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avshalemon posted:we also need to start condemning ocean cruises. they are disgusting. enforcing emission standards on air and sea travel/transport would be amazing and also immediately make the world economy disintegrate. boats burn the dirtiest goddamn fuel we have and are basically coal power plants. it's one of the reasons i really want companies like aeroscraft to get huge government grants so they can actually finish their cargo ship designs for airships and we can see if this poo poo is viable or not. having a blimp that can transport 500 tons would be pretty great. Admiral Ray fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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This is so well put: Climate-change deniers are a danger to our security Imagine during the Cold War that one political party, in the face of overwhelming evidence that the Soviet Union was engaged in espionage against the United States, had a nuclear arsenal pointed at the United States, kept Eastern Europe under its thumb and imprisoned dissenters, refused to consider the Soviet Union a danger — of any sort — to the United States or other Western democracies. And they would offer no credible evidence to the contrary, but rather assert that it was all a hoax. ... That is essentially what is going on, only with the parties flipped, in the climate-change debate. Climate-change denial has become as necessary to one’s right-wing identity as aversion to immigration, opposition to most abortions and a disbelief that sexual harassment and assault are widespread. Just as rejecting geopolitical reality became a requirement of inclusion in far-left circles, climate-change denial is a must for those who want to remain in the Trump fold. More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/18/climate-change-deniers-are-danger-our-security/
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I don’t know. My own experience is that there is a fairly significant emotional landscape associated with coming to accept our current condition as it is. Efforts to then align one’s own actions with that acceptance can be very upsetting to those around you and that also has to be navigated. For people who have conflated things like ability to consume with freedom, for example, they must go through a pretty severe identity crisis in order to make even small efforts at correlating their lives with our current condition. If you prioritize something else and change your life accordingly it is often outright offensive to people, especially those closest to you. They often feel betrayed, angry, etc. because it makes absolutely no sense to them why you might be trying to live this way. Carbon offset, while a good thing, is for me is a type of bargaining in that process of identity shift. It’s basically along the lines of believing that market or technological miracles will eliminate the negative consequences of the global activity producing climate effect, while still allowing (the tiny minority of) us to maintain the "way of life" ideologies producing those very effects. It’s progress of a sort since it isn’t simply the objectification and blaming of some other for the current condition.
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VideoGameVet posted:This is so well put: 1.) that party during the cold war would have been right 2.) "both sides"ism of saying the left rejects "reality" is just being conservative/right-wing rear end in a top hat. you may not feel thats who you are, but its who you're being when you do that. 3.) they somehow manage to get" that it's a totally irrational decision based around tribal identity and yet then also somehow conclude that a logical framing hack will defeat that and cause them to ... become rational? that whole loving take is like is like a triple reverse axel stunt move of stupid ideology StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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here is the only part of that post that mattersquote:“overall, 66 percent of Americans now say they’ve seen enough evidence to justify action, up from 51 percent two decades ago.” The results tell us that “85 percent of Democrats, 79 percent of independents, 71 percent of women, 61 percent of men and strong majorities of all racial groups. At least 55 percent agree on the need for action in all regions of the country, and at all age, education and income levels.”
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StabbinHobo posted:what the fuuuuuuuuuuck man, this post has like 3 - 5 layers of stupid reactionary horseshit buried in it I can't even figure out where to start. I don't think that was the purpose of the piece. It was saying "Imagine Republican if someone had said this about the Soviets during the cold war." It's not saying that anyone on the left (ok maybe Gus Hall) said that about the Soviets. Personally, we were better off with the Soviets around. Even with the "duck and cover" stuff.
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 you are welcome in my house, friend. sit at my m&m container. eat of my fig leaf. we are all butterflies here
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avshalemon posted:
sorry about ur plant fam
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avshalemon posted:
That is a CO2 worm and it is actively destroying the greenery necessary to keep our atmosphere pure and healthy.
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avshalemon posted:we also need to start condemning ocean cruises. they are disgusting. Admiral Ray posted:enforcing emission standards on air and sea travel/transport would be amazing and also immediately make the world economy disintegrate. boats burn the dirtiest goddamn fuel we have and are basically coal power plants. About that, in 2020 IMO (international maritime organization, part of the UN, a body created by the SOLAS treaty) whole bunch of HSFO is going away. Here's McKinsey on what that's going to do to marine fuel markets https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/imo-2020-and-the-outlook-for-marine-fuels TLDR is HSFO is going away. Admiral Ray posted:it's one of the reasons i really want companies like aeroscraft to get huge government grants so they can actually finish their cargo ship designs for airships and we can see if this poo poo is viable or not. having a blimp that can transport 500 tons would be pretty great. It's not. A panamax bulker might have 76,000 MT (metric tons) of whatever on board. While marine mode is poo poo for things like sulfer, particulates and NOx, it's by far the most fuel efficient in terms of energy needed to move MT per mile, like it's not even close.
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BrandorKP posted:About that, in 2020 IMO (international maritime organization, part of the UN, a body created by the SOLAS treaty) whole bunch of HSFO is going away. Here's McKinsey on what that's going to do to marine fuel markets I don't know if I've said so but I like your boatposting.
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when the tankers are actually under power at their "normal" cruising speed, how many kW (MW?) are the screws turning at?
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StabbinHobo posted:when the tankers are actually under power at their "normal" cruising speed, how many kW (MW?) are the screws turning at? It depends on the type of ship. Bulk carriers will be on the slower side 10 to 15 knots. Container ships could be anything between 15 and 25 knots. A hypothetical premium service might aim for 30. A big containership like the Emma Maersk is 81 MW (109,000 hp). A big slow slow speed diesel might have cylinders a small car might fit in. Basically think of a ships power plant as a shoreside power plant. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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ChairMaster posted:... No it isn't. As far as power generation goes there are only two political objectives that need to be achieved: 1. Ceasing operation of existing carbon intensive energy infrastructure. 2. Ensuring that any new capacity added is renewable. The most effective way to do this is by discouraging investment in new carbon intensive infrastructure, since that's easier than making renewables cheaper and they are already very cost effective. Any substantial achievement of #1 obviously helps #2 so really there is only one political objective.
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how can i generate energy from cow poo poo
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incredible flesh posted:how can i generate energy from cow poo poo put it in a bioreactor and turn it into methane. you'll rule Bartertown in no time. it's pretty low tech to set up and you can use it just like natural gas. cook with cow farts
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Arctic permafrost might contain 'sleeping giant' of world's carbon emissionsquote:The researchers have been comparing the temperatures of permafrost on land and underwater. About 10,000 years ago, the temperature of both permafrost types was about -18˚C. They found that permafrost on the ground has now warmed up to about -10˚C but under the sea it has reached 0˚C. "That was surprising," Prof. Gustafsson said. "I had no idea that subsea permafrost was thawing so quickly." Faster. Than. EXPECTED.
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Rime posted:Arctic permafrost might contain 'sleeping giant' of world's carbon emissions 
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Rime posted:Arctic permafrost might contain 'sleeping giant' of world's carbon emissions 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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I bought an electric car and it arrived today. Hooray! Now to just convince my state to not get its electricity from natural gas.
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Polio Vax Scene posted:I bought an electric car and it arrived today. Hooray! Better than coal at least
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now here's some of that quality direct action we can't talk too much about https://news.sky.com/story/chaos-at-gatwick-after-drone-sightings-force-runway-closure-11586557 some jerk (hero) with a drone is shutting down a whole airport.
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StabbinHobo posted:now here's some of that quality direct action we can't talk too much about If you want more info check the UK Megathread, it's all that's been talked about all day. Apparently the IT system has gone offline too & they are resorting to paperwork lol If whoever has pulled this off gets caught they going to get nailed...
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Rime posted:Arctic permafrost might contain 'sleeping giant' of world's carbon emissions that article is a wild ride. the future is gonna be full of so many opportunities!
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I've always wondered whether container ships are an application where fuel cells might actually be practical, as building the dedicated fueling infrastructure is presumably less of a problem than for personal autos. No real idea if it's ever likely to be workable, but here's an interesting article on the subject:quote:The Struggle to Make Diesel-Guzzling Cargo Ships Greener Or we could just buy less stuff.
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Admiral Ray posted:that article is a wild ride. Wait until that warms the place up for the real kick in the balls that's coming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clathrate_gun_hypothesis I remember reading articles saying the 'gun' will never go off because the warming won't get that bad... 
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Nocturtle posted:Or we could just buy less stuff. Impossible, because capitalism/consumerism. 
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Risks of 'domino effect' of tipping points greater than thought, study says
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I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. Someone please tell me this is even too far down the rabbit hole for our worst leaders and that I must be starting to suffer some legit mental illness here.
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Man, to think a single drone could shut down an entire airport for 24 hours. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/london-gatwick-airport-completely-shut-drone-sightings-181220021754308.html I'm not saying it's an eco-terrorist act...but....y'know.
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DrNutt posted:I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. Kissinger openly stated this. It is and has been the plan for a half century or more. Operation Endgame proceeds apace.
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DrNutt posted:I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. Seems pretty accurate to me.
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DrNutt posted:I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. As comforting as it is to think that there's some kind of grand plan, that forces beyond your control are imposing a kind of order onto this chaotic universe, the truth is that nobody has a loving clue. That is not to say that there aren't plans - wealthy elites and governments feed large sums into independent researchers, think tanks, and strategic focus groups in order work out how to best prepare against threats to their interests, but the scope of the problem means the effectiveness of all these efforts is not far removed from that of a haruspex examining a freshly slain lamb's liver.
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DrNutt posted:I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. Mate... I hate to break it you but whether by design or by accident that is pretty much what is going on & it's been happening for ages, it's going to get a lot worse over the next couple decades. Peace out & all that lol
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DrNutt posted:I had a pretty terrifying realization this morning that Conservatives do have a plan for dealing with Climate Change, it's just that said plan is them enabling tin pot dictators and strong men all over the world to commit genocide against climate refugees, ethnic minorities, and other impoverished and at risk populations. They are straight up calculating that their best chance for elites to survive Climate Change is to wipe out all but a few loyal poors and ride it out, hoping that a drastically reduced developing population is enough to buy them a few hundred more years of lovely management. Their only plan is to make money. Or I suppose I should say that in the general class sense of the wealthy, I'm not sure what your definition of "Conservatives" is but their plan is the same regardless of political label. Individuals like Gates are interested in research into possible technological mitigating solutions though. TheNakedFantastic fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Dec 20, 2018 |
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TheNakedFantastic posted:Individuals like Gates are interested in research into possible technological mitigating solutions though. 
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Trainee PornStar posted:Mate... I hate to break it you but whether by design or by accident that is pretty much what is going on & it's been happening for ages, it's going to get a lot worse over the next couple decades. Working with dictators? Sure. Climate change and climate induced mass migration are new phenomenon though and if their plan beforehand has been to wipe out the poor third world underclass then uh they've been doing a really bad job.
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Nocturtle posted:Or we could just buy less stuff. It's all stuff. Basically everything has part of it transported in the marine mode for some portion of its supply chain.
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