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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Federal crime doesn't mean "super serious crime" it means a crime which violates a federal law or falls under the purview of the powers the federal government relegates to itself, which mostly have to do with interstate commerce. Murder, for instance, can be a federal crime, but usually isn't; when it is, it's because the murder was of a federal or court official, or involved the drug trade, or because the suspects crossed state lines, or met some other special criteria. Can't wait until SCOTUS strikes down the law in a 5-4 decision. It's worth it for the symbolism of Trump having to sign it into law though. Does the law reclassify lynching as terrorism? Because it should.
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cheetah7071 posted:What practical effect does prolonged daily dips in the stock market actually have? Obviously people retiring now or soon will see a negative impact, but other than that, until you get to a panicked freefall does it really matter for anything but the amount of theoretical money rich people pretend they have? dow is mostly not down very much, people in this thread just wanna hype up a huge recession as a win because trump has hyped up the economy doing okay as a win for him. 
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DaveWoo posted:Why, what has he done now he will never understand that a primary goal of reactionaries and fascists is to destroy free media and therefore believes it is important to protect the speech of reactionaries and fascists he is a dumb privileged man
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Dec 19, 2018 22:32
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he is just doing it because he is hoping it makes him look good some how. Der Waffle Mous posted:He's real mad people want to boycott noted white nationalist Tucker Carlson. for as big as a lefty that he is, why the gently caress does he defend nazis/facists so much? is it just he has gone full weird tankie. like i get not liking the US intelligence types and thinking they are awful and putting full faith in them, thats reasonable but lol, this dude takes it way to stupid.
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https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1075503447078776847 Well. Oiled. Machine. Der Waffle Mous posted:He's real mad people want to boycott noted white nationalist Tucker Carlson. He's defending Tucker? Jesus.
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drat I 100% admit that I fell for the meme that Hillary's demonic possession thing was crypto-racist pandering in response to Naruto. Turns out I am as much of a credulous gull as anyone else https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1075495082126651399
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Der Waffle Mous posted:He's real mad people want to boycott noted white nationalist Tucker Carlson. For further context: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1075422045842915328 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1075424765794500608 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1075481340227842048 Just your average very online kinda day.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:dow is mostly not down very much, people in this thread just wanna hype up a huge recession as a win because trump has hyped up the economy doing okay as a win for him. It's actually a problem because the Fed never rose interest rates during the "good years" and so now we have no leverage to get the economy started back up if it starts to falter.
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/attackerman/status/1075500573036814336 He is moonlighting as Carlson personal spokesmen on twitter. The amount of apologia he is spouting in his defense is insane. He is criticizing the companies for boycotting his show for his remarks.
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I mean to be fair Trump removing troops from Syria is 100% a correct choice and he should absolutely ignore the legion of ghouls slamming their clipboards on the table chanting "DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH"
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Dec 19, 2018 22:34
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InsertPotPun posted:You're in the wrong place, bub. This is not a place for learning no matter how many posters try to hold themselves up as "activists". It's easier to shut you down and score easy points by mocking you rather than educate. yeah pretty much. i've stopped trying to explain anything from what i know due to my work experience because it results in people furiously screaming at you for having the gall to counter their assertions with data/experience and smugposting about being a *insert whatever the new favorite bad label is*. there's a reason this thread (and most us politics threads) are rated horribly
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:dow is mostly not down very much, people in this thread just wanna hype up a huge recession as a win because trump has hyped up the economy doing okay as a win for him. Also because, 1. The stock market is not the economy, and everyone who thinks it is is toxic to the actual economy, and, 2. Trump is clearly spooked whenever it dips even a little, regardless of promises.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:has gone full weird tankie. This seems like it to me. Tankie plus narc
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Failed Imagineer posted:drat I 100% admit that I fell for the meme that Hillary's hotsauce thing was crypto-racist pandering in response to Beyonce. Turns out I am as much of a credulous gull as anyone else. I think it's pretty lovely that even when a person tries to share their genuine self, they get mocked/ridiculed and accused of being disingenuous for personal gain. Clinton isn't perfect but holy poo poo has there ever been a more unfairly reviled American politician? (Jimmy Carter sure, but Clinton isn't far behind)
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Sweetgrass posted:For further context: lol god dammit Glenn you fuckin' idiot, read a loving history book about the Civil Rights Movement.
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glenn greenwald, held at gunpoint by a Bolsanaro death squad: "it's important that these folks be allowed to express their views on LGBTQ folks *is summarily executed*"
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Unzip and Attack posted:I think it's pretty lovely that even when a person tries to share their genuine self, they get mocked/ridiculed and accused of being disingenuous for personal gain. Clinton isn't perfect but holy poo poo has there ever been a more unfairly reviled American politician? (Jimmy Carter sure, but Clinton isn't far behind) yes how could anyone assume clinton would shamelessly pander to black people to try to deflect from her deeply racist history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGDm4jkDbGQ
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:I think his point is that laws against murder and also hate crimes laws already cover lynching (lynching a black person because of their races would be murder and a hate crime). Why also include lynching as an independent crime? Did I miss something where the poster argued against hate crimes in general? It depends. There is a federal statute for bank robbery - 18 U.S. Code § 2113 - Bank robbery and incidental crimes. Some states, like Texas, just classify it as robbery. You can see the difference in how some states handle laws when looking at how simply the Texas statute on Robbery is compared to the federal bank robbery statute EwokEntourage fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Dec 19, 2018 |
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Lightning Knight posted:lol god dammit Glenn you fuckin' idiot, read a loving history book about the Civil Rights Movement. "I think the only way to make progress in racial equality is for more black activists to be assassinated. That way, people will remember them fondly and solve racism." - A smart man.
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Clinton hatred is fair, even if every expression of it isn't.
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Mr.Unique-Name posted:No it loving isn't and this poo poo where goons assume that anybody asking a question because they don't understand something, or they are lacking context, is actually a horrible racist acting in bad faith is gross. Try giving an answer to the question and hold off on reflexively shouting them down until they make an actual argument or refuse a valid justification. You're being dumb. A poster asked a stupid question. He got poo poo on a little for asking such a stupid question. Hopefully he learned why his thought was dumb and in the future he'll be less dumb. This is how SA has always worked.
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logger posted:. It hasn't translated into negative economic growth yet.
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KillHour posted:Can't wait until SCOTUS strikes down the law in a 5-4 decision. It's worth it for the symbolism of Trump having to sign it into law though. It added it to the Federal Civil Rights statute Title 18 under Hate Crimes, if I'm looking at the right bill.
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Ogmius815 posted:You're being dumb. A poster asked a stupid question. He got poo poo on a little for asking such a stupid question. Hopefully he learned why his thought was dumb and in the future he'll be less dumb. This is how SA has always worked. By the usual standards of D&D the response he got was even-handed and thorough so I don't see why anyone is complaining.
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my bony fealty posted:glenn greenwald, held at gunpoint by a Bolsanaro death squad: "it's important that these folks be allowed to express their views on LGBTQ folks *is summarily executed*" For satire to work, it typically has to at least reflect some facet of the subjects actual views. Considering the threats that have been made toward Greenwald’s spouse by the Brazillian right, up to and including Bolsonaro himself, this is pretty loving disgusting my dude. It sounds more like your fantasy rather than a joke.
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selec posted:For satire to work, it typically has to at least reflect some facet of the subjects actual views. Considering the threats that have been made toward Greenwald’s spouse by the Brazillian right, up to and including Bolsonaro himself, this is pretty loving disgusting my dude. It sounds more like your fantasy rather than a joke. that's just how D&D rules my dude. Guy makes a smug libertarian rear end comment like he's done for his entire career? Lol hope he gets murdered by the state for bein a queer.
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Also just as a follow up, most posters will actually be super nice and responsive to your questions, even the dumb ones, if you admit you have no idea what the gently caress.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:This is the last time I am going to engage you, but I very clearly said, multiple times that it has nothing to do with "good of the country" and everything to do with "not wanting to lose control of the government entirely" why should they give a poo poo about control of the government, if it comes at the cost of their own careers, friend. for your fantasy to become reality, you will need twenty republican senators to say "yes, I will sacrifice all hopes of ever holding high office in the Republican Party again, in the name of the greater good of the Republican Party." surely, you can put names to the platoon of virtuous patriots you know are going to bring about your dreams.
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This probably belongs in the rural poverty thread (if it still exists) but gently caress it, I just finished this watching Documentary from Frontline. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/left-behind-america/ It's another rural poverty piece, but this one hits home as Dayton Ohio (the city featured) is where I spent part of my childhood. It hits the same notes as any other piece (white flight caused by racism, companies closing shop to please wall-street, rampant opioid addiction, jobs coming back but now they pay $10 an hour and 0 benefits versus the $35 jobs + pension of old. Still, it's worth a watch if anything as a reminder of how hollow our economy actually is.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:why should they give a poo poo about control of the government, if it comes at the cost of their own careers, friend. standing strong with trump didn't manage to get a bunch of house republicans to keep their job.
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Rob Lowe is quite dumb like the president of the United States.
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Lycus posted:It hasn't translated into negative economic growth yet. We might have one of those fabled "Corrections that don't immediately cause the entire economy to explode", like the good old days before the late 90s/early 00s.
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my bony fealty posted:glenn greenwald, held at gunpoint by a Bolsanaro death squad: "it's important that these folks be allowed to express their views on LGBTQ folks *is summarily executed*" Glenn is being really stupid about free speech again but this isn't really necessary.
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OctaMurk posted:What is the actual point of an anti lynching bill though? First degree murder and hate crimes are already crimes. It doesn't seem necessary to make lynching, specifically, a crime since it's just murder. Ah, you're free of the woodwork
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sexpig by night posted:I mean to be fair Trump removing troops from Syria is 100% a correct choice and he should absolutely ignore the legion of ghouls slamming their clipboards on the table chanting "DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH" I guess if you don't care about a bunch of Kurds dying sure
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Munkeymon posted:I guess if you don't care about a bunch of Kurds dying sure I think it begs the question, should we be deploying an American army division anywhere in the world we think a genocide is going to happen? Because it went badly in Libya and that one didn't even involve ground troops to my knowledge. It was probably a mistake to ever involve ourselves with Syria, because it's clear now that our ability to fix the problem was non-existent. Now people are going to die and we're responsible because we created the situation as it is.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he is just doing it because he is hoping it makes him look good some how. He's a free-speech absolutist who often points out how specific targeted actions end up backfiring against the oppressed. In this instance, he's agreeing with Silver that corporations' boycotting advertising on cable-news shows has the effect of turning those outlets into mouthpieces for corporate propaganda, lest those shows become the targets of advertising boycotts. As an example, when was the last time you saw a cable-news show do a deep dive into the cost of prescription drugs or subcontracted military spending? Two weeks ago from never, because these outlets are beholden to corporate advertising and their messaging.
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Willa Rogers posted:He's a free-speech absolutist who often points out how specific targeted actions end up backfiring against the oppressed. The problem with this line of reasoning is that corporations already use their power to suppress the views of leftists and the marginalized more generally, so it's a de facto argument towards throwing your hands up in the air and doing nothing and somehow this will make the corporations treat you nicer because now they see we must follow the rules and be fair and all.
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Lightning Knight posted:I think it begs the question, should we be deploying an American army division anywhere in the world we think a genocide is going to happen? Because it went badly in Libya and that one didn't even involve ground troops to my knowledge. It was probably a mistake to ever involve ourselves with Syria, because it's clear now that our ability to fix the problem was non-existent. Now people are going to die and we're responsible because we created the situation as it is. We should be working with the UN to prevent Genocide and deploy peacekeepers where needed under a UN mandate. But this isn't going to happen anytime soon and it's goddamn depressing to see Geonocide in action (example, Muslims in Myanmar) and one soon to happen (Kurds) and know there's not a goddamn thing we can do about it. 
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