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It's weird because I still have my GCSE text book and it has modules covering a shitload of other 20th century stuff (post WW1 US, Russian Civil War and Soviet Union, early Cold War) that should also have been covered if we didn't get just two history lessons a week depending on the term too.
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 So duck and cover wasn't bullshit. Also hell of a difference between 2 and 4 there if you're standing up. I guess the question is how long between you seeing the flash and the shockwave hitting you
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Dec 20, 2018 20:33
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The actual government information given to the two characters in Where The Wind Blows still takes the cake though.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:39
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SeanBeansShako posted:The actual government information given to the two characters in Where The Wind Blows still takes the cake though. “...what’s misc?”
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Dec 20, 2018 20:45
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's weird because I still have my GCSE text book and it has modules covering a shitload of other 20th century stuff (post WW1 US, Russian Civil War and Soviet Union, early Cold War) that should also have been covered if we didn't get just two history lessons a week depending on the term too. Basically, until recently there were two main GCSE History formats: Schools History Project (SHP) and Modern. You did modern, which had a breadth study paper, a depth study paper and a coursework/ controlled assessment element. Departments get to chose which specific topics/periods they cover from a list of topics the exam board offers. As an example, the last school I taught the Modern History course at did: Depth study: the rise of the Nazis Breadth study: the Cold War Controlled assessment: Britain 1920-70 SHP was different in that it focussed on a thematic study and offered some non-modern options The new GCSEs are basically the two old formats rammed together and no controlled assessment.
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Dec 20, 2018 20:46
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SeanBeansShako posted:The actual government information given to the two characters in Where The Wind Blows still takes the cake though. You don't have an anti-nuke sack pile?
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Dec 20, 2018 20:49
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Hey man you got to pick that or the spare doors and white paint.Lobster God posted:The new GCSEs are basically the two old formats rammed together and no controlled assessment. Is it bad I am not surprised now it's done this way?
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Dec 20, 2018 20:51
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EvilMerlin posted:Someplace, somewhere, a snare drum and cymbals are making a noise or two... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LLQ39XhRwY&t=5s
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Dec 20, 2018 20:59
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SeanBeansShako posted:
Nah that just means you're paying attention to our glorious masters. You'll be unsurprised to learn that the new one has much more content and has harder exams. And no, most schools have not been able to increase teaching time to account for this. Which is cool. I really don't like GCSEs. Still, there have been worse ideas (See the original Thatcher era plan for KS3 National Curriculum and Gove's original proposals for the same).
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Dec 20, 2018 21:03
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Oh god I dread to think what pro-Imperial bollocks those things would have in them.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:08
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SeanBeansShako posted:Oh god I dread to think what pro-Imperial bollocks those things would have in them. They were all Britain all the time and attempted to basically dictate every lesson topic that should be taught. Naturally the list of topics was ridiculously long and utterly unfeasible to teach and the original version was never really implemented (because it was essentially impossible). It was reformed rapidly. And yes, teachers did point that out during the consultation phase but wtf would they know? Gove basically wanted to do something very similar, but was forced into backing down by pressure from the unions and academics. I went to a cpd event featuring a session with Sir Richard Evans and Peter Mandler (at the time president of the RHS) shortly after this and apparently they had a pretty... intense conversation with Gove. The KS3 curriculum as it stands is pretty flexible, which is good, although still weighted heavily towards British history.
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Dec 20, 2018 21:18
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HEY GUNS posted:i have no idea but i think i read in maron lorenz's book that they had no military legal system at all. i would be interested in hearing where she got this information From reading the Iron Kingdom, I remember it saying that Brandenburg lost all coherent military force pretty drat fast, thanks to trying to stay neutral to all sides, which all sides then loving ignored to trample all across the land. After this, Brandenburg continued to fight everyone, but guerilla-style. Their armed forces were more like organized bandits, plundering their own peasants as often as they would ambush and slaughter enemies. So no wonder that it looks like they had no military legal system. The Kurfürst of Brandenburg during this time was apparently so scared by his own forces, he stayed the gently caress away until the 30 Years War ended
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Dec 20, 2018 21:24
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Lobster God posted:The KS3 curriculum as it stands is pretty flexible, which is good, although still weighted heavily towards British history. Question about history teaching, albeit from an American...It's Britain. Wouldn't you want (or at least expect) a British history curriculum to be heavily weighted towards British history? (For me, and I can't think I'm alone about this, even as someone who loved history, learning about the history of places I'd never be was an entirely separate mental task from learning about the history of the place (city, state, country) where I lived, because it was the history of where I was and sometimes still had an impact on me now.)
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Spacewolf posted:Question about history teaching, albeit from an American...It's Britain. Wouldn't you want (or at least expect) a British history curriculum to be heavily weighted towards British history? (Full disclosure, I'm somewhat biased on this due to my research interests/focus of my qualifications- I'm all about that global turn) On the one hand, yes, a degree of national history is useful/ necessary in order to allow pupils to begin to understand the country they live in and the historical roots of the society and institutions of government etc. The issue I have with the NC is that it both tries to do too much and too little. Basically it's expected in secondary school to cover from the Norman invasion to the Cold War, so a lot of topics get treated in a pretty cursory fashion. But it's almost all domestic history (and in England, specifically English) and anything beyond the shores of Britain gets incredibly short shrift. Usually slavery and the civil rights movement and maybe a short bit on empire. But that's a problem given that Britain has been quite... involved in the rest of the world, which has had an impact on this country as well. The vast majority of British pupils end their formal history education without ever covering the French revolution, to give one example, or with any idea about the history of Ireland. And the empire is covered inadequately at best because there simply isn't time to do it justice. It's parochial, encourages an anglo-centric viewpoint and frankly offers an incomplete view of history.
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What weird twist of French vocabulary led to major general being subordinate to lt. general?
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Dec 20, 2018 23:08
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zoux posted:What weird twist of French vocabulary led to major general being subordinate to lt. general?
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There really isn't time to cover everything that you need to cover to create a young adult with a complete view of history in the time allotted to teach history between KS1 and KS3 and doing a GCSE in it will barely help. Maybe it's time to forget the Romans and the Normans and the Tudors and just kick the curriculum off with the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:12
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HEY GUNS posted:in the seventeenth century a lieutenant general is the highest rank there is because he acts as the lieutenant ("lieu tenant," "holding the place of") the head of state who employs him Well then how does it also mean the most junior officer grade. While we're on it, why do Brits pronounce it like that
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Dec 20, 2018 23:12
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zoux posted:What weird twist of French vocabulary led to major general being subordinate to lt. general? I forget where I heard this, but! The full name of the rank was sergeant major general, originally. He was the general responsible for the things a sergeant major was responsible for in lower echelon formations, like discipline and troop training etc. Brigadiers or Brigadier Generals came even later, to explain the difference.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:16
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FrangibleCover posted:There really isn't time to cover everything that you need to cover to create a young adult with a complete view of history in the time allotted to teach history between KS1 and KS3 and doing a GCSE in it will barely help. Maybe it's time to forget the Romans and the Normans and the Tudors and just kick the curriculum off with the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. Yeah that's what I keep coming back to. I feel bad about thinking it because those topics are interesting and have relevance for the deeper historical roots of our state and society BUT I can't help but feel the Enlightenment onwards in more depth might be a better approach for a general historical education programme up to KS3. The vast majority of history graduates and teachers are modern historians anyway... but then reducing teaching of earlier periods won't inspire kids to learn about them. It's difficult. And KS1 and 2 have really sidelined history in recent years. I've had year 7s start who can just about name WW2 but had never been taught any other history.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:19
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Spacewolf posted:I forget where I heard this, but! MilHist Thread III, 11th April last year, where someone had the same question. I'm going back through and just happened to land on it today.
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Dec 20, 2018 23:29
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Remember when SKY attempted to cover the history of the British Isles and it's people in six one hour documentations full of talking heads?
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Dec 20, 2018 23:42
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Spacewolf posted:Brigadiers or Brigadier Generals came even later, to explain the difference. Those are the ones who travel back in time to regency-era Scotland?
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Dec 20, 2018 23:43
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SeanBeansShako posted:Remember when SKY attempted to cover the history of the British Isles and it's people in six one hour documentations full of talking heads? No and you can't make me
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Dec 20, 2018 23:52
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zoux posted:Well then how does it also mean the most junior officer grade. While we're on it, why do Brits pronounce it like that The lieutenant commands in place of the captain or whoever
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Lobster God posted:No and you can't make me The best thing about that was you know they were just randomly calling and asking celebrities to show. Man Drunk History is so much better.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:39
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Can anyone recommend me a book on Indian military history, particularly pre-colonial India? It feels like China and Japan get all the Asian military history attention.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:51
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SeanBeansShako posted:Man Drunk History is so much better. My friends tell me that going drinking with me is like drunk history except with a sliding scale of what language I'm speaking. I kind of assume that comment also applies to most of this thread.
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Dec 21, 2018 00:51
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Don Gato posted:My friends tell me that going drinking with me is like drunk history except with a sliding scale of what language I'm speaking. haha, mea culpa
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Dec 21, 2018 00:57
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Don Gato posted:My friends tell me that going drinking with me is like drunk history except with a sliding scale of what language I'm speaking. What subject would you pick by the way if for some reason you suddenly were on it?
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Dec 21, 2018 01:01
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Remember how the History of Britain podcast is at like 300 episodes after 5 years and hasn’t even reached the Norman invasion yet?
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Dec 21, 2018 01:13
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There's too much history. Schools should just give up.
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Dec 21, 2018 01:16
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P-Mack posted:There's too much history. Schools should just give up. I'm American, and none of my grade schooling said more about the Civil War than "The North invaded the South and beat it, and Abraham Lincoln was a cool dude until he got shot. The slaves were freed afterwards." Take a wild guess which part of America I'm from.
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Cythereal posted:I'm American, and none of my grade schooling said more about the Civil War than "The North invaded the South and beat it, and Abraham Lincoln was a cool dude until he got shot. The slaves were freed afterwards." I went through the Florida public school system, at the height of Jeb! ramming crappy standardized tests down everyone’s throats, and we never actually studied either World War. It usually amounted to “We beat Germany, then there was the depression, then we beat Germany again and nuked Japan. Have a nice summer!”
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Dec 21, 2018 01:47
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Remember how the History of Britain podcast is at like 300 episodes after 5 years and hasn’t even reached the Norman invasion yet? The History of Byzantium podcast has been stuck at 1025AD for a few months, while he tours the city. The History of English podcast just hit the Norman invasion after six years, but at it started at proto-Indo-European. After the short Jin reunification, why does Chinese history refer to the era as the Sixteen Kingdoms era, when there were more than 16 kingdoms in former Jin territory. Likewise, the period after the Tang dynasty is known as the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms era, but there were more than five dynasties and more than ten kingdoms. Is there some numerological significance to 5, 10, and 16 in Chinese history?
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Dec 21, 2018 02:36
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SeanBeansShako posted:What subject would you pick by the way if for some reason you suddenly were on it? Most likely the Mexican Revolution or the Chinese century of humiliation. I'm pretty knowledgeable about those eras and most people don't know much about them, and since I still have friends that listen I'm not going to stop any time soon.
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Dec 21, 2018 02:55
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Got to get famous first. I believe in you man.
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The BBC has occasionally produced good documentaries on British history https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUM89s4N2BQ
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Grand Prize Winner posted:The BBC has occasionally produced good documentaries on British history lmao, this is great
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