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| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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STAC Goat posted:If I remember right Kane eventually confirmed and embraced the fact that he raped a corpse. So HHH was - naturally - totally right and justified. Because WWE. The American government is feeding the Saudis left and right, so how do you feel about living in America? Maybe you should take your commie rear end to South America. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Like, even without engaging in the incredibly disingenuous and nonsensical false equivalency you draw and the practical realities of political engagement (and the fact you know nothing about my political engagement) "Buy the WWE Network or move to South America you commie" is maybe one the stupidest things I've ever read or heard.
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Dec 18, 2018 22:17
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Move to Canada, they're already at a diplomatic impasse with Saudi Arabia.
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Dec 18, 2018 22:37
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Well at least the Khashoggi stuff has led a number of US politicians to at least pay lip service to opposing Saudi Arabia (which speaks to the case for why Crown Jewel was so bad because WWE went the opposite route). This may of course be fleeting and inadequate but the reality of politics is the way to bring about change is to engage, vote, and hopefully push things in the direction you want. While the reality of consumerism is the way to bring about change is to disengage, boycott, and hopefully cost them money. Or I guess I could just move to a commie country or something equally nonsensical.
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STAC Goat posted:Well at least the Khashoggi stuff has led a number of US politicians to at least pay lip service to opposing Saudi Arabia (which speaks to the case for why Crown Jewel was so bad because WWE went the opposite route). This may of course be fleeting and inadequate but the reality of politics is the way to bring about change is to engage, vote, and hopefully push things in the direction you want. While the reality of consumerism is the way to bring about change is to disengage, boycott, and hopefully cost them money. The real takeaway is that we need more people voting with their wallets. The stuff listed in this tournament is horrific and a lot of it has gone unanswered. It falls under things that WWE would hope you'd forget about please watch Finn Balor take off his shirt real slowly. Over the last 20 or so years, WWE has managed to skate any real accountability by mostly popping ratings and hoping people will forget about their last PR blunder. Something will have to give the more and more people stumble onto this stuff.
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Dec 18, 2018 23:00
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Something like this can theoretically only help because maybe a few people read about the ring boys scandal or think about the Goldust gimmick or rewatch the Pillman interview and that's the straw that breaks the camel's back for them and they cancel the Network. And yeah, that's the only weapon we have against WWE. Our consumerism. Cancelling the Network, not watching the shows, not spending money on tickets and merch, and encouraging people to do the same. And like, its not like there aren't things that don't interest me like NXT, the Mae Young Classic, NXT UK, Finn Balor, Becky Lynch, AJ vs Joe, or whatever. But the GRR was the straw that broke my back and told me I couldn't keep engaging and giving them my tacit support when there's something that interests me enough to forget why I'm mad.
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coconono posted:The real takeaway is that we need more people voting with their wallets. The stuff listed in this tournament is horrific and a lot of it has gone unanswered. It falls under things that WWE would hope you'd forget about please watch Finn Balor take off his shirt real slowly. Over the last 20 or so years, WWE has managed to skate any real accountability by mostly popping ratings and hoping people will forget about their last PR blunder. Something will have to give the more and more people stumble onto this stuff. Agreed. If this tourney gets one person to unsubscribe to the Network, that's a good thing.
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Dec 18, 2018 23:35
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Agreed. If this tourney gets one person to unsubscribe to the Network, that's a good thing. If it helps, I was going to resubscribe for the Rumble but after this started there is absolutely no way I’m doing that. So it’s at least prevented one resub.
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A Real Horse posted:If it helps, I was going to resubscribe for the Rumble but after this started there is absolutely no way I’m doing that. So it’s at least prevented one resub. My man. 
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He insisted that any territory that wanted him not book any other black wrestlers. I'm sorry what?
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1075228992217718784
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ChrisBTY posted:I'm sorry what? Dusty was essentially doing a "soul" gimmick, with talking jive, dancing, etc. which was common then. Basically, he got a little too into the role.
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1075230415538003968
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Dec 19, 2018 04:31
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One thing to mention about JR: they also had HHH beat him up (I think they did it twice) and bust him open hardway. I remember Bix talking about it on PWO if you need background or something, I don't remember much about the whys and wherefores (for all I know it might have been a "Vince thinks it'd be funny".) El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 04:39
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It turned out JR deserves to be bullied. unfortunately good people weren't given the chance to do so, since good people love nothing more than to bully a bad person so that they don't have to feel remorse for their hatred
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Dec 19, 2018 04:41
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Warrior Award easily though it's super fitting that Suzan G Koman partnered with them given how evil they are as charity
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Dec 19, 2018 04:57
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Agreed. If this tourney gets one person to unsubscribe to the Network, that's a good thing. I unsubbed about halfway through listening to the podcast episode. I was only vaguely aware of a lot of this stuff and not with much detail.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:Warrior Award easily though it's super fitting that Suzan G Koman partnered with them given how evil they are as charity This isn't even the Warrior Award, that's elsewhere on the bracket. This is the other, separate time of the year when they use the name of a bag of trash and 3 appearances by his widow as part of a business deal in the pretense of goodwill.
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Dec 19, 2018 05:02
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i feel like warrior is going to win this but the way vince treated his supposed friend using his company is just abhorrent. Double so if that HHH hardway stuff is true lol.
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Dec 19, 2018 05:21
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Imagine defending JR.
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Dec 19, 2018 06:00
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Based on the fact I'm finally getting quote tweets about how dumb the tournament is I will assume it has been on Read It.
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Dec 19, 2018 06:23
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One on hand: Ugh. Social Media trolls. On the other: Oh good. The signal has been boosted.
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Dec 19, 2018 06:42
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Gotta stand up for the WWE!
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Dec 19, 2018 06:44
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mkay0 posted:Imagine defending JR. mocking his disability constantly isn't cool.
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Dec 19, 2018 06:46
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mkay0 posted:Imagine defending JR. He comes off as a lousy person, but: 1) WWE is hardly in a position to pass judgment on him, morally. 2) Having a guy as big as HHH shoot work him over for an angle is repugnant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNbFGvKlLgM You can hear the shots. Jim's 53 in this clip, which means he's already had 2 of his Bell's palsy attacks. He was never an athlete, never a fighter of any kind. And a 280 lb man beats the poo poo out of him. They could have easily done something else here for heat. Oh, and this is in Oklahoma, by the way. Because WWE gets off on humiliating people in their hometowns for heat. It'll be beyond hosed up when this company pretends to care after JR passes. El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 06:58 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Dec 19, 2018 06:48
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At some point I think to ask 'where's the line between 'heat' and 'tasteless and disgusting' Not because I'm defending any of this. But because I'm wondering if the very notion of professional wrestling is irredeemably toxic.
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Dec 19, 2018 06:59
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The problem with saying Wrestling is tasteless is that it's a thing WWE wants you to believe cause it fits their mantra of them cleaning it up. And while the business has had plenty of scummy people and evil bastards it's also had territories that were run as clean, respectable promotions. St. Louis when it was run by Muchnick was presented a straight sport and ran it's TV at a luxury hotel. Same with All Japan when Baba was alive, plus you have New Japan right now.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:The problem with saying Wrestling is tasteless is that it's a thing WWE wants you to believe cause it fits their mantra of them cleaning it up. And while the business has had plenty of scummy people and evil bastards it's also had territories that were run as clean, respectable promotions. St. Louis when it was run by Muchnick was presented a straight sport and ran it's TV at a luxury hotel. Same with All Japan when Baba was alive, plus you have New Japan right now. NJPW right now is a good example of it not being inherently toxic, too.
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Dec 19, 2018 07:45
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Saying that wrestling is inherently tasteless probably also helps out their other narrative of "the LIBERAL MEDIA is always coming after us and insulting our HARD-WORKING FANS AND EMPLOYEES, stop being such LIBERAL ELITISTS and HAVE FUN drat IT". Reminds me of this other guy actually. One of Vince's mates maybe?
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Dec 19, 2018 08:32
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Roland Barthes liked wrestling so you know at least it's better than baby powder and wine
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Saying that wrestling is inherently tasteless probably also helps out their other narrative of "the LIBERAL MEDIA is always coming after us and insulting our HARD-WORKING FANS AND EMPLOYEES, stop being such LIBERAL ELITISTS and HAVE FUN drat IT". Are you talking about me? I am Vince's mate.
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Excellent counterpoints. I shall consider them.
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"Two people pretend to fight" isn't irredeemably toxic, unless you consider fake violence to be inherently toxic (and I wouldn't expect to see you on this subforum in that case). The toxic elements come from either the lovely people behind the scenes, or from the culture surrounding wrestling. Wrestling can be presented like an athletic competition, or like a family-friendly cartoon, or like a self-aware showcase for hardcore fans. Or it can be crash TV going for shock value because that's what people wanted in the 90's, or it can draw on real tragedies for "heat" because the promoters are running out of any other ideas. Mocking a disability is hosed up no matter the victim, but I have to go with "gently caress Warrior" here.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:He comes off as a lousy person, but: They fired AmDrag over less choking that HHH does in that video.
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Dec 19, 2018 11:12
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When and why did people turn on JR anyway, out of interest? I've seen strange tweets and the like from him but I thought he was still near-universally beloved by fans.
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Dec 19, 2018 13:35
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This was a no brainer for me. The cancer survivors trotted out have no clue about Warrior's history and think they are just being shown as an example of being strong, not pawns in the continuing lionization of a white nationalist who mocked cancer victims. The treatment of JR is pretty repugnant but he's also left the company multiple times to instantly find work elsewhere and always returns with great affection in his voice (no, shut up before you even say anything, Hako), so it's his own call if he wants to be degraded for his friend's enjoyment.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:When and why did people turn on JR anyway, out of interest? I've seen strange tweets and the like from him but I thought he was still near-universally beloved by fans. The creepy tweets and him burying NJPW on air happened around the same time and seemed to be the turning point in the discourse.
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Dec 19, 2018 14:13
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He got old, his wife died, and he became a broken man out of his time. I have sympathy for him but I would be happy if he never worked again and just retired to take care of himself.
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Dec 19, 2018 14:29
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it's an open secret that JR is into some dark stuff, he gets off on being humiliated and injured and treated like crap. it's why his wife refused to ever wear a helmet when she went riding her moped, because she knew it worried him (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Hedgehog Pie posted:When and why did people turn on JR anyway, out of interest? I've seen strange tweets and the like from him but I thought he was still near-universally beloved by fans. His podcast
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