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I mean, if she'd just slugged him, it would be pretty reasonable, and if she's fine with rezzing him, it shakes out the same. On the other hand, she's attempted to murder her husband for no good reason, ruined her family financially, and has generally earned her CE alignment. In conclusion, Hilgya is a dwarf of contrasts.
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Dias posted:Also he literally gets murdered for it. Don't play Loki girls.
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Capfalcon posted:I mean, if she'd just slugged him, it would be pretty reasonable, and if she's fine with rezzing him, it shakes out the same. It is funny how people forget that Hilgya is a Literally Crazy person who regularly reconstructs events into a weird caricature of themselves in her head to make her objectively Chaotic Evil actions justified after the fact  I mean, Durkon could have gotten stuck in the weeds contesting her literally factually inaccurate accounting of events. Going straight to the apology was Good and Cool. Where he fucks up and goes off the board is when he goes "ah, yes, traditional definitions of marriage are what this severely damaged lady needs".
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Did anyone else notice that when Kudzu is reaching for Durkon, she bats his hand away? 
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TheAceOfLungs posted:Did anyone else notice that when Kudzu is reaching for Durkon, she bats his hand away? Yeah, and then Kudzu is all  . I love the little details in this strip.
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I notice she got the distress parentheses around her eyes when he switched from talking about supporting his son to being with her
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I mean, the fact that he's not permanently dead massively changes the tone of the scene which would otherwise be straight up murder. Yeah, no poo poo, Hilgya is lovely, but Durkon gooned the gently caress up there in an entirely predictable and cringy manner and got burned. It was a disaster, but it wasn't a random disaster.
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my dad posted:I mean, the fact that he's not permanently dead massively changes the tone of the scene which would otherwise be straight up murder. Yeah, no poo poo, Hilgya is lovely, but Durkon gooned the gently caress up there in an entirely predictable and cringy manner and got burned. What is the punishment for murder in a world with raise dead?
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ikanreed posted:What is the punishment for murder in a world with raise dead? The most terrible cost of all... a caster level.
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Capfalcon posted:I mean, if she'd just slugged him, it would be pretty reasonable, and if she's fine with rezzing him, it shakes out the same. Captain Oblivious posted:It is funny how people forget that Hilgya is a Literally Crazy person who regularly reconstructs events into a weird caricature of themselves in her head to make her objectively Chaotic Evil actions justified after the fact  incoming:I said this before, but in retrospect her reaction to her husband originally was... Not good, obviously, but there was actually a certain amount of logic there. As we've seen, she was literally forced into the marriage at crossbow point (and also, according to her, chained and locked up at some point or another), with members of her clan visibly pointing crossbows at her during the wedding, and while that was going on her husband was exclaiming that it was the happiest day of his life. Her life after that consisted of her apparent jailer offering her nice things, yet she still wasn't, you know, allowed to leave by her family and such, when the one thing she wanted was freedom and to not be forced into a loveless marriage and all.  Given her life story prior, it kind of makes sense that she thought he was tormenting her; he somehow was completely oblivious to her desires and feelings, thus reacting to them completely nonsensically, and from her perspective it came across as malice because he was going along with and benefiting from her clan's cruelty, and, well, who could be that stupid? He could, it turns out.  Humor aside, this moment is also important because it shows Hilgya being able to accept that she was wrong and such, when prior to this it seemed like she just reworks everything in her mind until she's completely blameless and refuses to engage with reality if it's inconvenient. Upon getting proof that, no, Ivan really is that dumb, she accepted that instead of trying to keep him fixed as the villain. And then went to go gently caress up her family, but honestly they deserved it. So, bringing this back to the current strip and how it's relevant to what's going on now, in light of her backstory and such Hilgya's reaction to her encounter with Durkon is, while obviously not good or correct, understandable. She's been abused and imprisoned, metaphorically and possibly literally given what we've seen and heard of her family, nearly her whole life, and has been trying to get away from it. Except, remember her talk about honor and Hel and such, as well as the comic's past things with how the characters have objective knowledge of the afterlife system and such; she knows that fleeing her family, abandoning her marriage, and all that other stuff is "dishonorable", meaning that trying to escape the injustices she's endured would condemn her to an eternity of suffering. Which seems like the sort of thing that would get to someone, I think. Then she met Durkon, and, after they seemingly had a genuine connection and she got closer to him than she likely had with anyone before that, he started lecturing her and told her to go back to everything she had tried so hard to get away from. Obviously he didn't know the specifics of the situation, but she actually got the overall point across accurately apart from then still thinking her husband was evil rather than an idiot, as well as honestly baring her feelings to him, and he dismissed all that and told her to go away. Literally, explicitly, saying that it doesn't matter if she was miserable or if she loved him, go away. And he got her pregnant, it turns out. So... Yeah. This isn't to say that Hilgya's right about what kind of person Durkon is (though he was actually in the wrong in this particular instance, which he admits in the current strip), or even that she's not at least a little bit crazy or evil or anything, but given her experiences and available knowledge and stuff, her perspective is actually almost completely reasonable. She hasn't seen everything of Durkon that we have; she just adventured with him briefly, got really close, bared her soul to him, and got told to gently caress off pretty much immediately after they finished having sex. And has had a lot of time to fume and obsess over it since then. Really, he's lucky that she was willing to raise him at all; it's not like the Order could have forced her to revive him instead of just leaving, if she was willing to fight it out. Also her clan is really, really awful, and I find it hard to feel too sorry for them. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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The Question IRL posted:Resurrection restores you to Full Hit Points when it brings you back.
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My pennies are on "I promised Loki I'd kill Durkon, there were no stipulations for afterwards ". Or it was a joke
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Durkon made a mistake and overcorrected, as is his wont, and Hilgya made a promise and technically kept it, as is hers. E: Speaking of technically keeping promises, shouldn't Shojo be chilling somewhere in Valhalla as well, or do Chaotic Good non-northerners/dwarfs get a different hang in Ysgard? Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Man I'd be pissed if I lost a level over that. That said, I'd also know better than to propose to a lady that had been monologing about murdering me.
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It's been a real learning experience for Durkon.
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Eifert Posting posted:That said, I'd also know better than to propose to a lady that had been monologing about murdering me.
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Wouldn’t surprise me if this was also Rich’s way of side-stepping around grognards wondering why Durkon isn’t casting spells from the levels he probably got during his High Priest of Hel phase.
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Regalingualius posted:Wouldn’t surprise me if this was also Rich’s way of side-stepping around grognards wondering why Durkon isn’t casting spells from the levels he probably got during his High Priest of Hel phase. Nah, vampire template is a ridiculous level adjustment. He was basically an epic character while vamped and was getting minimal xp. I think there was even a comic to that effect.
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fool_of_sound posted:Nah, vampire template is a ridiculous level adjustment. He was basically an epic character while vamped and was getting minimal xp. I think there was even a comic to that effect. Level adjustment doesn't grant any of the benefits of the extra levels; just the downsides (reduced XP gain, etc.)
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Level adjustment doesn't grant any of the benefits of the extra levels; just the downsides (reduced XP gain, etc.) Yes, that was my point. He was considered like 6 levels higher or something for XP.
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folks lets also keep in mind that it's not appropriate to propose to people in public, since it adds pressure to the recipient to accept so as not to cause a scene. durkon hosed up big timeZulily Zoetrope posted:Durkon made a mistake and overcorrected, as is his wont, and Hilgya made a promise and technically kept it, as is hers. as per my favorite belkar line, he's currently smoking cigars rolled from poorly-worded legal documents
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fool_of_sound posted:Nah, vampire template is a ridiculous level adjustment. He was basically an epic character while vamped and was getting minimal xp. I think there was even a comic to that effect. There was, back when V was soul spliced the directors mentioned they wouldn't get any XP because their effective level was insanely high.
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More recently, after their adventure in Kraagor's tomb Xykon commented on how he actually got XP and how rare that is for him nowadays, too.
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Venuz Patrol posted:folks lets also keep in mind that it's not appropriate to propose to people in public, since it adds pressure to the recipient to accept so as not to cause a scene. durkon hosed up big time Durkon didn't have time to realize that it was public, on the other hand a proposal between two clerics of opposing gods will always be witnessed by two outsiders, oh wait is it one insider one outsider 
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Durkon made a mistake and overcorrected, as is his wont, and Hilgya made a promise and technically kept it, as is hers. They hang out with their gods in the appropriate afterlife/demi-plane/whatever. Shojo's is different from Durkon's.
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ConfusedUs posted:They hang out with their gods in the appropriate afterlife/demi-plane/whatever. Shojo's is different from Durkon's. There were azurites at celestia when Roy was dead though.
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Roy went to lawful heaven, Shojo is in chaotic heaven.
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ConfusedUs posted:They hang out with their gods in the appropriate afterlife/demi-plane/whatever. Shojo's is different from Durkon's. reignonyourparade posted:There were azurites at celestia when Roy was dead though. Celestia is the Lawful Good afterlife, Arborea is the Chaotic Good afterlife. Ysgard is the afterlife between Chaotic Good and Chaotic Neutral. Or in the comic's terms: Roy and the Azurites all went to the top left corner, Shojo presumably went to the top right corner, and Durkon and Minrah went to the one right under the top right corner. Of course, Shojo might have ended up somewhere else, depending on where the Twelve Gods' realms are. Like how honorably dead dwarves go to Ysgard and dishonored souls go to Hel, regardless of alignment. But anyway, he's probably not in Ysgard, is the point. Roland Jones posted:
This was a really good post by the way, thanks for making it. (I kept trying to write something similar, and just getting depressed thinking about the analogous situation in real life.)
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I thought dwarves had their own special afterlife arrangements, irrespective of their religion. Durkon wouldn't meet Shojo or Roy's family or whoever because they aren't dwarves.
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Yeah, but Valhalla is in Ysgard, which is one of the standard D&D afterlives, same as Roy going to Celestia when he was dead. The question was whether anyone else who goes to Ysgard would also go to Valhalla, or if they'd end up somewhere else on the plane. It's moot with regards to Shojo, because as someone pointed out, he's probably living it up in Arborea, rather than Ysgard.
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Found this on Reddit and I'm ashamed I genuinely chuckled.
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Robviously posted:Found this on Reddit and I'm ashamed I genuinely chuckled.
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I dunno. Taken in a vacuum, Varsuvius vs Black Dragon had a pretty definite winner.
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I mean, I've occasionally seem people claim "ability to make friends" as a legit power to bump your standing in the power rankings, so the question is whether "ability to appeal to higher powers as a useful pawn" should also count.
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Rand Brittain posted:I mean, I've occasionally seem people claim "ability to make friends" as a legit power to bump your standing in the power rankings, so the question is whether "ability to appeal to higher powers as a useful pawn" should also count. That's the best power in game of thrones
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ikanreed posted:That's the best power in game of thrones Remind me what the Game of Thrones power rankings are?
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Rand Brittain posted:Remind me what the Game of Thrones power rankings are? Anyone who isn't dead yet is S tier.
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I hope rich is having an OK holiday
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