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Premium Samsung Galaxy S10 expected to feature 12GB of RAM and 5G: report https://mobilesyrup.com/2018/12/18/premium-samsung-galaxy-feature-12gb-ram-report/ Can't wait for this to still perform slower/laggier than the Pixel 3 despite having 3x as much RAM.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Premium Samsung Galaxy S10 expected to feature 12GB of RAM and 5G: report Samsung please stop using all the RAM I beg of you, I just want a few more gigs for my PC 😭
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Dec 18, 2018 23:13
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5G is so stupid. It's going to be a hilarious disaster.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Premium Samsung Galaxy S10 expected to feature 12GB of RAM and 5G: report You forgot the likely $1500 price tag. No joke, 5G is looking like a $300-$400 price premium on hardware across the board. Skip 5g next year and likely the year after that
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FistEnergy posted:5G is so stupid. It's going to be a hilarious disaster. Can you give a rundown for those of us out of the loop?
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What can you do on a 5G S10 that your can't do on 4G S9 that's worth a $300-$400 device hardware premium? I mean, poo poo. I already routinely get faster data speeds on my phone than I do with my FiOS connection at home. If 100mbps is enough to serve my household, why do I need more on my phone? 5G will eventually save carriers cost by making more efficient use of spectrum and they'll be sure to pass the inverse of that savings on to you with a nice 5g premium.
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bull3964 posted:What can you do on a 5G S10 that your can't do on 4G S9 that's worth a $300-$400 device hardware premium? downloading a 1080 movie to watch on my cellphone before a flight in 15 seconds is going to be a pretty cool thing.
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Yes burning through my entire month of data in 15 seconds sounds great, sign me up for a $1600 phone and higher cost plan
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Yeah I don't see the point of 5G while we have data caps like we do (in Canada).
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Vykk.Draygo posted:Can you give a rundown for those of us out of the loop? last I heard it was mostly a buzzword but there was some discussion between two scrubs here, some of which involved cancer also i work at the cell phone factory so lol everyone is idiots
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I like that ISPs and phone carriers are bragging about these insane speeds while still pretending that there's a limited number of bits in the world, so they have to ration them.
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CLAM DOWN posted:Premium Samsung Galaxy S10 expected to feature 12GB of RAM and 5G: report I could be wrong but I seemed to notice that market-specific models are being made for the China with extra memory? Like maybe it's a status symbol thing? Also is 60ghz spectrum really going to be practical?
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I've replaced my S8+ with a Note 9 and wireless charging is incredibly slow. Last night I had it on the pad for six or seven hours and it went from 10% to 85%. I'm using an older Samsung Fast Charge Stand which worked great with my S8+, and the Note is in a Spigen Neo Hybrid case which is exactly what I had on the old phone. I've tried setting it both vertically and horizontally with the same results. Right now I'm testing it without the case but I'm very happy with that case so I still need to find a solution. What else should I try to troubleshoot this before I look at getting a new charge pad?
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Dec 19, 2018 01:23
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Charles posted:I could be wrong but I seemed to notice that market-specific models are being made for the China with extra memory? Like maybe it's a status symbol thing? Probably, since the Lenovo 12GB SD855 Z5pro GT was announced today. I don't know why Samsung still bother to go arm race with the China phones, since their market share in China has dropped to 1% and dropping. BTW that giant punch hole in the S10+ is really ugly.
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Vykk.Draygo posted:Can you give a rundown for those of us out of the loop? https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/12/dont-buy-a-5g-smartphone-at-least-not-for-a-while/ Remember the first Android 4G phones that were terrible and got like 2 hours of battery life?
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Charles posted:Also is 60ghz spectrum really going to be practical? I mean I'm not a telecommunications radio engineer but it sure would seem that building penetration would be an issue. One would have to assume that someone has thought of this and it won't be a problem but it sure goes against conventional wisdom.
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LastInLine posted:I mean I'm not a telecommunications radio engineer but it sure would seem that building penetration would be an issue. One would have to assume that someone has thought of this and it won't be a problem but it sure goes against conventional wisdom. Probably gets handled the same way 4G signal issues get solved: fall back to 2G/3G until you install a little repeater wherever you have enough complaints. My concern about 5G is that it's going to chug battery because the tech is new and unoptimized, and probably on a separate chip instead of integrated into the SoC. It'll be like the early days of WiFi all over again.
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For the folks wondering about whether S7 to P3/P3XL is enough of an upgrade, I just upgraded from an S7 to a P3XL two weeks ago and it was a huge quality of life improvement. It's so nice just to open Maps and it not to freeze my phone for 15-30 seconds and scrolling is so smooth. Also the battery lasts all day. It's also refreshing to get home after a 12 hour day and be at 35% rather than having to charge my S7 every 5-6 hours. I think the technical specs may not seem like a huge improvement, but my S7 had so much stupid uninstallable crapware and boneheaded Samsung UI junk loaded on there that slowed it down considerably.
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Here is how to get around the whole 5G being a battery sucker thing: don't buy into the hype, buy whatever the equivalent Thunderbolt is going to be, and wait like a year.
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Charles posted:I could be wrong but I seemed to notice that market-specific models are being made for the China with extra memory? Like maybe it's a status symbol thing? 60GHz specifically is absorbed by O2 molecules, so it has a very short range. In home router environments, that basically means one room's worth of coverage per base station. The benefit is that you can repeat the same chunk of bandwidth a lot more often because the chance of interference is lower.
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The Dark One posted:60GHz specifically is absorbed by O2 molecules, so it has a very short range. In home router environments, that basically means one room's worth of coverage per base station. The benefit is that you can repeat the same chunk of bandwidth a lot more often because the chance of interference is lower. I didn't know this so I read up on it, it's actually really neat last mile solution.
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bull3964 posted:You forgot the likely $1500 price tag. But I need to hit my data cap 50% faster!
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mango sentinel posted:But I need to hit my data cap 50% faster! Not to worry! You won't be having that concern unless you live in one of the few blessed cities (Waco, really?) that are "getting" 5G soon, and even then it'll only be a motley patchwork of service. Millimeter-wave spectrum has long been avoided precisely because its physical characteristics make it a pain in the rear end to deal with. The number of nodes they're going to need to provide anything close to complete coverage of a city is enormous compared to 4G, let alone 3G. I would speculate that it'll easily be 5+ years before you can spend most of your time on 5G instead of 4G in many cities, and it will never come to a lot of rural areas at all--the coverage footprint is just too small.
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Why not spend the time and money maximising 4G speeds and coverage as others have said? Seems like an awful lot of work for little benefit to few people to push 5G. If maximum 4G speeds were reached, you're getting diminishing returns from 5G surely?
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Why not spend the time and money maximising 4G speeds and coverage as others have said? Seems like an awful lot of work for little benefit to few people to push 5G. If maximum 4G speeds were reached, you're getting diminishing returns from 5G surely? Because 5 is one bigger.
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I need 5G to quickly archive the pics my 10 cameras take.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Why not spend the time and money maximising 4G speeds and coverage as others have said? Seems like an awful lot of work for little benefit to few people to push 5G. If maximum 4G speeds were reached, you're getting diminishing returns from 5G surely? 5G enables much more efficient use of available wireless spectrum than 4G is. If you maximize 4G speed and coverage, then there's still going to be slowdown on congested towers in crowded urban areas just because of the limited amount of available spectrum. 5G will let the wireless carriers service more devices more cheaply, and in the long run will let us scale up to way, way more things with wireless modems in a given area.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Why not spend the time and money maximising 4G speeds and coverage as others have said? Seems like an awful lot of work for little benefit to few people to push 5G. If maximum 4G speeds were reached, you're getting diminishing returns from 5G surely? Spectrum congestion, mostly. There's very limited space in the 4G spectrum that isn't already owned by someone, so if you're a telecom and you want to expand, you're basically SOL. There's some further work they can do with 4G, but there are practical limits to what can be achieved: you can only pack so much data into the physical limits of a given frequency. The coverage thing is also a double edged sword: wide coverage means that you only have to install a few nodes to cover a wide space, but it also means that you're now covering a wider space with a fixed amount of bandwidth. For example, say that (to pick arbitrary numbers), a 4G node covers 10sq miles at a capacity of 500mbps, and that in those 10sq miles there are 1000 phones. That means that if everyone is trying to use their phone at the same time, they'd each get 0.5mbps. A 5G node might only cover 1sq mile at a capacity of 1000mbps, and in that 1sq mile are 100 phones. They'd they all get 10mbps--20x what they'd get under 4G. Now, that's obviously a contrived scenario, since a large part of the telecom network only functions on the assumption that not everyone is using their poo poo at the same time, and so on, but you get the idea: more smaller nodes means more total bandwidth available to divvy out to users, since the bottleneck is the wireless transmission, not the back-end haul from the node to wherever it's going.
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DrDork posted:Not to worry! You won't be having that concern unless you live in one of the few blessed cities (Waco, really?) that are "getting" 5G soon, and even then it'll only be a motley patchwork of service. Millimeter-wave spectrum has long been avoided precisely because its physical characteristics make it a pain in the rear end to deal with. The number of nodes they're going to need to provide anything close to complete coverage of a city is enormous compared to 4G, let alone 3G. I would speculate that it'll easily be 5+ years before you can spend most of your time on 5G instead of 4G in many cities, and it will never come to a lot of rural areas at all--the coverage footprint is just too small. Don't forget the coverage will promptly evaporate as soon as you move indoors. 5g is important and should be deployed. However, EVERYONE involved is looking at it as a growth center to satisfy shareholders and pricing accordingly.
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For so many reasons I doubt anyone will be using 5G in Canada for a very long time.
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We're very loving fortunate not to be bound to CDMA, using icicles as styluses on our phones
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codo27 posted:We're very loving fortunate not to be bound to CDMA, using icicles as styluses on our phones Hilarious, but we do have modern cell tech, it's just anything faster is worthless because of our data caps 
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You get data caps or coverage, in Canada. Pick one.
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Zigmidge posted:You get data caps or coverage, in Canada. Pick one. Uh, what do you mean? Are you saying places with coverage don't have data caps? Wha?
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Zigmidge posted:You get data caps or coverage, in Canada. Pick one. So, I take the coverage and don't have data caps? 
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CLAM DOWN posted:Hilarious, but we do have modern cell tech, it's just anything faster is worthless because of our data caps Thanks for the 5G input ^ What's the story with the high expense of mobile data in Canada? I'm in God's country  and in recent years the amount of data we can get without breaking the bank is pretty decent.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Thanks for the 5G input ^ It's a combination of factors, from our monopolistic oligarchy of telecoms to an extremely large country with extremely low population density making building infrastructure much more expensive to build. GB has a population density of 272 people per sq km, Canada is <4.
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5G is going to enable self driving cars and a bunch of stuff talk to each other. It's also going to be a big battleground between Western and Eastern networking companies, for both profit and global influence.
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