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| Up North |
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70 | 41.92% |
| New York |
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21 | 12.57% |
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12 | 7.19% |
| Stamford |
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18 | 10.78% |
| The XXX Porno Wrestling on the Other Channel |
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46 | 27.54% |
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I went with Filming Owen's Funeral on the narrow nod they brought all that production equipment and didn't get permission from the family.
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Dec 20, 2018 19:12
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https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1075814381076791297
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Dec 20, 2018 19:16
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I voted for contract tampering and immediately regretted it. Doing lovely business poo poo to other business who are mostly also doing lovely business poo poo isn't as bad as trying to get someone fired from their livelihood.
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Dec 20, 2018 19:54
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Both of those are pretty small in the grand scale of this tournament but pretty equally lovely within this matchup. Went with contracts just because there’s been so much of it and it’s been so bad and they’ve done a lot of damage to the whole industry by being really good at it
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Dec 20, 2018 20:11
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Rarity posted:I voted for contract tampering and immediately regretted it. Doing lovely business poo poo to other business who are mostly also doing lovely business poo poo isn't as bad as trying to get someone fired from their livelihood. If this is only based on Dave, and only based on them trying to gently caress with his job at The National, it’s honestly small potatoes in the context of this tournament. The National was only a paper for like 18 months and Frank Deford never actually fired Dave over the WWF manipulation. Vince couldn’t have know that at the time, of course, but it’s really not on par with 40+ years of contract fraud to me.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:14
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Sockser posted:Both of those are pretty small in the grand scale of this tournament but pretty equally lovely within this matchup. Went with contracts just because there’s been so much of it and it’s been so bad and they’ve done a lot of damage to the whole industry by being really good at it Agreed. This is the first matchup so far that I felt that neither one would have a deep run. The hate crimes against Kanyon are going to beat the winner of this 3 to 1 in the next round.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:16
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This is a tough one. While tampering is widespread in all sports real and fake, WWE really leverages its position as a near monopoly to just do whatever it wants with no pushback to the detriment of the whole industry. On the other hand, tying to get a reporter fired is a lovely attack on a fundamental part of society. After typing it out and considering the current climate, I'm voting for journalism. Meltzer did nothing wrong and he had an entire company trying to get him fired.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:40
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In going to vote Dave, just because it’s still continuing. I still think the WWE manufactured the outrage over the Peyton Royce incident earlier this year in an attempt to discredit Dave.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:51
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It's funny how off my expectations were on this one. While I didn't expect Contract Tampering to get out of the round of 32 I did think it'd win this one easily, and the vote is currently 50/50.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:56
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I think a mass of fans aren't as upset about contract tampering and underhanded dealings because they've basically been the industry standard for the entire time we've been fans.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:08
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MassRafTer posted:It's funny how off my expectations were on this one. While I didn't expect Contract Tampering to get out of the round of 32 I did think it'd win this one easily, and the vote is currently 50/50. Honestly shocked that it’s this close. Dave and Vince have been at war for years. I didn’t realize so many people ride for this particular element of their story.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:11
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CopywrightMMXI posted:In going to vote Dave, just because it’s still continuing. I still think the WWE manufactured the outrage over the Peyton Royce incident earlier this year in an attempt to discredit Dave. Did they? I mean obviously they piled on in that transparent twitter copy and paste way but didn't he like actually say something gross and misogynistic? And wasn't the defense from his readers/fans basically "eh, that's what Dave does, he's an awkward weirdo who speaks bad"? Did I miss a turn in that story?
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Dec 20, 2018 21:18
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WWE tampering generally means a worker agreeing to a pay raise. It's the least offensive of the contract entries in the tournament.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:19
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:WWE tampering generally means a worker agreeing to a pay raise. It's the least offensive of the contract entries in the tournament. I mean, I think you could make the case that practices like that which might benefit one wrestler at one time overall hurt the industry and more wrestlers in the big picture. But its definitely not getting to the Sweet 16 even if it gets past the Meltzer thing.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:22
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mkay0 posted:Honestly shocked that it’s this close. Dave and Vince have been at war for years. I didn’t realize so many people ride for this particular element of their story. Except it's not a war, WWE pretends it is a war and in this case framed it as a war to try and get a publication from not covering the story closely. I'm sure they hoped it would make other papers covering it think twice as well.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:22
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The way I see it, this round is a battle between WWE trying to be a scummy all-controlling monopoly on a macro level (I know there's other picks in the bracket about WWE trying to buy out everything, but there was no way I was voting for the NXT UK contract fuckery when it was against the Ring Boy Scandal) and WWE trying to be an all-controlling monopoly on a micro level regarding Meltzer's reporting on them. At the end of the day I had to go for the contracts, but I'm happy with either of these winning because they both boil down to the same basic problem.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:30
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:WWE tampering generally means a worker agreeing to a pay raise. It's the least offensive of the contract entries in the tournament. WWE is ignoring other company's contract stips about being able to make competing offers. Its usually "this is the offer, if you tell anyone about it, its null and void" so it actually robs a worker of being able to bargain from a position of strength.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:42
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Trying to influence the media and coverage of the organization is the secret to getting away with all the other poo poo in this tournament. Voting for Meltzer.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:44
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CopywrightMMXI posted:In going to vote Dave, just because it’s still continuing. I still think the WWE manufactured the outrage over the Peyton Royce incident earlier this year in an attempt to discredit Dave. Urging the wrestlers to pile on Dave when he’s legitimately bad is not inappropriate at all, imo.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:46
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STAC Goat posted:Did they? I mean obviously they piled on in that transparent twitter copy and paste way but didn't he like actually say something gross and misogynistic? Dave said something about how Peyton was a better worker when she was “lighter” in a euphemism for her breast implants. So it was kind of skeevy and he probably should have just outright said what he meant but I still found the response to be a quite coordinated and somewhat insincere.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:23
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please do not misquote or misconstrue Dave Meltzer's strange rear end comments. the man sounds weird and disconnected enough on his ownquote:Meltzer: “I thought [The IIconics] had a thing in NXT, but on the main roster I don’t get a thing out of them. I don’t think their promos are really good, their wrestling isn’t good. I think even Peyton Royce’s transformation to look more attractive..I don’t know, I don’t want to say.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:28
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STAC Goat posted:Did they? I mean obviously they piled on in that transparent twitter copy and paste way but didn't he like actually say something gross and misogynistic? He kind of did but not really. Bix covered it all better then I can, https://deadspin-com.cdn.ampproject...blow-1828409695
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Dec 20, 2018 22:33
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Since this one is razor thin I'm going to post this decision here too: If there are any draws in the tournament both move on and the next match up is a three way. Also Trump is a draw: https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1075840210817175553
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Dec 20, 2018 22:34
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Best way to explain the Meltzer/Peyton Royce thing is that Meltzer said something dumb and thoughtless but what he intended was obvious, WWE then decided to make him sound far far worse by painting it as fat shaming and that he called Peyton fat and ugly when that obviously isn't what he said.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:41
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CopywrightMMXI posted:Dave said something about how Peyton was a better worker when she was “lighter” in a euphemism for her breast implants. So it was kind of skeevy and he probably should have just outright said what he meant but I still found the response to be a quite coordinated and somewhat insincere. Oh, obviously WWE's concern was disingenuous as gently caress and the coordinated twitter response was laughably transparent in parts. But like, that doesn't make Meltzer's comments any less gross. And it seems sketchy to try and weed through which wrestlers were sincerely offended on behalf of a friend/colleague and how many were just following some company attack strategy.
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Dec 20, 2018 22:42
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Gumball Gumption posted:He kind of did but not really. Bix covered it all better then I can, https://deadspin-com.cdn.ampproject...blow-1828409695
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Dec 20, 2018 22:44
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Gumball Gumption posted:Best way to explain the Meltzer/Peyton Royce thing is that Meltzer said something dumb and thoughtless but what he intended was obvious, WWE then decided to make him sound far far worse by painting it as fat shaming and that he called Peyton fat and ugly when that obviously isn't what he said. It’s only obvious to people who listen to Dave enough to realize that half of what he says is coded language. To the layperson, he’s calling her fat. Regardless, saying ‘he didn’t mean she was fat, he just meant she looked and worked better without fake tits’ isn’t a huge upgrade.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:22
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I actually didn't realize there was a confusion where some people thought he was calling her fat. For what its worth it was him judging her breasts that I thought was gross and worthy of derision.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:26
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wrestlers absolutely love dogpiling people on twitter to get the rub and feel like they're important, see the response to Lio Rush's joke They don't need guidance to be stupid as poo poo on Twitter
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Dec 20, 2018 23:29
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Dave said it in a not so great way, but I get his meaning: main roster basically makes women get nose/boob jobs to make them more attractive to audiences (insert famous Kevin Dunn quote), but Royce didn't need that and it actually made her worse in the ring.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:36
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WWE essentially forcing women wrestlers to get plastic surgery for a callup or a push is something that could easily be on this tournament
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Dec 20, 2018 23:40
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mkay0 posted:It’s only obvious to people who listen to Dave enough to realize that half of what he says is coded language. To the layperson, he’s calling her fat. STAC Goat posted:I actually didn't realize there was a confusion where some people thought he was calling her fat. For what its worth it was him judging her breasts that I thought was gross and worthy of derision. The average layperson isn't listening to a podcast about wrestling. For anyone that cares enough to know who Meltzer and discern the context, he's lamenting the fact that women in WWE feel the need to get breast augmentation.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:54
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On one hand, I want to see what a worst person tournament would dredge up in its brackets, but on the other hand, it's so obviously Vince that the whole thing seems unnecessary. also lol at this twitter douche
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Dec 21, 2018 00:19
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sticklefifer posted:On one hand, I want to see what a worst person tournament would dredge up in its brackets, but on the other hand, it's so obviously Vince that the whole thing seems unnecessary. Warrior might have a punchers chance.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:26
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STAC Goat posted:I actually didn't realize there was a confusion where some people thought he was calling her fat. For what its worth it was him judging her breasts that I thought was gross and worthy of derision. Peyton was mad at him for calling her fat, and he was mostly attacked by WWE stars for fat shaming. I agree with you about what Dave said not being OK but the fact that they got mad at him for something he didn't say (because focusing on the implants would raise discussion of "Why does a female athlete need breast implants in WWE when she didn't in NXT?") makes it easy to believe the outrage was instigated (not necessarily fully carried out) by WWE. e: I want to clarify that I think most of the outrage was genuine and a reaction by people who didn't hear the clip but did hear what was purported to be in it.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:30
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TTBF posted:Peyton was mad at him for calling her fat, and he was mostly attacked by WWE stars for fat shaming. I agree with you about what Dave said not being OK but the fact that they got mad at him for something he didn't say (because focusing on the implants would raise discussion of "Why does a female athlete need breast implants in WWE when she didn't in NXT?") makes it easy to believe the outrage was instigated (not necessarily fully carried out) by WWE. Ah, ok. I obviously didn't follow the social media drama that closely. I guess I heard the outrage, found out what he said, and just assumed the rest. My bad. But yeah, while I don't doubt WWE would try and jump on it it just seems like since Meltzer genuinely said something hosed up and Royce had a reason to be upset that its just best form to give the benefit of the doubt not to WWE but the individual peers and friends of Royce who ostensibly wanted to support her. Maybe it wasn't true for all of them but like... Meltzer shouldn't have said it so sometimes you just gotta take the hit. Which, in fairness, according to that Bix article it sounds like Meltzer tried to do.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:37
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Most of the dogpiling happened after Meltzer took the hit. People who support the dogpiling are why Hogan went "Hey brother I'm sorry I got caught".
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Dec 21, 2018 00:47
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TTBF posted:(because focusing on the implants would raise discussion of "Why does a female athlete need breast implants in WWE when she didn't in NXT?") To which she can respond "because I wanted to get them" and to which WWE can respond "we're entertainment, not a sport." The pressure to get implants (both direct and indirect) is bad, but women can get implants if they want to.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:51
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Honestly the treatment of women through the entire Divas era could fill a whole tournament.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:58
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Most of the dogpiling happened after Meltzer took the hit. I don't follow your point at all. Is this some kind of "I was only racist because the sjws made me do it" idea? Sorry, I'm lost on that one.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:02
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