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Gripweed posted:If Trump actually does pull us out of Syria and Afghanistan, he'll have the best foreign policy record of any President in decades It's not withdrawal that's the problem, but the execution of it. trump doesn't care about the details. he just wants it now because he needs to look smart.
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Lightning Knight posted:If they don't make any attempt to mitigate the fallout re: the Kurds that poo poo should be laid at his feet, however. Personally I don't see any way to do this sans endless occupation.
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Id agree if we were offering citizenship to all of the people who are absolutely hosed when we pull out, but hey they arent americans and its not like non Americans have ever mattered prior
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kidkissinger posted:Personally I don't see any way to do it this sans endless occupation. (I'm ok with blaming Trump for something that couldn't be avoided either way, personally) But then, I'm not strictly speaking willing to give Trump credit for this if they do pull out since he's doing it for purely vain and narcissistic reasons. It's the platonic ideal of a stopped clock being right twice a day. ^ we should definitely be accepting a shitload of Kurdish refugees imo.
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Barudak posted:Id agree if we were offering citizenship to all of the people who are absolutely hosed when we pull out, but hey they arent americans and its not like non Americans have ever mattered prior we did it pretty well when we were in nam. but trump hates anyone who isn't aryan so yeah, they are hosed.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone familiar with what the rules are for an “acting” SoD? idk. but my guess is the DHS lady is gonna get the axe soon.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Anyone familiar with what the rules are for an “acting” SoD? Same as the rules in calvinball
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I don't want to watch this movie any longer...  https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/865274183223095296
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there's no way to withdraw "the right way" because just like invading and occupying foreign countries, it turns out there's no actual "right way" to do it the US was never going to be able to protect the kurds, and as wrong and awful as it is, the US never intended to either the faster the US gets out, the better. we hosed the whole region up for decades, there's no making it right. the best thing we can do is leave
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Gripweed posted:If Trump actually does pull us out of Syria and Afghanistan, he'll have the best foreign policy record of any President in decades The Paris Climate Agreement, Iran nuclear deal, and rapprochement with Cuba might balance the scales a bit more than you are crediting.
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RaySmuckles posted:there's no way to withdraw "the right way" because just like invading and occupying foreign countries, it turns out there's no actual "right way" to do it Accepting Kurdish refugees should be a serious talking point imo, if Trump is gonna pull out of Syria and also not accept enough refugees to off-set the inevitable bloodbath he deserves to get slammed for it. Not because we should't leave, but because those people are hosed otherwise.
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Gripweed posted:If Trump actually does pull us out of Syria and Afghanistan, he'll have the best foreign policy record of any President in decades Yes let’s forget all about Yemen and the fact that Trump took Obama’s drone program (which this thread gives him endless poo poo about) and loosened the rules of engagement by about an order of magnitude.
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Lightning Knight posted:Accepting Kurdish refugees should be a serious talking point imo, if Trump is gonna pull out of Syria and also not accept enough refugees to off-set the inevitable bloodbath he deserves to get slammed for it. Not because we should't leave, but because those people are hosed otherwise. lol if you think president neo-nazi is going to accept refugees from the mid-east. granted, in a hypothetical democrat administration they'd also refuse to accept them too, just for decorous, optics reasons
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Dapper_Swindler posted:It's not withdrawal that's the problem, but the execution of it. trump doesn't care about the details. he just wants it now because he needs to look smart.
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Dick Trauma posted:I don't want to watch this movie any longer... Surely he should have been 25th'ed immediately.
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:lol if you think president neo-nazi is going to accept refugees from the mid-east. I know he’s not gonna but we should still be arguing for it. 
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It feels like we're going to think back point in 20 years when something bad happens but you could say that for any decisions made by this administration.
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This is your reminder that this is actually Trump's 700th day in office, and we are almost exactly 1/2 of the way through his first term as president
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Lightning Knight posted:Accepting Kurdish refugees should be a serious talking point imo, if Trump is gonna pull out of Syria and also not accept enough refugees to off-set the inevitable bloodbath he deserves to get slammed for it. Not because we should't leave, but because those people are hosed otherwise. sure, we should try and do that, talk it into existence, etc but that's not something that president muslim ban is going to do even still, pulling out in a callous, awful way is still better than forever war
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The Mattis letter is stinging but trump wont even read it, let alone understand Iit. Amazing.
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Sarsapariller posted:This is your reminder that this is actually Trump's 700th day in office, and we are almost exactly 1/2 of the way through his first term as president And, there have been at BARE MINIMUM 15 things that would have ended anyone else's Presidency.
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RaySmuckles posted:sure, we should try and do that, talk it into existence, etc lets just hope that the number dead stays under a million, right?
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:lets just hope that the number dead stays under a million, right? pretty sure its already well over a million
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Lightning Knight posted:If they don't make any attempt to mitigate the fallout re: the Kurds that poo poo should be laid at his feet, however. I’m betting Trump is impeached before he can actually implement this. If he does I wonder how the people happy about this will feel a month or two later when the Kurds and other tiny ethnic groups get genocided by an Edgrogen-Assad tag team.
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RaySmuckles posted:pretty sure its already well over a million count starts anew today, but any price, right?
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kidkissinger posted:Personally I don't see any way to do this sans endless occupation. with the war winding down it's possible Assad would be willing to offer the Kurds an okay deal if there was still the American speed bump to worry about as it happens, Assad taking the Kurdish territory is still their best case scenario, it's just that his terms can now instead be "suck it up, losers, at least there'll still fuckin' BE Kurds in the parts I control"
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:yup, japan, famous fascist country. I just wanna requote this because jeeeeeezus christ
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So I found a shortlist of potential SoD replacements:quote:* Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) From Best to Worst which pick would do?
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Lightning Knight posted:I know he’s not gonna but we should still be arguing for it. Lol if u post here and don't support an independent Kurdistan
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:count starts anew today, but any price, right? the liberal need to rehabilitate george w. bush extending even into stopping counting the number of deaths he's responsible for is the funniest goddamned thing
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Numlock posted:I’m betting Trump is impeached before he can actually implement this. We can’t commit troops to every part of the world that goes to poo poo. We said Libya was going to be a massacre and ended up making it worse than it is. America is not a force for good in the world and it’s not our job to drop an army division anywhere we feel isn’t up to snuff.
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Grouchio posted:So I found a shortlist of potential SoD replacements: How about General Flynn if he doesn't get jailed?
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Grouchio posted:So I found a shortlist of potential SoD replacements: Which one flips a Senate seat
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Tom Cotton is literally the dumbest senator in congress and would be a yes man through and through. it cannot be stated enough he is dumb as a box of rocks
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Brb going to try to become SoD Ya'll getting drafted
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Grouchio posted:So I found a shortlist of potential SoD replacements: Keane is probably the least bad, his blood-gargling is well within normal military levels. Probably worse than Mattis. Cotton and Graham are probably the worst, for somewhat different reasons.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the liberal need to rehabilitate george w. bush extending even into stopping counting the number of deaths he's responsible for is the funniest goddamned thing im not trying to rehabilitate bush, im saying that the specific consequences of this decision, today, are going to be significant and will likely result in hundreds of thousands of dead. tracing back how we got to where we are today is, on some level, fruitless. the legitimacy of projecting power through military intervention is an entirely distinct conversation from what trump is doing, right now, in syria, which is a pathetic monstrosity from every angle. there is no justification for his action and in no sense is it positive.
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It really only took like a week of a bad stock market for a number of my rich guy co workers to get off the Trump train lol
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