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Dr. Video Games 0135
May 20, 2003

That's gonna be a zoinks from me, Scoob
Diehard Nintendo fans are fuckin weird. The videogame equivalent of that person who's just a little too into Disney movies as an adult

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Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Barudak posted:

That absolutely nobody with a switch played because they only own nintendo hardware

this is a really weird and bad assumption that everyone seems to make


hot take: ports of 360 and ps3 games on the switch are good, even if i have already played them, because having them on a handheld is really good

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

bradzilla posted:

Hey now, it's also got a million ports of games from the PS3/360 generation.

also phone game ports

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

food court bailiff posted:

this is a really weird and bad assumption that everyone seems to make


hot take: ports of 360 and ps3 games on the switch are good, even if i have already played them, because having them on a handheld is really good

"it's actually really cool to buy an 8 year old game for $60 because HANDHELD!"

olives black
Nov 24, 2017


LENIN.
STILL.
WON'T.
FUCK.
ME.

a new study bible! posted:

JRPGS are poo poo though.

Anachronox is good because it shits on other JRPGs

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar
PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug.

Imagine telling someone to build their own furniture.

"It's not that hard! I saved a ton!"

Load of loving marks.

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

bradzilla posted:

"it's actually really cool to buy an 8 year old game for $60 because HANDHELD!"

Honestly I don't get the love of the handheld mode but I mean it's there so whatevs. I've used the handheld mode like 3 times because the games I like on the thing are too busy for the screen to be that small or they are games I want to play for a long time. I don't care for long RPGs and stuff on the 3DS because I wanna play games on my couch or something and when I'm there, I have the choice between my 3DS and my consoles and the consoles are gonna win every time. The PSTV was good just because it let me play Vita games without using a handheld.

Yeah that's right the Vita had good games

Magnitogorsk.
Nov 14, 2004

Global warming is barely a big deal at all compared to the trajectory we used to be on. We'll have to do a lot of environmental engineering projects along certain shorelines and it will be a little warmer and wetter in some places, big fucking deal.

joedevola posted:

PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug.

Imagine telling someone to build their own furniture.

"It's not that hard! I saved a ton!"

Load of loving marks.

what went wrong when you tried to build your PC?

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar

Magnitogorsk. posted:

what went wrong when you tried to build your PC?

I'm too poor

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

joedevola posted:

PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug.

Imagine telling someone to build their own furniture.

"It's not that hard! I saved a ton!"

Load of loving marks.

Well in this case "build" is just "put together" so yeah it's equivalent to something every person who has ever shopped at Ikea has done.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

joedevola posted:

PC gaming is a scam and everyone who tells you to build your own PC is a mug.

Imagine telling someone to build their own furniture.

"It's not that hard! I saved a ton!"

Load of loving marks.

but building your own furniture rules?

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Chomp8645 posted:

Well in this case "build" is just "put together" so yeah it's equivalent to something every person who has ever shopped at Ikea has done.

just Iol if you don't hand craft your CPU using sand from your back yard

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar
I don't have the time to figure out which one of the fifty different power supplies in my price range is the best. I have a job. I have poo poo to do. And I don't loving want to.

You should be able to get a state of the art gaming PC for like £600. Just go in to a shop and buy one. Instead you have to juggle the pricing of fifty different things, all of which fluctuate insanely due to the whims of crypto currency and whatever else. No other consumer good is like this, it's dumb.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

You can just go to the PC hardware SA thread, pick the recommended pieces for your price range and buy the whole thing online so it'll be assembled and sent to you.

Yeah PC hardware is insanely overpriced right now for a variety of reasons, but figuring out what you should buy isn't much of a problem.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
If you don't care about money that much, just buy one from a reputable brand? The price difference is going to minuscule, anyways.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

joedevola posted:

I don't have the time to figure out which one of the fifty different power supplies in my price range is the best. I have a job. I have poo poo to do. And I don't loving want to.

You should be able to get a state of the art gaming PC for like £600. Just go in to a shop and buy one. Instead you have to juggle the pricing of fifty different things, all of which fluctuate insanely due to the whims of crypto currency and whatever else. No other consumer good is like this, it's dumb.

lol

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

joedevola posted:

I don't have the time to figure out which one of the fifty different power supplies in my price range is the best. I have a job. I have poo poo to do. And I don't loving want to.

You should be able to get a state of the art gaming PC for like £600. Just go in to a shop and buy one. Instead you have to juggle the pricing of fifty different things, all of which fluctuate insanely due to the whims of crypto currency and whatever else. No other consumer good is like this, it's dumb.

just buy a prefab computer from Wal-Mart and put a good graphics card in it. There you go, you now have a top tier MLG gaming battlestation

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

joedevola posted:

I don't have the time to figure out which one of the fifty different power supplies in my price range is the best. I have a job. I have poo poo to do. And I don't loving want to.

Okay. The way things are right now it's better to buy prebuilt anyways. There's no reason to try and justify not wanting to do it by saying you don't have the time, which is ridiculous because it's a two hour task at max if you're being really anal about it.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
You seem to think that "a separate machine for enthusiasts" is inherently a bad idea. But I mean it's just likes cars (lol it's a car analogy). Pretty much everyone can buy a stock car (console) and operate it without trouble, and never need anything more. Enthusiasts who want something different can either soup up and modify the car themselves ("building" your own PC), or pay a premium for someone else to do it if they want the product but don't have the knowledge/inclination to do it themselves (buying pre-built gaming PC). Walking into Walmart expecting a good gaming PC for not much money is walking into the used car dealer and enthusiastically believing everything the sales guy says.

There is nothing wrong with this and it's in fact quite normal for many products in daily life. You could probably draw similar analogies to sports equipment, tools, patio decor art supplies, home appliances, etc. Pretty much anything that has a large base of casual users but deeper products for enthusiasts.

If you want an advanced product but don't have the knowledge/inclination to go into yourself, either pay a premium for someone else to do that work, or step down the regular consumer grade. Pretty normal stuff.

Meme Poker Party fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 17, 2018

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar
edit:

Elman posted:

You can just go to the PC hardware SA thread, pick the recommended pieces for your price range and buy the whole thing online so it'll be assembled and sent to you.

Yeah PC hardware is insanely overpriced right now for a variety of reasons, but figuring out what you should buy isn't much of a problem.

here actually you know what you're right let me just check out the thread and



What the gently caress does any of this mean. I am not a wizard. I am a stupid man who wants to play games at 60FPS with a mouse and keyboard.

The ps4pro does 4K, sometimes even at 60fps, right? £350. I understand economies of scale and streamlined production pipelines and the coding benefits of uniform hardware. I understand this. It still seems ridiculous to me that in this late capitalist nightmare we live in I can't just buy a thing for a reasonable price.

But people keep paying what they ask so they keep making it more expensive. Mugs.

joedevola fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 17, 2018

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

If a video game has anime art styling it is absolutely going to be a bad game. This obviously includes most (all?) JRPGs.

Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

bradzilla posted:

"it's actually really cool to buy an 8 year old game for $60 because HANDHELD!"

"it's really cool to have no idea how much things cost and use that as the basis for a DUMB STRAWMAN"

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

jokes posted:

If a video game has anime art styling it is absolutely going to be a bad game. This obviously includes most (all?) JRPGs.

I tried to think of a counter-example without reaching into PS2 era or earlier.

Couldn't do it.

is pepsi ok
Oct 23, 2002

Valkria Chronicles is good and is anime as hell.

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

food court bailiff posted:

"it's really cool to have no idea how much things cost and use that as the basis for a DUMB STRAWMAN"

Ah yes,

https://www.amazon.com/Elder-Scroll...s=skyrim+switch

https://www.amazon.com/d/Nintendo-S...rds=doom+switch

https://www.amazon.com/Mario-Kart-D...ds=switch+games

https://www.amazon.com/New-Super-Mario-Bros-Deluxe-Nintendo/dp/B07HCZ7LPW/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1545071091&sr=8-18&keywords=switch+games

Also I don't think you know what strawman means lol

In before "WELL ACTUALLY none of these games count because,"

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

joedevola posted:



What the gently caress does any of this mean. I am not a wizard. I am a stupid man who wants to play games at 60FPS with a mouse and keyboard.



Just get a console and leave this stuff to the big dawgs of gaming, boy :clint:

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting

joedevola posted:

edit:


here actually you know what you're right let me just check out the thread and



What the gently caress does any of this mean. I am not a wizard. I am a stupid man who wants to play games at 60FPS with a mouse and keyboard.

The ps4pro does 4K, sometimes even at 60fps, right? £350. I understand economies of scale and streamlined production pipelines and the coding benefits of uniform hardware. I understand this. It still seems ridiculous to me that in this late capitalist nightmare we live in I can't just buy a thing for a reasonable price.

But people keep paying what they ask so they keep making it more expensive. Mugs.

People who like things for reasons I don't understand are dumb

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar

signalnoise posted:

People who like things for reasons I don't understand are dumb

You've been tricked into performing labour and overpaying for parts because it gives you the illusion of being some sort of artisan.

Again, nothing else in consumer electronics is like this. You cannot buy a good, hassle free, already assembled gaming PC for anything like a reasonable price. Not in the UK at least. That seems weird to me.

vvvv
edit: alright, 4K with nice settings at a locked 30 with no screen tearing or any other weird buggy bullshit. Still seems like a pretty good deal. I just want that but with mouse and keyboard gaming.

joedevola fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Dec 17, 2018

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I don't think PS4Pro can do 4k@60. Maybe it cheats or something, but 4k@60 is a tall fuckin' order.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

joedevola posted:

vvvv
edit: alright, 4K with nice settings at a locked 30 with no screen tearing or any other weird buggy bullshit. Still seems like a pretty good deal. I just want that but with mouse and keyboard gaming.

It doesn't do 4k, at least not with any modern game. And certainly not "at a locked 30 with no screen tearing or any other weird buggy bullshit". Console games are full of that stuff - especially fps drops and tearing.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

joedevola posted:

I don't have the time to figure out which one of the fifty different power supplies in my price range is the best. I have a job. I have poo poo to do. And I don't loving want to.

You should be able to get a state of the art gaming PC for like £600. Just go in to a shop and buy one. Instead you have to juggle the pricing of fifty different things, all of which fluctuate insanely due to the whims of crypto currency and whatever else. No other consumer good is like this, it's dumb.

You should be able to just open any package in a supermarket and eat it right there to get your daily nutritional needs, anybody who tells you about stuff like "cooking" is a moron, no other consumer good is like this

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar

Lambert posted:

It doesn't do 4k, at least not with any modern game. And certainly not "at a locked 30 with no screen tearing or any other weird buggy bullshit". Console games are full of that stuff - especially fps drops and tearing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y&t=1681s

Show me a PC that can do that for the price of a PS4 pro* and I'll stop complaining. gently caress I'll buy it right now and leave this thread fooorrreeeeveeeerrr

*or even like, two hundred quid more, I know windows can eat a lot of resources.

steinrokkan posted:

You should be able to just open any package in a supermarket and eat it right there to get your daily nutritional needs, anybody who tells you about stuff like "cooking" is a moron, no other consumer good is like this

Cooking meals from scratch with ingredients costs less than processed meals. You're making the opposite of the argument you think you're making.

joedevola fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 17, 2018

klapman
Aug 27, 2012

this char is good

joedevola posted:

edit:


here actually you know what you're right let me just check out the thread and



What the gently caress does any of this mean. I am not a wizard. I am a stupid man who wants to play games at 60FPS with a mouse and keyboard.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3774409#post459415953

Anyways your problem isn't that you're stupid, it's that you're insanely combative about even minor poo poo like this. I can't imagine what it would be like to deal with you in the face of an actual crisis, and hope I never have to.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib

joedevola posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2wr7vebb6Y&t=1681s

Show me a PC that can do that for the price of a PS4 pro* and I'll stop complaining. gently caress I'll buy it right now and leave this thread fooorrreeeeveeeerrr

*or even like, two hundred quid more, I know windows can eat a lot of resources.


Cooking meals from scratch with ingredients costs less than processed meals. You're making the opposite of the argument you think you're making.

I mean, the console business model is getting people to pay more for games. I can get brand new PC games for very cheap from cdkeys etc. Of course a PS4 would be cheaper to buy outright.

Also, switching one setting to enable faster RAM timings/overclock your RAM automatically doesn't seem like the most challenging task. Building your own computer is for enthusiasts, if you don't want to think about that type of stuff, a pre-built or a console are fine choices.

Lambert fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 17, 2018

joedevola
Sep 11, 2004

worst song, played on ugliest guitar

klapman posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3774409#post459415953

Anyways your problem isn't that you're stupid, it's that you're insanely combative about even minor poo poo like this.

No it's that and I'm stupid. And lazy.

a new study bible!
Feb 2, 2009



BIG DICK NICK
A Philadelphia Legend
Fly Eagles Fly


PC gaming is worth it for the reduced load times alone.

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
I need a 2080 Ti so I can play Age of Empires 2 at the best possible quality level.

hawowanlawow
Jul 27, 2009

lol @ windows hogging resources

what year is this?

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

hawowanlawow posted:

lol @ windows hogging resources

what year is this?

2018 but still correct

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

It is odd, the Windows-PC gaming unholy union. Like, Windows is getting bigger and more invasive. There are considerable system resources (especially storage) that's getting sucked up just for Windows's junk. My PC is 100% a video game device. Well, maybe 95% video games and 5% porn. So it's odd that there isn't a way to play video games on a leaner platform like how consoles operate. Though, I guess Xbox will be running a very small version of Windows 10 or something? I don't know.

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