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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
| Titan |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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Would Wellness cover something like Bob Orton blading in his son's match with Taker and them not informing Taker that Bob Orton had Hep C?
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Dec 17, 2018 21:03
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Endless Mike posted:Yeah, same. Having the Tyson Kidd situation seeded higher is weird to me. He almost died and WWE completely mishandled the injury leading to Natalya reportedly having to drive him to the hospital herself.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:09
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Didn't it come out when he said there was something wrong with his neck, WWE told him to basically "walk it off"?
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Dec 17, 2018 21:18
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Davros1 posted:Didn't it come out when he said there was something wrong with his neck, WWE told him to basically "walk it off"? Bruce Hart said he was told to hit the showers but Tyson tweeted that he hadn't talked to Bruce, end of story. He never denied any of the specific things Bruce said, to my knowledge. Bret mostly blamed the muscle buster but alluded to some problems with WWE's treatment of it as well. So we can't be sure what happened other than it was really really bad and they don't want it getting out. As for Orton you could argue it is part of that period's Wellness. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 21:29
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I just read a big long interview with him that I think got posted in one of the weekly threads a couple weeks back and, to be fair, he could just be towing (toeing?) the company line, but it sounded like he was the one that was being super bullheaded about everything and wwe actually took pretty good care of him, but maybe there’s something I haven’t read. Like my understanding, perhaps naive, was that WWE were actually pretty good guys for once and Kidd’s injury doesn’t belong in this tournament. Am I wrong? E: here’s that article https://www.thewhig.com/entertainment/television/tj-wilson-wrestlings-comeback-kidd (He should be dead) E: skimming back over that article, they just kinda skip from the end of the match to “now I’m in the hospital” and it sounds like the contention itt is with respect to that chunk that gets skipped in the article? Sockser fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Dec 17, 2018 |
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Dec 17, 2018 21:33
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Davros1 posted:Didn't it come out when he said there was something wrong with his neck, WWE told him to basically "walk it off"? At best they thought it was nowhere near as severe as it legitimately was, at worst they thought he was faking, and either way they had a too-lengthy discussion of whether to deem it worthy of an ambulance trip
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Dec 17, 2018 21:34
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Going with wellness just because it was larger scale.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:35
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MassRafTer posted:As for Orton you could argue it is part of that period's Wellness. Speaking of Orton, didn't have to rewrite the rules several times for the Wellness policy so as to avoid giving him his third strike?
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Dec 17, 2018 21:51
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Sockser posted:I just read a big long interview with him that I think got posted in one of the weekly threads a couple weeks back and, to be fair, he could just be towing (toeing?) the company line, but it sounded like he was the one that was being super bullheaded about everything and wwe actually took pretty good care of him, but maybe there’s something I haven’t read. Yes, and why he was tweeting about WWE not wanting people to know about the situation. The stuff about him being bullheaded in the interview has to do with him coming back to WWE, not with how they treated the injury. He even says in the interview he immediately knew it was broken.
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Dec 17, 2018 21:55
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bartok posted:Speaking of Orton, didn't have to rewrite the rules several times for the Wellness policy so as to avoid giving him his third strike? IIRC , he got busted a third time but all of a sudden there was a new caveat that you can get suspensions erased after a few years or something
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Dec 17, 2018 21:57
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PUNKS DIET SODA posted:IIRC , he got busted a third time but all of a sudden there was a new caveat that you can get suspensions erased after a few years or something Yep. Basically established what everyone already knew, which was they're fine with punishing you (beyond just giving you time off) only if you don't really matter that much to them
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Dec 17, 2018 22:00
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Chris James 2 posted:Yep. Basically established what everyone already knew, which was they're fine with punishing you (beyond just giving you time off) only if you don't really matter that much to them Yeah. There was that thing a year a two ago where Konnor of The Ascension was suspended because it was his second strike. Of course, between his first and second strike he had actually left the WWE and returned, but WWE said it still counted.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:08
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Orton had a couple busts that somehow weren't violations. He only had 2 strikes when the policy change happened that let you remove strikes. He should have had 4 at the time or something like that.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:09
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Weren't a couple of Randy's busts for weed? Not to support WWE moving the goalposts, but I'd rather athletes smoke weed to dull pain than abuse opiates
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Dec 17, 2018 22:27
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Weren't a couple of Randy's busts for weed? Not to support WWE moving the goalposts, but I'd rather athletes smoke weed to dull pain than abuse opiates Weed fines aren't strikes. He probably gets fined a ton but we're not counting those here.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:35
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Weren't a couple of Randy's busts for weed? Not to support WWE moving the goalposts, but I'd rather athletes smoke weed to dull pain than abuse opiates My favorite of the Orton bullshit was that he already pissed hot from Signature Pharmacy drugs in 2006 so he was not suspended again for continuing to buy through early 2007.
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Dec 17, 2018 22:36
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Synthetic weed was a strike, regular weed wasn't. Synthetic is why Matt Sydal got 2 strikes before he was fired
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Dec 17, 2018 22:38
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I went with Tyson because it is just so senseless.
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Dec 18, 2018 00:01
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Chris James 2 posted:Synthetic weed was a strike, regular weed wasn't. Synthetic is why Matt Sydal got 2 strikes before he was fired Swagger as well, as I recall. Or some comedy jobber maybe?
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Dec 18, 2018 00:11
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Sockser posted:Swagger as well, as I recall. Or some comedy jobber maybe? R-Truth. Swagger was just an idiot who got arrested for DUI and possession of the real weed literally the week after winning a Mania title shot that he was at the time expected to win. He wasn't suspended I don't think, just ruined his own push and was jobbed out including at Mania
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Dec 18, 2018 00:17
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I voted the wellness policy because it cast a bigger net, but there are no wrong answers on this one.
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Dec 18, 2018 00:41
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It's the completely loving disgusting and disgraceful homophobic Goldust gimmick vs the loving disgraceful necrophilia angle. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1074842343075966977
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Dec 18, 2018 02:56
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Oh boy that one is a rough loving vote
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Dec 18, 2018 02:57
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Katie Vick is too stupid to be offensive.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:01
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People seem to handwave it because they like Dustin the person, but Goldust was always an awful loving gimmick
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Dec 18, 2018 03:03
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MassRafTer posted:It's the completely loving disgusting and disgraceful homophobic Goldust gimmick vs the loving disgraceful necrophilia angle. "You mean you're not a fag?". Imagine if that one got dropped on today's RAW. Benne posted:People seem to handwave it because they like Dustin the person, but Goldust was always an awful loving gimmick It's also because Dustin did everything he could to make it work.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:08
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El Gallinero Gros posted:"You mean you're not a fag?". That's why Dustin can get hosed.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:09
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how can we crucify baseball man for holding individuals accountable for their actions, and then do it ourselves. be careful
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Dec 18, 2018 03:20
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MassRafTer posted:That's why Dustin can get hosed. I disagree with this. Due to him the gay panic poo poo they were trying to illicit never worked on me. I always liked Goldust. I wanted him to win. I didn't like his opponents due to them being insecure pussies. Doesn't excuse the guys who came up with it, but what he did with it was the best anyone could possibly do.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:31
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Vince MechMahon posted:I disagree with this. Due to him the gay panic poo poo they were trying to illicit never worked on me. I always liked Goldust. I wanted him to win. I didn't like his opponents due to them being insecure pussies. Doesn't excuse the guys who came up with it, but what he did with it was the best anyone could possibly do. He turned face by declaring he wasn't "queer" he was a real man.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:33
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MassRafTer posted:He turned face by declaring he wasn't "queer" he was a real man. I bet that was also mandated. It's also when I checked out of the character.
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Dec 18, 2018 03:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhgwRIP3dQU https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmxxqi
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Dec 18, 2018 03:37
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Goldust was as much product of its time than an explicit sin of WWE. Society as a whole was still adapting to the notion of homosexuality being genetic and not a choice. 'Gay Panic' and 'Toxic Masculinity' were social concepts that were at best in the fringes of the collective social conscience. Things started to chill out after the first year or two. I say 'started'. I still voted Goldust mind you. Having a character reinforce the notion of gay=evil was still very hurtful regardless of social attitudes. Katie Vick was just gross and stupid, I'd go as far as to say that this should have been NITed. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Dec 18, 2018 |
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Dec 18, 2018 03:55
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Goldust is worse. Still haven't voted on Kidd v Wellness though.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:08
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Goldust helped teach the biggest youth audience in WWF history that being gay is extremely bad, not manly and that anyone who seems gay should get their rear end kicked. They would have gotten this lesson elsewhere, but it reinforced it, graphically. And the gimmick remains alive to this day reminding us there are no consequences for this company, things just get white washed and rehabbed without apology or care.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:12
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I voted Vick because homophobic gimmicks didn't start with WWF but necrophilia was new, unbroken ground.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:29
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Reminder that the Goldust vs Roddy Piper match at Wrestlemania 12 ended on the reveal that the weird sexually menacing golden gay man from Hollywood was also a transvestite. Because the match didn't feel like enough of a hate crime yet, I guess. I am entirely too fond of modern Goldust for quite frankly no good reason, but gently caress Goldust.
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Dec 18, 2018 04:29
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Why are so many entries in this tournament just ways to make fun of dusty rhodes
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Dec 18, 2018 05:14
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He was poor and became rich through hard work and was nice to black people. All of these things are unacceptable to Vince.
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Dec 18, 2018 05:16
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Katie Vick is arguably the least offensive thing in this tournament 😩
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Dec 18, 2018 05:27
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