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Spergatory posted:For all we know, the first challenge in the finale will be an omelet making contest judged by Probst. The first time in history I can confidently say I would do really well in a challenge and not be armchair survivoring.
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IcePhoenix posted:The first time in history I can confidently say I would do really well in a challenge and not be armchair survivoring. The amount of Survivor-related "you have to break a few eggs" comments Jeff would make during this competition is already annoying me.
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You know, as much as I'm not looking forward to an all Goliath endgame, I cannot wait for Angelina's final tribal council. The worst possible ending for this season is not Kara winning; it's Angelina somehow missing the finals and denying us the glorious mess that would ensue. Do you think she'll bring up her Noble Rice Sacrifice again? I hope so, I really do. 
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Poque posted:smh at all this brad culpepper amnesia Also I don't care so much about the theme and life stories but it feels fair to presume that if you're a "goliath" you're probably doing okay financially. Also Nick is a freaking lawyer. In all honesty though, other than the virgin babby early seasons I don't think wealth has ever really come up as a voting criterion at end game.
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Nick is a public defender in rural Kentucky so I don't think he's exactly rolling in it.
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Nick's a public defender whose mother died from opioid addiction and who was just talking about how his dad gave blood to buy the family milk, so he's got a pretty good story as far as that stuff goes. efb etc
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Watched this episode and me this week: First 15 minutes: "Nick and Davie are killing it, they are on another level doing stuff this season" Last 45 minutes:  edit: I would bet Nick makes around 40k a year, he was just admitted to the Kentucky bar in April 2016. From his story and personality though, he seems like he could find better paying work if he wanted to, but believes in the cause. nerox fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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bad take: mike shouldn't get to win, because he's rich good take: mike shouldn't get to win, because he's awful at Survivor edit: extra good take (and my actual feelings): mike should have factored potential bias in from day 1 and lied about whether he was rich or not. "weren't you in that movie with jack black?" "uh, no?" "oh, okay. what do you do?" "i'm a tutor" "neat, let's build a shelter" Spokes fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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Dec 14, 2018 00:46
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Fair but also aren't they all a little awful at Survivor?
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STAC Goat posted:Fair but also aren't they all a little awful at Survivor? Thanks to last night's episode i can confidently say yes.
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Spokes posted:bad take: mike shouldn't get to win, because he's rich There is a real sense in which if he wins it means he wasn't awful at survivor, but rather that survivor maybe isn't what you (we) want it to be
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Spergatory posted:here's something everyone can enjoy and celebrate; Christian's awesome Ponderosa. I just watched this and oh my god 
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Christian's RHAP exit interview is him just nonstop talking so much I'm surprised he didn't pass out. Of note? - Nick's silly fake idol find successfully tricked Christian into not searching for the idol. - Christian tells an amazing anecdote about how Davie first tipped him off. Christian was sitting alone on the beach at night when he started to feel a spray of sand on him, then more, and then he started to get clobbered with sand. He looked over and found Davie hiding in a spyshack. Davie warned him "don't trust anyone, we'll talk tomorrow" and then "disappeared into the night." "Davie's a gem." - Mike, Angelina, and Nick ALL tipped Christian off as well. I love how bad this cast is at Survivor. The whole dramatic "reading people" idol thing he did was all a show to try and keep them all thinking they were the one person he was trusting. - Christian debated a "radical honesty" strategy of going to Gabby and saying "I know you're going after me, I'm using my idol to stay, but all these people are trying to undermine you." But he figured he could never really trust Gabby because her reasoning to want him out made sense. But he wrestled with the "radical honesty" strategy all game of just laying cards on the table with people targeting him. - Christian stands by going after Carl because he was scared if the Davids got too comfortable they'd turn on him. So he figured he needed to keep the sides even so everyone stayed focused on the bigger threat instead of the "abstract threat" of him. - Christian thinks the Davids including himself screwed up Strike Force by pushing too hard to keep Elizabeth and spooked Mike. That was a fun as hell interview. I can't wait to see Christian's second go. I'm gonna go watch the Ponderosa now.
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Spergatory posted:Doesn't matter. He is a Known Hollywood Celebrity, even if he isn't that big, so a jury with this makeup is not going to give him the million unless he's sitting next to two absolute mega goats. I think a millionaire can win Survivor, but only if nobody knows they're a millionaire. I don't think this would really apply for this season. As the jury is made up of Goliaths and most certainly most of them have money themselves and would be much less likely to really care about who actually needs the money when picking a winner. Even Christian and Gabby likely make decent money to not really hold it against someone when voting for a winner. Also, the 6 that are left, there's not anyone there that is likely to be struggling with money from their casting professions, maybe nick being a Public Defender I guess.
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Spokes posted:bad take: mike shouldn't get to win, because he's rich Natalia instantly recognised him from being on The Amazing Race.
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STAC Goat posted:Christian's RHAP exit interview is him just nonstop talking so much I'm surprised he didn't pass out. Of note? Thanks for the summary!
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IcePhoenix posted:I just watched this and oh my god indeed.I really want to read Gabby's notes.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I don't think this would really apply for this season. As the jury is made up of Goliaths and most certainly most of them have money themselves and would be much less likely to really care about who actually needs the money when picking a winner. I still think there is a level of separation between "making decent money" and "being rich" and I think for most people, celebrities fall automatically into the second category. There is a fundamentally different way that celebrities are regarded in most people's minds, even if that separation isn't always warranted. Again, this is not about how much money anyone actually makes, this is about the narratives the jurors are likely to create and maintain amongst themselves, the way they talk about people when those people aren't there to defend themselves.
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I think while its entirely possible that the jury could regard Mike as undeserving because of his celebrity we've gotten absolutely no mention of such things or indication from this cast that they'd feel that way. So while its fair game to throw it into the mix as a possible element in play anything more to that is probably just going to speak to our own person biases on the matter.
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IcePhoenix posted:I see people say this a lot but I can't think of a situation where it ever actually happened brian heidik from thailand? maybe not an actual millionaire but his castmates thought he was
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For a super long time it was a truism amongst Big Brother fans that "A woman can't beat a man in the finals" because like the three times there had been that scenario the man had won (even though in most of those cases most agreed the man deserved to beat the woman). And then like 2 women beat 2 men in the last three seasons and threw the whole silly theory for a loop because it was always just an assumption drawn out of a handful of results. I imagine there's less cases of this "jury won't reward a rich person" theory. It seems plausible as a thing that could happen but it doesn't seem like it should be the truism its treated as.
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Christian's interviews just make me sadder he won't get to be in the final grilling. Christian shaving his beard off at Ponderosa is way worse, though.
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STAC Goat posted:For a super long time it was a truism amongst Big Brother fans that "A woman can't beat a man in the finals" because like the three times there had been that scenario the man had won (even though in most of those cases most agreed the man deserved to beat the woman). And then like 2 women beat 2 men in the last three seasons and threw the whole silly theory for a loop because it was always just an assumption drawn out of a handful of results. Yeah, agreed. I think the bigger truism is that 'people will vote for whom they like and respect'. Mike just needs to go up against two people who are disliked more than he is (although to be fair I am not sure there are two of those people left in the game), and his wealth will be overlooked.
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Fast Luck posted:hahaha of course Angelina pulls the rice card. She rules SLICK GOKU BABY posted:Survivor- David vs Goliath: Playing the Rice Card. Done.
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sad to see christian go like that, but i knew they'd never let him get to the end. i'm really curious what the other survivors even think about mike. they seem to like him, but he's never once been targeted whatsoever. i do think that if davie or nick is in the finals one of them wins, which is why i have a bad feeling that it won't happen. honestly? if it's mike, kara, and alison in the finals i'd probably rather just mike win. and this isn't some 'i hope a woman doesn't win' thing, i just would be really annoyed at seeing alison win just because this idea that she was a threat somehow infected everyone. its genesis seems to have come from people thinking she's a physical threat, but hasn't really been much moreso than anyone else. i don't know what kara has done, if anything. at least mike can say he rallied the votes toward christian, getting out perhaps the biggest threat in the game (i don't know if mike is actually to credit for this, but i could see the argument being made). it's a shame davie and nick kind of screwed up because i would have felt both of them had a pretty solid game going. but mistakes happen, i guess. they're still the most deserving people there.
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Mike is Jeff's friend and I don't think that had zero influence on how he was treated by production on the island or depicted by editors.
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Adus posted:i just would be really annoyed at seeing alison win just because this idea that she was a threat somehow infected everyone.
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Zesty posted:Mike is Jeff's friend and I don't think that had zero influence on how he was treated by production on the island or depicted by editors. Care to elaborate? Maybe you're not, but it sounds like you're implying that he's actually been playing a deceivingly poor game and Jeff doesn't want to give him an unbecoming edit, both of which I'm having a hard time believing.
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Dec 14, 2018 09:34
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Just imagine if Tyler Perry was playing.
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I have a feeling we're going to be hearing about the rice at least one more time.
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Literally everyone at this point is basically anxiously awaiting Angelina's completely unaware Final Tribal speech about that time she heroically saved all their lives by sacrificing herself and winning rice and slaying a dragon.
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If Angelina wins I want her first purchase with her newfound million to be rice.
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It'll probably be a jacket.
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I think I'd honestly prefer an Alison win over Kara at this point. I've barely remembered the latter exists the last few episodes and her only major move post merge has been... to cut Dan as an ally.
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At this point with it seeming less and less likely that Nick and Davie are going to win I don't see how the Angelina comedy option isn't the best possible outcome. She gonna buy a jacket made out of rice.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Also I don't care so much about the theme and life stories but it feels fair to presume that if you're a "goliath" you're probably doing okay financially. The one time I remember it coming up during FTC was in Fiji. Stacy asked Earl about the money partially because Dreamz had talked so openly about being truly poor and Earl talked about how that money would be life-changing for any of them. It really felt like Stacy was looking for reassurance that would allow her to vote for someone other that the person who needed the money the most, but it did show that wealth is at least a consideration.
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I hope she tries to bribe the jury and her opening offer in the negotiation is $99,000 to every juror if she wins
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STAC Goat posted:- Mike, Angelina, and Nick ALL tipped Christian off as well. I love how bad this cast is at Survivor. The whole dramatic "reading people" idol thing he did was all a show to try and keep them all thinking they were the one person he was trusting. Wasn’t “radical honesty” what Adam Klein said he was doing? I think it can work if you’re playing from the middle. If you’re at the top I don’t think you can get away with it.
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Chili posted:At this point with it seeming less and less likely that Nick and Davie are going to win I don't see how the Angelina comedy option isn't the best possible outcome. 
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