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Fallom posted:They don’t dude they’re all killing themselves with alcohol like the dude I saw today wearing a Vietnam vet hat buying a gallon of Wild Turkey and a case of bud light at 0730 
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Fallom posted:0730 Stop it
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Semi relevant: NYT smears William Blum after he dies. He's the author of Killing Hope and other anti-imperialist books https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1072734899487039488?s=19 Killing Hope opened my eyes that how much of the CIA's crazy/terrible stuff was actually real and not some internet conspiracy. Edit: thought this was current events thread, phone posting so sorry if this is too political for cool explosions thread
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Legacy of Ashes opened my eyes to how completely loving incompetent the CIA is and always has been.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets? Lol shut up idiot
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets? I sleep in a race car
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets? Probably the same way bomber crews in WW2 slept. On crisp white linen sheets.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets? Your mom committed a greater atrocity so ask her maybe? 
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets?
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Woof Blitzer posted:Stop it AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? I get doing your job to an extent, but bombing civilian infrastructure, irrigation canals, villages, etc to the tune of likely millions of innocent deaths seems to be well into the "just following orders" camp. Did any refuse to attack civilian targets?
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what were the methods used for countering the SAMs from inside the B52? Where the "uplinks" being jammed and therefore not lock could be established? It sounded like the crew were proactive rather than broadcasting and praying.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:what were the methods used for countering the SAMs from inside the B52? Where the "uplinks" being jammed and therefore not lock could be established? It sounded like the crew were proactive rather than broadcasting and praying. Chaff, flares, electronic countermeasure jamming for SA-2s. Problem was they would send up dozens of SAMs and overwhelm the ECM. Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 13, 2018 |
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:what were the methods used for countering the SAMs from inside the B52? Where the "uplinks" being jammed and therefore not lock could be established? It sounded like the crew were proactive rather than broadcasting and praying. IIRC, they usually flew with fighter/bombers and Wild Weasels that either laid down a curtain of chaff for their flight path or Wild Weasels would knockout SAMs if they were able to. Obviously it wasn't 100% effective but the fact only 2 B-52's out of 120 were shot down that night shows it wasn't a crap shoot either.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:How do Vietnam era bomber crews sleep at night? 
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Handsome Ralph posted:IIRC, they usually flew with fighter/bombers and Wild Weasels that either laid down a curtain of chaff for their flight path or Wild Weasels would knockout SAMs if they were able to. Wild Weasel is one crazy fuckin mission “Get them to try and shoot you down then kill the shooter” from a psychological standpoint it’s like trying to win a fight with your opening move being attacking the other guys fist with your nose.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Wild Weasel is one crazy fuckin mission “Get them to try and shoot you down then kill the shooter” from a psychological standpoint it’s like trying to win a fight with your opening move being attacking the other guys fist with your nose. Kind of, but that’s like every single movement to contact in the history of warfare, but grunts don’t always get silly patches for doing that.
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mlmp08 posted:Kind of, but that’s like every single movement to contact in the history of warfare, but grunts don’t always get silly patches for doing that. Army grunts do. It goes on the right shoulder. McNally fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:Wild Weasel is one crazy fuckin mission “Get them to try and shoot you down then kill the shooter” from a psychological standpoint it’s like trying to win a fight with your opening move being attacking the other guys fist with your nose.  The bottom text stands for "You Gotta Be making GBS threads Me"
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:what were the methods used for countering the SAMs from inside the B52? Where the "uplinks" being jammed and therefore not lock could be established? It sounded like the crew were proactive rather than broadcasting and praying. The uplink is the signal from the radar to the missile, telling the missile where to go. If the radar can see you but the missile isn't getting instructions from somewhere, it's gonna miss.
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So these SAMs were not self guiding at this stage in development? I found the video to be very interesting and if someone has a link that covers how a lumbering B52 defended itself over North Vietnam I’d like to read more. I should point out I can see the combined effort to confuse, identify and then try to eliminate SAM Btrys by strike craft; what caught my attention was how the crew were calling out SAM locations and in some manner “combatting” then from their bomber. Edit: also the fact that the second struck bomber was able to fly back to base (subsequently crashing on landing) but still capable of flight after 2 SAM strikes amazes me - counting for a “close call” with lots of shrapnel is still impressive considering B52’s are just huge dump trucks. RestRoomLiterature- fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:So these SAMs were not self guiding at this stage in development? I found the video to be very interesting and if someone has a link that covers how a lumbering B52 defended itself over North Vietnam I’d like to read more. The technology was not quite there yet for in missile self-guiding radar, it was close, but you have to remember the Missiles were Soviet designed. The solution was to saturate the area with S-75s, so that the ECM operator would get overwhelmed, but even then the best shootdown rate was just around 8% quote:The missiles are guided using radio control signals (sent on one of three channels) from the guidance computers at the site. The earlier S-75 models received their commands via two sets of four small antennas in front of the forward fins while the D model and later models used four much larger strip antennas running between the forward and middle fins. The guidance system at an S-75 site can handle only one target at a time, but it can direct three missiles against it. Additional missiles could be fired against the same target after one or more missiles of the first salvo had completed their run, freeing the radio channel.
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RestRoomLiterature- posted:So these SAMs were not self guiding at this stage in development? I found the video to be very interesting and if someone has a link that covers how a lumbering B52 defended itself over North Vietnam I’d like to read more. This might interest you https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a186626.pdf
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Get your SAM on Here's a Youtube Let's Play
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If weaseling interests you, although this is more Iraq than Vietnam, Viper Pilot is a good book. It’s a bit moto from time to time and a couple of the stories sound a bit bullshit but it’s a really fun read and I’d recommend it. Edit: awful app is destroying my bbcode Edit 2: it's not awful app, what the hell - the forums is destroying it Edit 3: Fixed. What the hell was going on ssb fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Dec 14, 2018 |
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I’ve seen Flight of the Intruder, what else is there really
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Happy holidays fellas
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I’ve seen Flight of the Intruder, what else is there really I like to just pretend it was only the flight scenes and ignore everything else.
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zoux posted:Happy holidays fellas That tree certainly has the body shape of the modern military man
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zoux posted:Happy holidays fellas I do love that it's got all the details like the blood stripe and medals.
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It's also got a sweet new Mustang in the driveway that it paid no money down on.
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https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/1072329780488491008 wtf how do you even parse that last image
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Like I get the first and second images. But that third one looks like a practical joke
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Like I get the first and second images. But that third one looks like a practical joke Yeah, I'd love to be able to say it was some staff officer making the most ridiculous diagram they possible could for shits and giggles. But you know it's in painful earnest.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Like I get the first and second images. But that third one looks like a practical joke It looks like a PDF conversion of a powerpoint, they were probably a bunch of animations on top of each other in PDF.
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Every centimeter of that powerpoint slide was explained to the commander at length with another powerpoint slide obviously
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Hot Karl Marx posted:https://twitter.com/HenryKrinkIe/status/1072329780488491008 I assume the last image was a dumb build slide. I could see it making sense, but being dumb that way. If it just presents as that final image, lol.
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