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Pirate Radar posted:private property is a system of violence and it is enforced and continued by violence, at best you can outsource your violence to others I don’t disagree in theory, but these same people’s kids were tortured murdered by the Tsar’s army for resisting conscription (I’m not searching through an entire Tolstoy book for a citation) so there’s kind of something to it.
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So, for those keeping score, in the last day or so, this thread has advocated (a) lynch mobs and (b) murdering the Amish. Guess it's the right thread for it.
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docbeard posted:So, for those keeping score, in the last day or so, this thread has advocated (a) lynch mobs and (b) murdering the Amish. daps, my Martyr’s Mirror avatar brother.
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Pirate Radar posted:private property is a system of violence and it is enforced and continued by violence, at best you can outsource your violence to others How does this theory square with Native American land ownership? The real answer is obviously "nuance" but you brought this up in the context of the Amish getting murdered
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Control Volume posted:How does this theory square with Native American land ownership? The real answer is obviously "nuance" but you brought this up in the context of the Amish getting murdered Native Americans obviously were not pacifists
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gradenko_2000 posted:Native Americans obviously were not pacifists "were" lol theyre still around my dude
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Control Volume posted:How does this theory square with Native American land ownership? The real answer is obviously "nuance" but you brought this up in the context of the Amish getting murdered You mean reserves? In the cases I'm familiar with, a band member may own a house, but the land it's on belongs to the tribe. Tribes are groups which claim not the right to privately own land, but to collectively govern themselves within a territory determined by historical occupation and use, was restricted and defined by treaties. In the past, there was not conflict and agreements for ownership of territory, but rather use of specific resources within that territory. So a battle or negotiations might be engaged to secure the right to fish in a particular spot without being chased off by the those who already fish there. Hodgepodge has issued a correction as of 05:24 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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docbeard posted:So, for those keeping score, in the last day or so, this thread has advocated (a) lynch mobs and (b) murdering the Amish. imagine thinking the police arent the ones who were doing and protecting the lynching this whole time 
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docbeard posted:So, for those keeping score, in the last day or so, this thread has advocated (a) lynch mobs and (b) murdering the Amish. I mean to be fair are the Amish really so great?
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christmas boots posted:I mean to be fair are the Amish really so great? They're really bad, just like every religious fundamentalist enclave. They're basically the entire argument for outlawing homeschooling.
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christmas boots posted:I mean to be fair are the Amish really so great? They're pretty bad, but not as bad as a lot of other people. They're about 40 spots down on my list of people to guillotine.
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amish communities are rife with incest and sexual abuse and many other horrible things but it's all worth it for uhhh, not having technology I guess
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Theyre pretty hosed up but until someone develops a way fix those issues that isnt just forced cultural assimilation, Im not sure how to solve them
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Control Volume posted:Theyre pretty hosed up but until someone develops a way fix those issues that isnt just forced cultural assimilation, Im not sure how to solve them  apparently.FWIW I have issues with the Amish, but that's the closest thing I could think of that people would recognize.
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it's the best of all outcomes: mercilessly destroying a group of people that can never post due to their way of life
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Hodgepodge posted:In the past, there was not conflict and agreements for ownership of territory, but rather use of specific resources within that territory. So a battle or negotiations might be engaged to secure the right to fish in a particular spot without being chased off by the those who already fish there. Eh, ownership varied. Some cultures like the Hopi, had collective management of houses and fields under clans, others like the O'odham had corporate group field plots but collective water rights, and other groups in the Northwest Coast had straight up private property rights and you could be killed for picking camas bulbs or fishing in an area another group owned. Ancient Hohokam probably had some sort of Proudhonian possession sort of tenure system, while Chaco Canyon had priest-rulers controlling some of the means of production. Turns out Native American cultural practices are extremely diverse, more so than like, the European Subcontinent. And that's not even getting into Mesoamerican and South American peoples, which is a whole other deal. But like, some groups very much did have territorial ownership and enforced it. KiteAuraan has issued a correction as of 07:27 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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KiteAuraan posted:Eh, ownership varied. Some cultures like the Hopi, had collective management of houses and fields under clans, others like the O'odham had corporate group field plots but collective water rights, and other groups in the Northwest Coast had straight up private property rights and you could be killed for picking camas bulbs or fishing in an area another group owned. Ancient Hohokam probably had some sort of Proudhonian possession sort of tenure system, while Chaco Canyon had priest-rulers controlling some of the means of production. and of course by the time any Europeans saw any of this they were looking at the sub 10% of the original population that remained living in a Mad Max hellscape so in the vast majority of cases we really have no loving clue what things were like beforehand
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Victory Position posted:it's the best of all outcomes: mercilessly destroying a group of people that can never post due to their way of life not posting is the only good thing about the amish its something we could all do well aspiring to
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Control Volume posted:Its extremely unfair that the kulak propaganda still persists but homosexuality being a counterrevolutionary fascist conspiracy doesnt even get the time of day anymore one of the things that chafes me about the sanitization of stalin is that in a russian society in which homosexuality was decriminalized in 1917 after the october revolution, stalin recriminalized it as part of a political program to push people into nuclear families to produce more children. same reason he recriminalized abortion lol  (the real reason I am a trotskyist lol)
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Not trying to sanitise Stalin but genuine, non-rhethorical question because I'm legit curious: Was there any place on earth pre WW2 where being openly homosexual wouldn't gently caress you over pretty bad?
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Teal posted:Not trying to sanitise Stalin but genuine, non-rhethorical question because I'm legit curious: Was there any place on earth pre WW2 where being openly homosexual wouldn't gently caress you over pretty bad? The Ottoman Empire
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Teal posted:Not trying to sanitise Stalin but genuine, non-rhethorical question because I'm legit curious: Was there any place on earth pre WW2 where being openly homosexual wouldn't gently caress you over pretty bad? the Weimar Republic was pretty good about it by the standards of the time but whoops then Nazis happened
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Mr. Lobe posted:one of the things that chafes me about the sanitization of stalin is that in a russian society in which homosexuality was decriminalized in 1917 after the october revolution, stalin recriminalized it as part of a political program to push people into nuclear families to produce more children. same reason he recriminalized abortion lol That was definitely one of the things Stalin did wrong.
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Looking back on history we can all do better. But also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCOFER-4hI Kill 'em all let Marx sort 'em out
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Nobody in our time, post the turn of the millennium, who is a diehard Stalinist, wants the brutalization of LGBT people. What they really want is the steadfast, ironfisted relentlessness to brutalize the crapitalist class. And for that, I will accept any unifying figure that gives the people comfort to crush the cockroach crapitalist under their bootheel without an ounce of guilt as they crawl into bed at night. We should not forgive the bosses. The bosses should forgive us for forcing us to this untenable position.
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Taintrunner posted:Nobody in our time, post the turn of the millennium, who is a diehard Stalinist, wants the brutalization of LGBT people. this isn't the correct take thread
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Teal posted:this isn't the correct take thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzCOFER-4hI Not men, fascists.
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Taintrunner posted:Nobody in our time, post the turn of the millennium, who is a diehard Stalinist, wants the brutalization of LGBT people. “Nobody who calls themselves a Stalinist actually is one” then?
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Lots of Amish communities are super poor and we’re hitting a point where they’re having to accept more and more modernization in order to survive at all In plenty of communities families can barely afford shoes so women end up shoeless because why would they need them We’re talking so poor people buy and sell used underwear
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lancemantis posted:We’re talking so poor people buy and sell used underwear This is literally a regular ad on Reddit now as a sex pervert thing
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Taintrunner posted:This is literally a regular ad on Reddit now as a sex pervert thing I wish that I were a Reddit sex pervert. It seems like a simple, carefree life.
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Zeroisanumber posted:I wish that I were a Reddit sex pervert. It seems like a simple, carefree life. I'm too afraid of watching the walls closing in that I'd much rather be a vile Drummerist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrVgSVFXM8M the actress is a First Nations hardass
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Pirate Radar posted:“Nobody who calls themselves a Stalinist actually is one” then? If the tankies thread is any indication a shitload of Stalinists (and tankies in general) are just fundamentalist Christians with different trappings. Honestly happens a lot and is a common issue with progressives and even feminists; changing the names and themes of their ideology without actually changing the beliefs, tenets and prejudices.
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If you're not an Expanse superfan, ah well, the end of the second episode of the second season is the gritty noir space detective played by Thomas Jane of Punisher fame is blowing the brains of the genius super-scientist out before he can fully convince the chaotic neutral main characters from signing onto his horrible alien weapon science project. Which in many ways is an accurate metaphor for the class war that heartlessly awaits us all Ghost Leviathan posted:If the tankies thread is any indication a shitload of Stalinists (and tankies in general) are just fundamentalist Christians with different trappings. Oh gently caress off you anime pervert GBS dipshit
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Ghost Leviathan posted:If the tankies thread is any indication a shitload of Stalinists (and tankies in general) are just fundamentalist Christians with different trappings. maybe you shouldn't read that loving terrible thread then
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Mr. Lobe posted:(the real reason I am a trotskyist lol) turned to entryism by comrade gritty. thought the concept was a failure, now I see it working in a really cool way
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