem like she's likely to get tangled up in anything.
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Dec 14, 2018 08:31
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I went to sleep school with my baby when she was 4 months old and we had introduced a cuddle toy a month before to make the transition from holding our fingers to holding the toy when settling to sleep. We had to go cold turkey while at sleep school as they followed Australian SIDS guidelines that said no comforter until 7 months. Reintroduced it pretty much straight after we came home (still 4 months old). We now have a comforter that can attach dummies (pacifiers) so she can find it in the night and link sleep cycles if she wakes unsettled. We gave her that at 7 months. I probably do a lot of things that are not age appropriate, with heavy parental guidance and supervision. I’m very strict on the no added sugar or salt in the diet and no honey before 1, but otherwise meh. She hit milestones early too, so I just try and do things she’s developmentally ready for rather than getting fixated on the age.
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Dec 14, 2018 09:29
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life is killing me posted:Done it for my wife numerous times and I don't know of any. Are you talking about pump bottles, or nipple bottles? Some of the Medela bags have little openings up top that kind of act as spouts (I think that their main purpose other than hanging them on the pump part and pumping directly into the bag), but overall you gotta crimp it as you said and just use it as a makeshift spout. You could use a funnel I guess, but better be sure that thing is sterile. skeetied posted:Take the flange off the connector part for pumping and use it like a funnel. Thanks.
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Dec 14, 2018 10:36
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We've had all kinds of dangerous poo poo in the crib with all our kids (well, blankets and the occasional stuffed toy at least). Fwiw, the swedish SIDS guidelines are a lot less strict. Most babies I know here sleep with at least a flat pillow and thin blanket pretty much from birth. We're just told to keep their face clear and keep them on their back. I guess in some places "keeping the face clear" means no loose objects in the crib... If your baby is happy with her monkey and blanket, I'd say let her have her monkey and blanket.
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Dec 14, 2018 14:19
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Awesome. I should have given you all more credit. I was definitely a little bit nervous that I was going to be yelled at and called a horrible father. But clearly, that's just my own anxiety and projections. Baby is happy, baby is safe, everything's going to be a okay. Thanks goons.
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Dec 14, 2018 14:36
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Public Serpent posted:We've had all kinds of dangerous poo poo in the crib with all our kids (well, blankets and the occasional stuffed toy at least). Fwiw, the swedish SIDS guidelines are a lot less strict. Most babies I know here sleep with at least a flat pillow and thin blanket pretty much from birth. We're just told to keep their face clear and keep them on their back. I guess in some places "keeping the face clear" means no loose objects in the crib... If your baby is happy with her monkey and blanket, I'd say let her have her monkey and blanket. I'm in Sweden, too, and we were told in no uncertain terms by our pediatric nurse that pillows are right out for newborns. OTOH, I never heard of babies older than three months being at risk from SIDS. For a 7 month old, I'd say knock yourself out! (I am still not a doctor.)
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Dec 14, 2018 16:36
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I'm in Sweden, too, and we were told in no uncertain terms by our pediatric nurse that pillows are right out for newborns. Really! Where in Sweden, if you don't mind sharing? I'm in Stockholm and we were recommended a pillow by both a doctor and BVC to prevent a malformed skull. I wondered about it since I'd also read so many English sources saying absolutely no pillows. (Of course, they did specify that it can't be a normal, fluffy pillow but one of those flat baby ones)
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Dec 14, 2018 17:38
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Public Serpent posted:Really! Where in Sweden, if you don't mind sharing? I'm in Stockholm and we were recommended a pillow by both a doctor and BVC to prevent a malformed skull. I wondered about it since I'd also read so many English sources saying absolutely no pillows. (Of course, they did specify that it can't be a normal, fluffy pillow but one of those flat baby ones) Interesting! We're in the VG-regionen, but I'd have expected the recommendations to be nationally coordinated. The advice about not using pillow was at BB. The BVC nurse didn't mention it until I asked at the home visit, and she said basically "sure, that's fine, don't use a pillow" which I guess is as good advice as any. I did a fair bit of reading (who doesn't love to second-guess healthcare professionals), and the national medical advisory board (Socialstyrelsen) say the evidence are inconclusive, both for using a pillow to prevent a malformed scull, and against a pillow to prevent SIDS. Hence pillows are not mentioned at all in their official advice (English version linked). This is a literature review geared towards healthcare professionals. They don't do anything half-assed, do they. Evidence for and against pillows are at p 11ff: https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/Lists/Artikelkatalog/Attachments/19370/2014-3-3.pdf Nonetheless, one of the preeminent experts working at said Board says in this interview that pillows are a risk factor:  https://www.babybaby.se/2015/04/svar-fran-socialstyrelsen/ (Highly recommend that blog BTW, she has some rock solid advice about breastfeeding. NWS for boobs being fed to babies.)I like to err at the side of caution. Baby sleeps on her back, has no pillow, spends some time on her belly when awake. So far so good (three weeks now) and fingers crossed. If her head ends up flattened, who gives a poo poo... 
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Dec 14, 2018 21:26
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RFX posted:Someone please convince me formula is fine for my baby. As I mentioned in my last post, my wife is having trouble pumping and is about to go to work. The plan is to breastfeed the baby when my wife is home and have grandma (who is watching the baby) give her formula on days my wife is in the office (about 3 days a week). When I do some nighttime feedings, I am giving her formula as well but I actually feel very guilty about it because I think it's not the best for her. It's fine, my wife tried to pump at work so we could milk feed longer, but it was such a poo poo show we started using formula to supplement and it worked fine.
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Dec 14, 2018 21:45
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Hippie Hedgehog posted:I like to err at the side of caution. Baby sleeps on her back, has no pillow, spends some time on her belly when awake. So far so good (three weeks now) and fingers crossed. If her head ends up flattened, who gives a poo poo... Yeah, we skipped the pillow too, I couldn't imagine that little bullshit slip of batting making any kind of difference anyway. Our oldest is 3,5 years and we don't seem to have done any irreparable damage to her noggin. With the new babies I asked the BVC nurse why a flat head would be a problem and she didn't know lol
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Dec 14, 2018 22:09
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I never put a blanket in the crib because of the SIDS and now my 5-year-old hates blankets. Always kicks them off.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:12
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Comfortador posted:Is there like a separate teen parenting thread? Cause I know there are goons old enough, and fml dealing with paranoia about my 13 year old daughter and social media can be crippling.
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Dec 14, 2018 22:31
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I'm not even sure when TO add a blanket in the crib. 1 year? I feel like SIDS risk is from suffocation when baby doesn't know what the hell it is and pulls it over his or her head unwittingly, then suffocates as he or she lay there crying needing help because they have blanket on their face and can't breathe. At what point does a baby know not to pull a blanket over their head or at least enough to move it out of the way?
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Dec 14, 2018 22:33
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Keep the items small and do not create a tangle risk. Wait till your kiddo appears capable of manipulating objects. Don't give them an adult blanket. Or a giant toy that can fall on them. On pillow talk, we gave kiddo one about a year, maybe a year and a half. Doesn't really sleep on it, not even now that he has moved to a bed. They still help for story time and whatnot, so no harm in having them in there.
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Dec 14, 2018 23:57
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FunOne posted:Keep the items small and do not create a tangle risk. Wait till your kiddo appears capable of manipulating objects. Don't give them an adult blanket. Or a giant toy that can fall on them. Yeah, ours got a pillow at one and a half or two. Mostly because she started asking for one. At 3.5 now and the pillow is pretty hit and miss. Maybe 40% of the time she's still on it in the morning.
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Dec 15, 2018 00:00
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I took our 3-year-old to urgent care Sunday morning for what looked to me like pink eye. The PA there agreed, prescribed an antibiotic eye ointment, and away we went. Today was the last day of the ointment, and her eyes are still a little goopy. Is it worth going back to urgent care or should we just use the ointment a little longer?
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Dec 15, 2018 00:40
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life is killing me posted:I'm not even sure when TO add a blanket in the crib. 1 year? I feel like SIDS risk is from suffocation when baby doesn't know what the hell it is and pulls it over his or her head unwittingly, then suffocates as he or she lay there crying needing help because they have blanket on their face and can't breathe. At what point does a baby know not to pull a blanket over their head or at least enough to move it out of the way? Officially I think the word is, babies over one year's age are no longer at risk of crib death. So I suppose some time before or around 12 months? I would have guessed a lot sooner though, myself.
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Dec 15, 2018 12:02
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According to this: http://www.babywill.org/sids-information/what-is-sids/sids-statistics SIDS risk goes down significantly by 6-7 months of age. I might feel comfortable adding a blanket around 8-9 months because my guy is already pretty good about pushing things away from his face he doesn't like. But I guess there's still the risk of getting tangled up if they roll a lot? Everything is terrifying, sleep sacks until he's 20!
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We didn't use blankets until closer to 2.5 because when we tried earlier he'd kick them off in his sleep and then wake up overnight because he was cold. So we bought wearable blankets until 2.5ish.
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