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Hmmmmm... Intel Plans Ghost Canyon X NUC with Discrete Graphics in 2020 quote:The Ghost Canyon X NUC will be powered by 9th Generation Coffee Lake HR processors that will come in i5 and i7 flavors. The chips have a 45W TDP and will come in quad core i5-9XXXH, six core i7, or eight core i7-9XXXH configurations (with HyperThreading) and will be paired with two DDR4 DIMMs (up to 64GB DDR4 2400 MHz or 32GB DDR4 2666 MHz). Ghost Canyon X NUCs will have three HDMI 2.0 video outputs, two Thunderbolt 3 ports, and a SD card slot for external I/O (likely along with USB 3.1 and audio outputs though those are not pictured). Internal storage includes up to 3 M.2 drives (two M.2 2242 80/110 and one 80mm) using PCI-E 3.0 x4 links and SATA 3 for standard hard drives and SATA SSDs. The biggest change with the NUC platform is the inclusion of a single PCI-E x16 slot which can be used to add a discrete graphics card to the system. Quite a ways away of course, but an interesting wrinkle for extremely small SFF systems while overcoming the NUC's biggest disadvantage for being used as a high-end system.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Hmmmmm... Pretty cool indeed, the PCIe slot really was the biggest hurdle to have something high-end that's smaller than mini-itx. Well there was mini-stx, but with the unavailability of MCM gpus (sadly) it was pretty much a fringe phenomenon.
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It’s too bad that I’ll just go with an external GPU anyway because a 1080 Ti Hybrid will not fit in that case without some serious surgery. Also, I highly doubt that Keras and Tensorflow will be ported reliably and quickly enough for me at that point to care. As such, such a NUC model really is only of interest for me in a pure gaming system and generally the same GPUs that are tops for machine learning are also top performers for games anyway.
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Now that I've converted my Mini-ITX PC into an Unraid NAS, I'd love to see more boutique TB3 eGPU enclosures that are as well-built as a DanCase or NCASE. Even if there's a small performance hit and it doesn't save me much money , I'm pretty set on eventually grabbing an eGPU enclosure instead of building another MITX gaming PC.
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I like the idea of an eGPU to plug a laptop into but checking them out they seem to be the same size as an ITX system at the moment? They're a lot bigger than I was expecting. https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/external-graphics-card-enclosures
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knox_harrington posted:I like the idea of an eGPU to plug a laptop into but checking them out they seem to be the same size as an ITX system at the moment? They're a lot bigger than I was expecting. All the ones that I've seen have built-in PSUs, which is I guess fair enough, because how else are you gonna power your GPU? It's either that or one big rear end 200+ watt external power brick. But then the thickness of GPU + PSU times the length of a full-size GPU is pretty much the same as a Dan A4.
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I love the Mini ITX form factor; you have to choose your components carefully, but you can make some great SFF computers with it. Here's Ganesha, my personal NAS. It's got an ASRock Rack Mini ITX mobo, Intel Core i5-4670K CPU, IBM 1015 SAS card, 6 x 4TB HDDs and 2 SSDs (one for the system drive, one for read cache) and a Norco ITX-S8 hot-swap case that's about the size of a small speaker. It runs Ubuntu 18.04 with ZFS and I use it for Samba/CIFS shares, backup (Time Machine for my and my partner's laptops), media storage thru Plex Media Server, Git repos, virtual environments and more.  I wish there were more good Mini ITX server boards; AFAIK ASRock Rack is the only one who makes them. stray fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 22, 2018 |
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Xeon D series CPUs (and accompanying motherboards) are available in mini ITX. The thing to watch for is that the latest Xeon D series (D-2100 and such) are rather expensive and really not suitable for most home users, especially given the price range on them.
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stray posted:I wish there were more good Mini ITX server boards; AFAIK ASRock Rack is the only one who makes them. SuperMicro
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necrobobsledder posted:Xeon D series CPUs (and accompanying motherboards) are available in mini ITX. The thing to watch for is that the latest Xeon D series (D-2100 and such) are rather expensive and really not suitable for most home users, especially given the price range on them. I have an AsRock board with a D-1541 (8 core/16thread). You can often find good deals on them on Ebay from server pulls (Datto servers in particular show up a lot). 45w TDP and a great, even slightly overpowered, SOC for file and media servers. Great for Plex or Emby, and other home media stuff. I run mine with FreeNAS. The 4 core/8 thread version is the 1521, also very good, and can be found even cheaper. Remember Xeon-D is an SOC, meaning it's the chipset and CPU in one, bundled with the motherboard.
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knox_harrington posted:I like the idea of an eGPU to plug a laptop into but checking them out they seem to be the same size as an ITX system at the moment? They're a lot bigger than I was expecting. There's a brand that makes something called the puck, which uses an mxm gpu, and is much smaller than normal egpus, but considering the gpu is about half the size of a dancase any normal sized egpu is going to be about half that. I'm surprised there are no 17 cm gpu egpus, since thunderbolt connection is the limiting factor.
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Salted_Pork posted:There's a brand that makes something called the puck, which uses an mxm gpu, and is much smaller than normal egpus, but considering the gpu is about half the size of a dancase any normal sized egpu is going to be about half that. I'm surprised there are no 17 cm gpu egpus, since thunderbolt connection is the limiting factor. It was actually listed in that link:- Sonnet is the make. However, it costs £516. For a Radeon RX 560.
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stray posted:I love the Mini ITX form factor; you have to choose your components carefully, but you can make some great SFF computers with it. Welp, I know what I'm eventually going to do when I fill up my 4-bay NAS with 10TB drives - pick up one of those cases and a 4xSATA PCI-E card.
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I posted this in the GPU thread and I really should have here. These are my experiences with the SG13 case. I had been using a Silverstone RVZ02B but it was getting torn up with all the wacky crap I did to it. I loved it, and still do (that style of case is extremely easy to work with), but I wanted a radiator spot without taking up too much volume. A lot of the options in this space seems oddly expensive but the SG13 came through at a price actually lower than I wanted to spend. Important parts are FE 2080ti with modified NZXT G12 bracket, Corsair H50 quiet AIO, and a 9700k using a Cryorig C1 with a replacement 140mm Prolimatech fan as the Cryorig one had bad bearings for a long time now. Also I have delidded and lapped the CPU die and used a larger copper IHS since I was 100% certain CPU temps were going to be the weakest point.Pretty tall order for this tiny case   Lapping these parts was far more helpful than I thought it would be. A verifiable drop across the board by a ~3-5 degrees, dont know where the real bottleneck was though.    Modified G12 bracket. I had to cut off the little leg of the L shape of the bracket completely off and make some notches for power plug clips and hose routing.   Had to install the bare PCB first then maneuver the bracket and water block onto it from there. Not the most fun I've ever had, and for other reasons I've done this like 8 times now  Tight fit  Love the end result though. Those are 13" ultrabooks stacked there for size comparison I wasn't entirely sure I could actually make this fit with the GPU. It was possible in theory, but very nearly almost impossible in reality. But with the cuts it fits just fine so this ended up being very economical to water cool this GPU, I had no interest in an open loop setup just to make this fit. For thermals I removed the factory 120mm AIO fan and sandwiched two Noctua 120mm slim fans. This turned out to be key, the H50 could not keep up in this environment. Others may be just fine stock though. With the 2 new fans it works perfectly. I have it setup to run nearly silent but it still never throttles even under a heavy long load topping out at 77* with a max overclock. The CPU on the other hand hits 80*, which is fine, but its currently just stock at 4.6 ghz all cores. I will try to work on this a bit but I knew I'd be giving up top end CPU clocks with this case. The effort difference between this case and the RVZ02B is pretty extreme. The RVZ02B, and presumably all stacked chamber style designs, was literally easier to build in than a normal case. This SG13 was the polar opposite due to its more traditional layout. But the end result was absolutely worth it and I already love the little thing. For $40 its a real winner in my book. Nothing is particularly nice about it if you ignore price but it delivers on every front without any glaring faults. 4 out of 4.75 stars would buy again A weird quirk about the G12 bracket, not sure if this is common knowledge but it does work with the RTX card perfectly - if you use the AMD bracket. Its really bizarre but other people have found the same thing elsewhere as well when I looked it up.
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Great trip report 1gnoirents! I also did an SG13 build a few years ago, and will echo that it's a really good case considering the price. ASUS P8Z77-I DELUXE Core i5-3570K EVGA GTX 970 Corsair H60 CPU cooler Silverstone 600w SFX-L power supply Sandisk Extreme Pro 2.5" SSD WD Blue 1TB 3.5" HDD (yes, I even crammed a 3.5" HDD into it) Here are my build pics if anyone's interested. The order you put the components in matters a lot. I took it apart and put it back together a few times before I had everything how I wanted it. https://imgur.com/a/ejmyy4m I ended up selling it and going back to ATX because I had a use case for additional PCIe slots. Heresy, I know 
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I'm already planning something dumb. I lasted one whole day. I'm going to mount a radiator on top of the case and route the hoses to the CPU through the back probably through a grommet I'll have to put in.
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So, Dan is changing the C4 case again. He's considering a flexible case layout that can both accommodate the original stacked/sandwich setup as well as a classic setup similar to the Ncase M1. This flexible layout would mainly require an increase in width to 140 mm (with special angled power connectors) or 149 mm. IMO this would make much more sense than the limited original design that only played well with AIOs and still had cooler/GPU size limits close to the A4. With the flexible setup you can fit up to a 3-slot GPU (width is going to be the limiting factor here) and bigger top-down or even small tower coolers (he mentions the Noctua C14 and U9S). He also had someone from SFFLab over to test his C4 prototype and both said the original layout and size is a pain to build in, and even though the measurements would allow for custom loops and 2.5-slot GPUs those are basically impossible to fit. In other news, EKL hosed up manufacturing of the Alpenföhn Black Ridge (the cooler that's loosely based on Dan's HSLP-48 project) and although it was released in late November, the fixed batch is still nowhere to be seen. Apparently it should come out towards the end of February but we'll see. I sent mine back before ever using it, because 5 out of 6 heatpipes were only barely soldered to the base plate. E: Also, apparently Asetek is making a new compact AIO (replacement or upgrade to the 545LC) which should help in the A4 and other cases of similar size. orcane fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Feb 15, 2019 |
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I built most of a Dan-A4 system late last year and when my old graphics card died and I was running off the Intel iGPU it was basically silent. The Noctua NH-L9i is quieter than the WD Red spinning disk in my passively cooled fileserver in the same room. This is what I have now: CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-L9i 33.84 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: ASRock - Fatal1ty Z370 Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard Memory: G.Skill - TridentZ RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon VII 16 GB Video Card Case: DAN Cases - A4-SFX V3-B Mini ITX Desktop Case Power Supply: Silverstone - 600 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-15 12:44 GMT+0000 The Radeon VII fits much better than my old HD7970 where I had to take the backplate off (which is probably what killed it, I thought I could get away without re-pasting the heatsink and I did for about 3 months) and temperatures are fine. It's very loud under load but that's a problem with the card in a normal case too and it gets much better with a small undervolt. I tried fitting an Asetek AIO but I couldn't get the pipes to fit over my RAM so I gave up after accidentally snapping the USB3 header off my motherboard trying to squeeze everything in. I'm really happy with the case now, although if you asked me during the 2 days I spent trying to get my original set of components to fit you'd have got a very different answer.
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Yeep posted:I built most of a Dan-A4 system late last year and when my old graphics card died and I was running off the Intel iGPU it was basically silent. The Noctua NH-L9i is quieter than the WD Red spinning disk in my passively cooled fileserver in the same room. Thank you for buying a Radeon VII. Fighting the good fight. We need competition, after all. HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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I've built my PCs forever, but the Corsair One is looking attractive. The price premium is relatively low for the i160 -- I get to $3200 for the same components in an NZXT H200 -- and the vertical form factor means I can shove it behind the monitor on my smallish desk. I'd still rather get a Z390 chipset and not have to immediately upgrade the SSD, though. Are there any cool cases I should take a close look at before I give up and order? I'd want a 9700 or 9900, 2080 TI, and as close to dead silence and maintenance free operation as possible, in an SFF. I can't believe I'm considering pre-built. Feels dirty.
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KS posted:I've built my PCs forever, but the Corsair One is looking attractive. The price premium is relatively low for the i160 -- I get to $3200 for the same components in an NZXT H200 -- and the vertical form factor means I can shove it behind the monitor on my smallish desk. Evolv shift from Phanteks might be worth a look. http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift.html However it’s still gonna be bigger than Corsair One. I gotta admit the Corsair One has my attention too. Coredump fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Feb 16, 2019 |
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orcane posted:So, Dan is changing the C4 case again. I won’t be building a new SFF for a year or two, but I’m really hoping NCases’s Sidearm comes to fruition by then.
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What's the best air cooler, at or below 145mm height? Cryorig h7 plus? It's for a 2700x in a streacom da2. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Feb 17, 2019 |
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:What's the best air cooler, at or below 145mm height? I can see the Streacom DA2 has a side panel with holes... a Noctua NH-C14S might be a good fit - pulling cold air directly from the side down onto the CPU
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HalloKitty posted:I can see the Streacom DA2 has a side panel with holes... a Noctua NH-C14S might be a good fit - pulling cold air directly from the side down onto the CPU Good call. That'll do it, ordered. Thank you!
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Phone posted:Good stuff, good stuff. Hi, back again, but now with parts: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($525.89 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.95 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock - Z390 Phantom Gaming-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($183.98 @ Newegg) Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($219.99 @ Newegg) Storage: HP - EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB XC GAMING Video Card ($549.99 @ B&H) Case: Fractal Design - Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case ($67.25 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair - SF 600 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($139.00 @ Newegg) Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A15 PWM 140mm Fan ($21.95 @ Amazon) Case Fan: Noctua - NF-A12x25 PWM 60.1 CFM 120mm Fan ($29.90 @ Amazon) Other: SilverStone Technology Universal ATX to SFX Power Supply Bracket RL-PP08B ($10.68 @ Amazon) Is there anything here that looks like it won't work? Should I go with the NH-D15 or NH-D15S? Do I need to power supply extension cables with the new platinum rated SF600? Thanks. e: changed the video card from XC ultra to XC because 3 slots vs 2 Phone fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Feb 24, 2019 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x8ulycrzQc This is a thing that just went live on Kickstarter.
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Magnetic side panels are interesting. Probably no good if you want to travel with it, but simplifies the construction a bit. Seems like a pretty good channel too btw. So nice to have someone who doesn't just yell all the time.
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Phone posted:Hi, back again, but now with parts:
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Collateral Damage posted:Since you lamented the lack of 2TB drives, Intel makes a 2TB NVMe drive now, the 660p. It's not the fastest drive around (for an NVMe), but on the other hand it's pretty cheap per GB. I'm replacing the HP EX920 with a Samsung 970 Evo Plus in April. I got in some parts just now, and I think the box for the NH-D15 might be marginally smaller than that Nano S case lol
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I bought the Node 304 case and I’m going to pick up a GPU tomorrow, I know it fits a 2 slot but I was wondering if I could squeeze this fatty in there https://www.microcenter.com/product/601929/rog-strix-geforce-rtx-2060-overclocked-triple-fan-6gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card being that it’s more like ~2.5 slots or just go with an actual 2 slot card. I just thought the extra fan might help with a smallish case like this.
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Fenom posted:I bought the Node 304 case and I’m going to pick up a GPU tomorrow, I know it fits a 2 slot but I was wondering if I could squeeze this fatty in there https://www.microcenter.com/product/601929/rog-strix-geforce-rtx-2060-overclocked-triple-fan-6gb-gddr6-pcie-video-card being that it’s more like ~2.5 slots or just go with an actual 2 slot card. I just thought the extra fan might help with a smallish case like this. Easiest way to find out is to tighten the filter here with similar cards, or just google the two parts and hopefully google picks up a forum where someone has done it before. https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/#E=10&e=261
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Gay Retard posted:Welp, I know what I'm eventually going to do when I fill up my 4-bay NAS with 10TB drives - pick up one of those cases and a 4xSATA PCI-E card. There are two small SAS-SATA backplanes inside it (possibly Supermicro, but I can't say for sure) and I have another idea that I could buy a couple of SATA backplanes, a hot-swap drive cage with trays and just build or 3D print a SFF case skeleton around them, add a sweet mini-iTX mobo, a powerful GPU and then enclose it all in tempered glass or anodized aluminum. stray fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 9, 2019 |
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1gnoirents posted:I posted this in the GPU thread and I really should have here. These are my experiences with the SG13 case. I had been using a Silverstone RVZ02B but it was getting torn up with all the wacky crap I did to it. I loved it, and still do (that style of case is extremely easy to work with), but I wanted a radiator spot without taking up too much volume. A lot of the options in this space seems oddly expensive but the SG13 came through at a price actually lower than I wanted to spend. I really like your build. I wonder how this case would handle moving the power supply to the front, letting the power supply get air from the front grill, and then using the top of the case to mount fans, radiators, etc.
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I never shared my updated build after I upgraded the GPU, PSU, and case. I do kind of miss the PC-Q04 but the profile of the node 304 is a huge improvement. The only issue I have now is the cooler creates a lot of turbulence (previously it vented into the PSU) due to fan being perpendicular to the case fan so I'm planning to get a Noctua nh-u14s when I've got the cash to spare.   I may zip tie the cable down for appearances but I'm otherwise pretty satisfied. CPU: Intel I7-3770 Heatsink: Prolimatech Samuel 17 MB: GIGABYTE GA-H67N-USB3-B3 Case: Node 304 GPU: RTX 2080 PSU: Corsair SF600 Ashex fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Ashex posted:I never shared my updated build after I upgraded the GPU, PSU, and case. I do kind of miss the PC-Q04 but the profile of the node 304 is a huge improvement.
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td4guy posted:That looks nice. I was thinking about picking up one of those cases and shoving in 6 hard drives and a RAID card, assuming I can figure out how to fit six sata cables and six power plugs to fit in there neatly. Coincidentally I have the same case for my media server where I'm basically doing that. I only have a SATA expansion card in there as I'm doing a software raid. It's pretty crowded but I run the heatsink passive and it's pretty quiet.   I don't have specs off the top of my head but it's got six 2TB disks in there. Edit: If you're curious about the temps here's the last 12 months in celsius (the huge spike might be from when I was doing a mass video conversion that took a few days):  
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Originally asked in the PC Building megathread, and they suggested I ask my question here. When I did my mini-ITX build in a Fractal Design Node 202 case about two years ago, I reused an existing graphics card, which is an open cooler design (MSI GTX 980 GAMING 4G). Ran cool and fairly quiet in its prior micro-ATX home, but now everything runs warmer: CPU idles at ~50°C and GPU at ~44°C. Not terrible, but not terribly satisfactory either. I have two Fractal Design Venturi HP-12s pulling outside cool air into the GPU chamber as well. Conventional wisdom says I should have a blower design in such a mini-ITX build. I haven't experienced any heat-related failures, though my Noctua NH-L9i CPU fan inexplicably stopped spinning after a year of running fine; even then, the HP-12s are tied to CPU temp, so they ran at 100% and miraculously prevented system damage until I could safely shut down the PC (CPU never crested 90°C even without its fan working). But, should I still go ahead and replace my GPU with a blower design one, just in case?
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