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I do like Auron’s “alright time to strap the gently caress in” speech before the Yunalesca fight, but seeing it over and over gets old.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:She plucked it directly from Squall's mind, it literally says that in-game if you Scan it, it says like "In Squall's mind, the strongest GF." Not gonna lie Squall having his own OC and declaring it the strongest kinda rules. Like Griever didn't exist until then, right?
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DACK FAYDEN posted:She plucked it directly from Squall's mind, it literally says that in-game if you Scan it, it says like "In Squall's mind, the strongest GF." I thought it might've been a hint that all GFs were created by sorceresses from things people believed in, but I don't think it gets expanded on anywhere else in the game. FF8 has a lot of cool ideas it never develops properly. I love it but it's frustrating. 
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Dec 21, 2018 16:02
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The White Dragon posted:this doesn't make sense because laguna is a champ while squall is just a chump Or in the japanese version, stuffed bread.
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Dec 21, 2018 16:04
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NikkolasKing posted:She is from some unspecified point IN THE FUTURE. It is clear that witches are persecuted. This literally happens to Rinoa when she receives her powers, and it can be inferred this happens to every witch throughout time because people fear them. I mean, there's even a real world comparison to use here. It's true that the game doesn't go into the specific details of Ultimecia's life, but I wouldn't consider that a fault, especially with Squall's one-track military mindset of "kill the witch, save the future"
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Dec 21, 2018 16:08
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gigglefeimer posted:It is clear that witches are persecuted. This literally happens to Rinoa when she receives her powers, and it can be inferred this happens to every witch throughout time because people fear them. I mean, there's even a real world comparison to use here. It's true that the game doesn't go into the specific details of Ultimecia's life, but I wouldn't consider that a fault, especially with Squall's one-track military mindset of "kill the witch, save the future" Rinoa is being locked up after the two other Sorceresses we know (Adel and Edea) took control of the largest countries in the world with sycophantic followers and laid waste to the planet. Sorry, I don't buy Sorceresses are oppressed when two of them are not only in high government, they were unquestioned despots. Unless these tyrants led to Sorceresses being persecuted in the futue in which would still be all Ultimecia's fault because she was one of the tyrants that made people hate and fear Sorceresses. Now I'll be charitable. I remember the scene after Ellone goes back in time to trick Ultimecia to going back in time. Ellone says "I was in the body of the young Adel..." or something. I always wondered what else she had to say. Was Adel mistreated? I'd like to know mre as Adel was a far superior villain to Ultimecia. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Dec 21, 2018 |
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Look at loving Adel, her Element is fist. She was mad jacked probably as a kid and singled out
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NikkolasKing posted:Rinoa is being locked up after the two other Sorceresses we know (Adel and Edea) took control of the largest countries in the world with sycophantic followers and laid waste to the planet. What I'm hearing from you is rationalizations for oppressing a certain group of people. We had the Salem Witch Trials in our own world, dude.
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gigglefeimer posted:What I'm hearing from you is rationalizations for oppressing a certain group of people. We had the Salem Witch Trials in our own world, dude. 1. I'm pointing out that if Sorceresses like Ultimecia were oppressed in the future, it's directly Ultimecia's fault for having Edea take over Galbadia and launch a campaign of terror across the planet. 2. I was saying there is no real evidence in the game of Sorceresses being oppressed outside of Rinoa and that only happened because of the last two decades of Sorceresses being tyrants who started wars. The Salem Witch Trials is a really lovely comparison for a lot of reasons, by the way. I'm not rationalizing or justifying Josephine Sorceress being persecuted, I'm saying the game only offers any proof of persecution after Sorceresses do a lot of bad poo poo, including the villain herself. I think you lose the right to complain about mistreatment after you try to murder everyone.
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NikkolasKing posted:1. I'm pointing out that if Sorceresses like Ultimecia were oppressed in the future, it's directly Ultimecia's fault for having Edea take over Galbadia and launch a campaign of terror across the planet. 
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NikkolasKing posted:1. I'm pointing out that if Sorceresses like Ultimecia were oppressed in the future, it's directly Ultimecia's fault for having Edea take over Galbadia and launch a campaign of terror across the planet. More rationalizations. This time loop thing is really messing you up.
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Ultimecia wanted to kompress the forums into a single post
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gigglefeimer posted:More rationalizations. This time loop thing is really messing you up. She didn't want to die = she tried to kill everybody and thus ended up dying. She says Sorceresses are persecuted = she goes back in time and launched campaigns of terror and tries to blow up kids with missiles and thus probably makes people fear Sorceresses. It's pretty basic self=fulfilling prophecy stuff. She is her own worst enemy.
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NikkolasKing posted:She didn't want to die = she tried to kill everybody and thus ended up dying.
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Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8. It is good. Very different from 7 and 9 so you won't really know if you'll like it until you give it a try.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8. No
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8. Plot is bad, but has some pretty funny dialogue and scenes every now and then. Its also probably the best looking PSX game tied with FFIX. The difficulty and systems tied to leveling up are all over the place. Im not even sure what is the intended way to play 8 because I always break it in half an hour I think you should play it
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8.
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Help Im Alive posted:Ultimecia wanted to kompress the forums into a single post Are you saying it's a SeeD's job to shitpost away then?
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Goons....swarming like lokusts.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8. Don't play it. It sucks a lot. I love it but it suuucks
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gigglefeimer posted:What I'm hearing from you is rationalizations for oppressing a certain group of people. We had the Salem Witch Trials in our own world, dude. the salem witch trials would have been more understandable if witches were real and regularly went around enslaving people with their magic powers
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cock hero flux posted:the salem witch trials would have been more understandable if witches were real and regularly went around enslaving people with their magic powers
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cock hero flux posted:the salem witch trials would have been more understandable if witches were real and regularly went around enslaving people with their magic powers So you're either saying everyone in that group of people is evil, or they're not all bad but deserve to be collectively punished for the actions of a few.
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gigglefeimer posted:So you're either saying everyone in that group of people is evil, or they're not all bad but deserve to be collectively punished for the actions of a few. firing rinoa into space was a reasonable precaution
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It is understandable that the world at large hates and fears Sorceresses.
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gigglefeimer posted:So you're either saying everyone in that group of people is evil, or they're not all bad but deserve to be collectively punished for the actions of a few.
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Tengames posted:Or kill them because apparently if even a single one gets too powerful they can end time itself. Even the ones that are not evil can be manipulated by evil ones. Engaging in forever war only serves to radicalize a population, leading some to lash out and in turn provide more perceived justification for further oppression.
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cock hero flux posted:there's like 4 Sorceresses in FF8 and 3 of them became magic super hitlers There were a couple of other sorceresses in the game. They were horrible mutant snake ladies that tried to kill you. So it's really more like 8 of the 9 sorceresses were horrible murderous blights on the world.
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Im glad someone is finally standing up for the mistreatment of the antagonist of final fantasy 8, the video game.
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gigglefeimer posted:Engaging in forever war only serves to radicalize a population, leading some to lash out and in turn provide more perceived justification for further oppression. Four individuals isn't much of a population.
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Bongo Bill posted:Four individuals isn't much of a population. The entire population does not solely consist of those four.
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Attitude Indicator posted:Im glad someone is finally standing up for the mistreatment of the antagonist of final fantasy 8, the video game. I honestly never thought it was that controversial of a reading that the world's fear of witches brought about Ultimecia.
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Dec 21, 2018 22:47
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I'm more kurious what kaused Ultimekia's intense hatred of the letter "C".
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Mega64 posted:I'm more kurious what kaused Ultimekia's intense hatred of the letter "C". Was that not an attempt to give her some sort of accent, as she is from many generations in the future? I don't know how she speaks in the original Japanese.
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Open Marriage Night posted:Is FF8 any good? I’ve played 7 and 9 a bunch of times since they came out, but never had any interest in 8. No, not really. It's a lot of fun, but the systems are opaque. Have a friend explain them (or just post here) if you give it a go. FF games excel at two things: spectacle and story. 7 and 9 got the story down (and a fair amount of spectacle!) 8's story is a loving mess. Play it for the spectacle.
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Who are the two sorceresses you fight when you're traveling through time, I always thought there might be a cool story behind that just like everything else in FF8 that was never realized.
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gigglefeimer posted:Engaging in forever war only serves to radicalize a population, leading some to lash out and in turn provide more perceived justification for further oppression. Yes but enough about America's foreign policy of the last 50+ years.
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Don't forget China.
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