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Some people are interpreting this as meaning that 10nm will be for low power stuff only and the high performance stuff will stay on 14nm++++++++.
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Dec 12, 2018 21:57
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I took it more like an endorsement of chiplets using their new stacking tech. I think that quote was while he was presenting it even. idk for sure though
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Dec 12, 2018 22:14
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It's shrouds.
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Dec 12, 2018 22:27
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I take it as their implementation of 10nm is turning out to be an abject failure, and if they wait for it to add other new features, they'll get cyberbullied enough by nerds for rehashing Skylake in 2020 that finance guys and corporate IT purchasers will take notice.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:05
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movax posted:The Foveros interposing tech is cool; I wonder how it stacks up against the stacking tech that Samsung / TSMC (Xilinx/etc) have been doing. It sounds different in that it's a stack of active parts -- they're talking about the interposer die not just being wiring but also the PCH. Xilinx 2.5D only uses the silicon interposer as wiring, which makes it much cheaper (and more limited in what it can do).
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Dec 13, 2018 05:21
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Cygni posted:I took it more like an endorsement of chiplets using their new stacking tech. I think that quote was while he was presenting it even. idk for sure though Based on the fuller quotes I read in Anandtech's article, it's actually that they don't want to have their new microarchitectural features tied to specific process nodes any more. They were lamenting not being able to backport their 10nm cores to 14nm once it was clear 10nm would be delayed. So, in the future, they're going to change the way they do things to make that sort of course change more possible.
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Dec 13, 2018 05:35
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In other words, they're ready to backport to 14nm++++ when 10nm eventually shits the bed in some hilariously basic load condition
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Dec 13, 2018 08:20
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BobHoward posted:Based on the fuller quotes I read in Anandtech's article, it's actually that they don't want to have their new microarchitectural features tied to specific process nodes any more. They were lamenting not being able to backport their 10nm cores to 14nm once it was clear 10nm would be delayed. So, in the future, they're going to change the way they do things to make that sort of course change more possible. They could have use that brand new uarch with higher IPC than Skylake on ancient 22nm and nobody would really give a flying gently caress to what nanometers its built on as long as the performance is awesome.
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Dec 13, 2018 08:28
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BobHoward posted:It sounds different in that it's a stack of active parts -- they're talking about the interposer die not just being wiring but also the PCH. Xilinx 2.5D only uses the silicon interposer as wiring, which makes it much cheaper (and more limited in what it can do). Definitely missed that; that is pretty baller. I hope they do some interesting things with that tech for their FPGA lineup; Xilinx has been killing it, especially with the recent Versal release and their wins in the cloud computing space.
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Dec 13, 2018 10:07
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actually, nvm
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Dec 15, 2018 01:46
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Potato Salad posted:actually, nvm I realize you're a die-hard Cyrix fanboy, but the AMD K6 is simply the much better choice.
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Dec 15, 2018 02:04
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Lambert posted:I realize you're a die-hard Cyrix fanboy, but the AMD K6 is simply the much better choice. I have no idea what he wrote, but I remember my k6-200 and k62-450 fondly, even if the latter struggled like hell in gta 3. That might have been down to my voodoo3 3000, too..
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Dec 15, 2018 09:26
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HalloKitty posted:I have no idea what he wrote, but I remember my k6-200 and k62-450 fondly, even if the latter struggled like hell in gta 3. That might have been down to my voodoo3 3000, too.. I remembered very clearly that my hand-me-down Celeron 333A thrashed the poo poo out of my K6-2 500MHz in every PC game and was also a ton more stable in Win98.
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Dec 15, 2018 10:18
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Decelerons Not emptyquoting.
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Dec 15, 2018 15:41
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Palladium posted:I remembered very clearly that my hand-me-down Celeron 333A thrashed the poo poo out of my K6-2 500MHz in every PC game and was also a ton more stable in Win98. My big upgrade off a 486 was to a K6-2 500. Even after I threw in an AGP Radeon 7200, Half Life chugged so hard. Good times playing CS b5.2 and TFC at a glorious 12 FPS.
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Dec 15, 2018 18:30
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Celerons they
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Dec 15, 2018 19:46
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I spent 3 years playing half life and quake on a 366MHz celeron with integrated graphics featuring 4MB of VRAM  . I upgraded big time to a 1.4GHz Athlon T-bird and GeForce 3 after that though.
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Dec 15, 2018 20:44
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Celerons 
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Dec 16, 2018 19:19
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MaxxBot posted:I spent 3 years playing half life and quake on a 366MHz celeron with integrated graphics featuring 4MB of VRAM
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Dec 16, 2018 19:22
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sincx fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Mar 23, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2018 19:23
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mystes posted:It was nice how much faster computers used to get when you upgraded. I went k62 / savage 4 to athlon / gf2, I'll never get a bump like that ever again. E - ssd in 2009 came close.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:24
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I'm still jealous of people that got Celeron 300As. They were released when I was still living with my parents and my dad heard that slot CPUs were bad so I went from Socket 7 to Socket 370 with nothing in between.
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Dec 16, 2018 19:27
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Which were the Celerons that you could run dual cpus through a minor hack. That was pretty cool. I had a 300A @ 450 too and that was a heckofa deal.
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Dec 16, 2018 20:25
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I got greedy and bought a Celeron 366 hoping to get 550 but I didn't and ended up with a not quite 450 set up 
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Dec 17, 2018 07:32
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priznat posted:Which were the Celerons that you could run dual cpus through a minor hack. That was pretty cool. The classic Abit bp6. My first real computer.
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Dec 17, 2018 07:41
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Penguin Bacon posted:The classic Abit bp6. My first real computer. Wow, Abit, totally had forgotten about that brand! Neat.
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Dec 17, 2018 07:45
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My dual CPU boards, both a 2xP2-350 and later a 2xP3-933, lasted me very very long times. While at the tail end not as fast in single threaded loads, the availability of a second CPU/core to execute threads waiting to run (--edit: when some app had a thread going 100%) made my computers a million times more usable than anything else that came up after that. Shortly after I got my P3, Intel announced Xeon and that they're going to disable multiprocessing on the consumer CPUs. loving bastards. I held out on my P3 until AMD eventually brought dual core CPUs.
Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 13:42
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i was all AMD at the time, but i've always lusted after a Slot 1 Celeron 300A + Abit BH6 combo ive had to stop myself from drunkenly buying that setup on ebay with a couple of Voodoo 2s and a Vortex 2 soundcard multiple times. like i know it would be completely worthless and just take up space in my house... but i must have it
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Dec 17, 2018 20:34
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MaxxBot posted:Some people are interpreting this as meaning that 10nm will be for low power stuff only and the high performance stuff will stay on 14nm++++++++. Considering the 10nm chips Intel has released, the process in its current incarnation is likely a mess that can't yield anything more than a GPUless 2 core for poo poo. High performance stuff may have to wait for 7nm to get their shrink beyond more 14nm refinements. Some takeaways: a muarch with wider front end which will likely be quite a bit faster; optimization for "deep learning" because I guess they think GPUs don't exist; and 3D stacked stuff that somehow will not incinerate itself and all around under load. Intel has lots of talent, so perhaps they can pull it off, but the gluing consumer chips together approach seems the winner on paper. Also: dual celerons 4 eva. I still regret selling that PC.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:38
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mystes posted:It was nice how much faster computers used to get when you upgraded. Right, but it’s also nice now being legitimately able to ride out a platform purchase for 5 years if you want. That said what I usually want are fun new builds so I find reasons to upgrade anyway.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:48
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I keep my old CPUs with a selection of those that are thrown out at work on my cube wall and have accumulated a pretty good selection of Intel's lineup over the years, as well as a few AMD and Sun models: The slotted models are given the center spot on the vertex connector, since they're too fat to sit in the top grooves. The one on the right may be especially recognizable given the conversation over the last page.
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Dec 18, 2018 18:01
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Hey so I managed to pillage a 4790 non-k from a warranty job, and I'm wondering if it's worth finding a board for. Currently using a 2500k in a z77 board running at about 4.4ghz (it gets hot here). I assume the 4790 would perform better in later games seeing as I know a fair few people using this chip still? Edit: I also have a 6500 which they still make boards for but I assume that won't actually get me any real performance benefit.
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Dec 20, 2018 00:00
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From an overclocked 2500K to a 4790 will probably end up slower. Even if you get a motherboard that supports ignoring turbo limits that's only 4 GHz, unlikely to be faster than a 4.4 GHz 2500.
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Dec 20, 2018 00:11
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A 4790 will be faster in newer stuff that requires more than 4 threads. At 4GHz, it'll probably be on par with old Sandy's performance at 4.4, since Devil's Canyon has about 10% more IPC. If you can find a Q, H, or C series for under fifty bucks, go for it. You don't need a Z series since it's got a locked multi, and you can use the same RAM. So fifty bucks would be all you'd pay and that's that. You can get some C series workstation boards for next to nothing if you can splice your own ATX and CPU HSF wire adapters, since they'd use weird proprietary Dell/Lenovo/HP plugs, because those companies are dicks like that.
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Dec 20, 2018 03:38
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Semi-old PC chat: it was all about the SCSI to avoid lockups burning discs & driving an hour to the nearest Best Buy to get way too many CD-R's far too many times. New Egg 0% Credit was also nice as a poor back then.
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Dec 20, 2018 04:31
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sadus posted:Semi-old PC chat: it was all about the SCSI to avoid lockups burning discs & driving an hour to the nearest Best Buy to get way too many CD-R's far too many times. But only those Taiyo Yudens...
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Dec 20, 2018 04:33
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YES. I ended up with about two trash bags full of CDs to shred a few moves ago 
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bobfather posted:But only those Taiyo Yudens... Lol, I remember buying hundreds of these (CDs and DVDs) online from a specific retailer, but Google isn't helping me and the email address I used to use is no longer in service. I'm pretty sure goons only ordered from this place. The discs didn't have any kind of branding on them; they were completely silver and hard to tell which side was the data side at a glance. I still have some old data backed up on CDs sitting in a drawer in my garage. I even have an optical drive in my PC still.
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