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Yep. But the reason I mention it as why I think NuWolf decided to slap that disclaimer on is that the BNS Werewolf they were involved with took the 'actually, the garou nation were also victims of the war of tears' stance.
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I mean, when the black spirals theatrically swoop in holding the skull of the raid leader's sister in their hands and go "BWAHAHA TWAS I ALL ALONG YOU FOOLS!" It's understandable to see where they may have gotten that reading.
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Kurieg posted:I mean, when the black spirals theatrically swoop in holding the skull of the raid leader's sister in their hands and go "BWAHAHA TWAS I ALL ALONG YOU FOOLS!" It's understandable to see where they may have gotten that reading. Sure, but it's also a reading that shunts the actual responsibility for a genocide away from its active perpetrators.
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Mors Rattus posted:Frankly? I’m pretty sure they called it Head Storyteller. Same job description and responsibilities as far as I can tell. I think this is part of the process of gently replacing/sidelining him, in fact, since it seems like more or less all of his duties are going to be either subsumed by or directly supervised by the brand manager.
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Mors Rattus posted:Frankly? I’m pretty sure they called it Head Storyteller. Same job description and responsibilities as far as I can tell. Oh I'm sure that's what Paradox thought he was supposed to be doing. But brand managers at least theoretically are supposed to be paying attention to current trends in the market, making sure their brand still resonates, and looking for new avenues to grow it. Whereas Sweddrac basically took his larping experience and decided that if he did that but canon, everything would be like it was in the 90s for the WoD. Which, presuming that the market will morph to whatever you want it to be is certainly something I have seen brand managers think, but usually ones who are at big behemoth companies like microsoft or intel, not brands 20 years removed from their heyday.
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Kurieg posted:The Red Talons were communicating entirely by modulating the word "Rage" in various tones. relatable
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Dec 13, 2018 15:37
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Oh, like that Chinese poem, the Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den.
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Desiden posted:Oh I'm sure that's what Paradox thought he was supposed to be doing. But brand managers at least theoretically are supposed to be paying attention to current trends in the market, making sure their brand still resonates, and looking for new avenues to grow it. Whereas Sweddrac basically took his larping experience and decided that if he did that but canon, everything would be like it was in the 90s for the WoD. Which, presuming that the market will morph to whatever you want it to be is certainly something I have seen brand managers think, but usually ones who are at big behemoth companies like microsoft or intel, not brands 20 years removed from their heyday. His time trying to play that role can be described as "baffling" at best and "negligently self-indulgent" at worst.
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Desiden posted:not brands 20 years removed from their heyday. clearly this was only the result of failing to center larpers
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Stay away from the data centers. WoD data is the path to madness.
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Ironslave posted:His time trying to play that role can be described as "baffling" at best and "negligently self-indulgent" at worst. The White Wolf brand was a vanity purchase. The particularly baffling thing is that he was able to convince a company that he did not work for at the time to make said purchase for him.
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I mean, the White Wolf IP has value, and arguably to maintain that value you need to keep up good relations with the existing fanbase by doing something not unlike what they were doing. The problem was that they (well, he) were determined to enforce their own vision instead of just continuing to do what the original creators were doing, and that vision horrified about six fans for every one who was interested. If they had used all the money they'd blown on V5 to instead hire full-time developers for every cWoD product line, they'd be in a very different position.
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Kurieg posted:The White Wolf brand was a vanity purchase. The particularly baffling thing is that he was able to convince a company that he did not work for at the time to make said purchase for him. I thought he was part of Paradox when WW was purchased? Rand Brittain posted:I mean, the White Wolf IP has value, and arguably to maintain that value you need to keep up good relations with the existing fanbase by doing something not unlike what they were doing. Extremely this. As someone who has known about the WoD games since the late 90's and didnt get into them until recently (mostly this thread honestly) V5 sounded like an awesome idea when it was first announced and while I wasn't expecting it to do D&D 5e numbers, I figured it might bring a bit of buzz back to WW. They succeeded in causing a buzz, just for all the wrong reasons. Maybe the RPG gods will smile on us and OP will be handed the reigns of WOD 3.0 and everything will be great. Probably not but at least Deviant is coming and CoD stuff seems to be doing fine so at least there's that (until it's taken from us because we can't have nice things)
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, the White Wolf IP has value, and arguably to maintain that value you need to keep up good relations with the existing fanbase by doing something not unlike what they were doing. I've said it a couple of times, but this whole enterprise just feels like Ericsson going "I WILL make my home game canon!"
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For the life of me I still cannot understand why they didn't try to onboard Obsidian for a WoD PC game.
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Ironslave posted:For the life of me I still cannot understand why they didn't try to onboard Obsidian for a WoD PC game.
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Mors Rattus posted:Oh, like that Chinese poem, the Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den. RAGE is a tonal language! Ironslave posted:For the life of me I still cannot understand why they didn't try to onboard Obsidian for a WoD PC game. Same! My best guess is they approached them and Obsidian were like "uh we're about to announce an attempted Fallout killer and also we're being bought by Microsoft atm but we're very touched you asked." Kurieg posted:The White Wolf brand was a vanity purchase. The particularly baffling thing is that he was able to convince a company that he did not work for at the time to make said purchase for him. This is legit why I call the whole thing affinity fraud - the only thing that makes any goddamn sense to me is the "you're Swedish, I'm Swedish, eh, eh?" line of reasoning.
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joylessdivision posted:I thought he was part of Paradox when WW was purchased? It's my understanding that his friend was working for Paradox and convinced them to buy the brand and bring Martin on. He might have been brought on briefly before they bought the brand.
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Kurieg posted:It's my understanding that his friend was working for Paradox and convinced them to buy the brand and bring Martin on. He might have been brought on briefly before they bought the brand. Digital Osmosis posted:This is legit why I call the whole thing affinity fraud - the only thing that makes any goddamn sense to me is the "you're Swedish, I'm Swedish, eh, eh?" line of reasoning. That makes much more sense. It's hard to remember all the details of this absurdity because it seems like every time you think it's reached peaked stupid, NuWW says "HOLD MY BEER" and proceeds to gently caress themselves further. Dawgstar posted:I've said it a couple of times, but this whole enterprise just feels like Ericsson going "I WILL make my home game canon!" I'm 100% behind this theory because it's the only logical explanation for all this dumb poo poo.
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According to Martin's Linkedin, he started at Paradox in April of 2015, the Aquisition was announced in October. But "White Wolf" at the start was just Him and His Friend Tobias for the longest time. Like I understand that he worked at CCP for a time on the MMO, but I use Windows. that doesn't mean that you can or should make me CEO of Microsoft. And Martin seemed to go out of his way to antagonize everyone who didn't agree with his new edgelordy vision. To the point that their community manager physically removed the microphone from his hand more than once at the grand masquerade just so he would stop answering questions.
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Tollymain posted:clearly this was only the result of failing to center larpers Weirdly, of all the idiot moves nuWW has made so far, that was the one concept that I could actually see as semi-plausible. It'd be a gamble, but at least there would be some data to back it up. The euro-larp scene apparently is more elaborate and has some money behind it, and has been pretty into the oWoD. Coming in and arguing that re-focusing the brand to catering to that would at least be recognizing a market and trying to focus on it. But instead most of their decisions were made out of some made up belief that WW and OPP had failed the oWoD, and ignoring actual TT industry trends. I'd love to know what Martinsson and pals promised Paradox the return would be on buying the IP. Given how many of their ideas were wishful thinking, I could see them promising some absurd market share and revenue in the tens of millions that was never going to happen.
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Again, it doesn't seem wierd at all in a european context. It's very likely that at least some of the paradox people are mostly familiar with roleplaying as a whole as, you know, larping. Sure, if you think larping is some wierd niche thing, then WW's actions seem completely unreasonable, but that's not how it is in europe. in denmark, nearly as many kids larp as play loving football; there are huuge loving larping events every year, and relatively recently, a new industry of blockbuster larps kicked off. Also, Martin has done transmedia stuff before, notably The Truth About Marika, a transmedia ARG/Television series thing which, in adition to its transmedia stuff, ran on swedish national televison. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Truth_About_Marika) All in all, it's really just in hindsight that we can see how it all went hosed up.
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That does beg the question that how interested the wider European LARP market - ostensibly the thing Martin has his finger closest to the pulse of - was in nuWW.
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Wraith and Changeling the Dreaming style guides have been added to Storytellers Vault, so soon you'll be able to publish, for money, your Sonic OC kith! Also, after contacting their customer support about missing fonts in their templates, I was told that the files had been updated. And they have not. Nevertheless, people have been publishing new products that utilize the indicated fonts. They're probably getting them from various (illegal) font sites, and one in particular from the font packs on Ian Watson's personal website. A+
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Which one of you is this https://twitter.com/emilyyoshida/status/1073322360835579907
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Does Speed Cuff from Police Tactics actually do anything? It says 'Against an Immobilized opponent...' but when you look at the rules for grappling, the Restrain action that you use to Immobilize someone ALREADY includes ziptie or cuffing them. I'd assume it's a mistake and the intent of the merit is that you can make the Restrain action reflexively once you have used an action to Hold the enemy. Actually, now that I'm looking at it, Handcuffs even have their OWN set of rules for how to restrain someone with them, which is that applying handcuffs or zipties is its own action in a grapple. Can someone sort this out for me?
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:Which one of you is this Emily Yoshida rules and her new podcast Night Call is very WoD-adjacent.
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Had this wander across my Twitter feed and I thought I'd share it: https://twitter.com/yumabooma/status/1073364233163685888
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taichara posted:Had this wander across my Twitter feed and I thought I'd share it: Hahahahahahaha OMG. That's.....wow. Well played.
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Somewhere, right now, a Swede is being interrogated by his corporate overlords on how despite managing a brand for two years, he allowed a trademark in active use by that brand and which had never been out of use since the 1990s to be lost.
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Doesn't this also gently caress over Requiem?
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Kurieg posted:Doesn't this also gently caress over Requiem? Little bit, especially if he’s feeling vindictive, which...well, why wouldn’t he?
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As far as I am aware (and I talked to a lawyer I'm related to) he's unlikely to be able to wield this trademark against written RPG text, unless he can show there's any consumer confusion between his trademarked Gangrel persona and the Gangrel vampires that appear in the World of Darkness books. In which case it would be unlikely to matter at all, except inasmuch as the nuWW team can feel like immense, staggering idiots for failing to lock down their trademark.
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I mean, this is an incredible resume for Martin now. * Caused an international incident * Lost a core brand identity trademark * Had to apologize for accidentally coding nazi stuff into his game * Alienated large swathes of the fanbase All in the space of two years!
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Joe Slowboat posted:As far as I am aware (and I talked to a lawyer I'm related to) he's unlikely to be able to wield this trademark against written RPG text, unless he can show there's any consumer confusion between his trademarked Gangrel persona and the Gangrel vampires that appear in the World of Darkness books. I mean I think the copyright holder, the wrestler whose stage persona is a vampire named Gangrel, could absolutely make the case that the vampire group called "Gangrel" infringes on his intellectual property, the identity of a vampire called "Gangrel". Only because US copyright law is so profoundly loving stupid though, which is why you really don't want to lose your hold on it if it's at all possible. Which holy poo poo it should have been trivially easy not to lose this case, but here we are.
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It's only a trademark, though, not copyright - so I'm not sure he can actually sue them on that? Maybe Clanbook: Gangrel.
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No, see, he has the trademark on his identity, which is a vampire wrestler called Gangrel, and he has the copyright on the name "Gangrel", so if they make a book that includes the name "Gangrel", which he holds the copyright, to refer to vampires, which his character Gangrel is, he could argue that it is using his copyright to violate his trademark identity, which is again a vampire named Gangrel. Could he *win* that argument? gently caress if I know, but you should never let yourself get in that position in the first place.
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I imagine the guy at CCP going "Oh and by the way you need to continually fight off copyright claims by this American wrestler dude. No Martin stop walking away, this is serious. Well gently caress it not my problem." But this is a seriously bad look for someone who is ostensibly the biggest White Wolf Superfan. Or whatever he's calling himself now that he's been demoted.
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